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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:06 AM

personally, i don't give a shit what the NRA or lapierre have to say.

fuck them.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:17 AM

1. They opted out of any real conversation decades ago

Time to relegate them to the dust heap of history and move on. We got shit to do.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:18 AM

2. Rec'd

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:22 AM

3. Today's Bright Shiny Toy...

...I'm with you, the only thing the NRA could say that would make me feel better is "we're going out of business"....and that ain't gonna happen.

Today and this weekend will be a test of the corporate media. We know the rushpublicans can't stand up to the NRA...but can the corporate media?? Will this "press conference" be a dog and pony show where the talking points fly but serious questions are danced around? Will we hear how awful Hollywood and video games are, yet not a word about how an assault rifle in the hands of a "troubled" person is all fine and good. I guess it's all in the timing, as usual.

You won't hear a single word about reasonable gun control...the leap (as we see here) is straight to "gun grabbing" and fear mongering. While the NRA is on the spot with some Americans, their words are golden to others...let's see if they turn this "press conference" into another fear fest to amp up gun and ammo sales...

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Response to KharmaTrain (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:31 AM

4. when it takes anybody an entire WEEK to respond, there is NO sincerity involved.

shame on nbc for giving this stooge a platform on meet the press

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Response to spanone (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:37 AM

6. Let 'Em Hang Themselves...

In many ways we need to see and hear what these creatins have to say...it further demonstrates the need to push for greater gun control laws and enforcement and isolate the NRA as the dangerous extremist fringe group they truly are. Keep the light on these rats...you know they want this issue to fade away and that it will never be the right time to discuss what led to the cold-blooded murder of 26 children and very productive adults. As far as "Stretch"...we pretty much know what to expect there...the NRA chose their patsy well.

Cheers...

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:33 AM

5. They will have a seat at the table whether you like it or not

The president has a choice - bipartisan solutions or a bloody partisan fight. I know what he will choose.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:45 AM

7. how about some sweet quotes from your leader mr wayne lapierre

on President Clinton: “I've come to believe he (Clinton) needs a certain level of violence in this country. He is willing to accept a certain level of killing to further his political agenda. The vice president, too. How else can you explain this dishonesty we get out of the administration?”

Over the past three years, the Obama administration and its anti-gun allies have been engaged in a silent but sophisticated long-term conspiracy to:
1. Neutralize gun owners and NRA voters as a political force in national elections, and thereby:
2. Win re-election to a second term in the White House, where they then will be immune to the will of voters and free to continue consolidating and misusing their ever-increasing power to:
3. Prosecute a full-scale, sustained, all-out campaign to excise the Second Amendment from our Bill of Rights through legislation, litigation, regulation, executive orders, judicial fiat, international treaties—in short, all the levers of power of all three branches of government.

Think about it: Before moving into the White House, Barack Obama spent his entire career proudly, publicly advancing the most radical anti-gun positions you can imagine.
He endorsed a total ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns. He opposed Right- to-Carry laws. He voted to ban nearly all common hunting-rifle ammunition.

While delivering one of the liveliest and best-received speeches at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Washington, NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said the president's low-key approach to gun rights during his first term was "a "conspiracy to ensure re-election by lulling gun owners to sleep."

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Response to spanone (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:47 AM

8. I am not a NRA member. I am a political realist

do you have any doubt that President Obama will give the NRA a voice in the process?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:48 AM

9. he's a fair minded guy. i'm sure he will. not that a lobby group deserves a seat at the table.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:56 AM

11. "Bloody partisan fight"

being another one of those unfortunate turns of phrase, given the context.

In order for anything to be "bipartisan" at least some Republicans need to agree to something new. We shall see if anyone in the GOP is willing to consider taking a more responsible position, but if the fiscal cliff negotiations are any indication, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting.

I think we're on the cusp of a major sea change re: the power of the NRA and this nation's aversion to gun control. Four years ago Democrats were told that to support marriage equality and gays serving openly in the military would doom it to minority status till the end of time. Today we're being told the same thing about responsible gun regulations.

But the times, they are a'changin'.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:00 AM

12. Did you just watch the Tea Baggers blow up Boner's plan B?

they are itching for a political show down over guns. No sea change in Congress.

The President wants this done fast and easy. They will invite the NRA to participate just like they did after the Virginia Tech shooting - makes every thing bipartisan and gives congressmen (R and D alike) in pro-gun districts political cover.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:00 PM

18. And did you see the NRA statement this morning?

These jerks have no intention of offering anything by way of a compromise, and will not support any reasonable gun control legislation. Ever. Ever ever. By their own admission they want to be no part of the solution, in fact, they are the single greatest obstacle to reasonable reform.

They do want a "national data base" on people who have sought treatment for mental illness. Yeah, real civil libertarians, the NRA.

There will be no "fast and easy" solution to this problem, since the fastest and easiest solution--banning assault weapons--is a red line for the NRA. And that's just the first step. If the NRA leadership won't even CONSIDER such a ban, how will we ever get anywhere?

Some issues are beyond the usual political games. The right of our children to live being one of them. If the NRA, the GOP, and the Teabaggers don't see that (and clearly they don't) they will all be consigned to political oblivion. As well they should be.

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Response to spanone (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:53 AM

10. Actually I do want to hear what they have to say. Does anyone know what time the pres conf is??..

I'm not expecting to hear anything constructive. But it'll be entertaining to see how they try and thread the needle. Fuck them indeed!

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Response to Little Star (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:14 AM

13. Because I recognize the power they have/have had, I have to pay attention

I like fucking too much to say 'Fuck them.' I say UNfuck them.

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Response to duhneece (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:25 AM

16. lol

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Response to duhneece (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:25 AM

17. well, there is THAT!

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Response to Little Star (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:20 AM

14. I agree - I cannot wait to hear what bs they are going to spew! I want to know the time too.

I have some last minute shopping to do today and I would arrange the day around the presser.

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Response to jillan (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 10:24 AM

15. Just heard the presser is 11am est.

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