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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:46 PM

B-I-N-G-O, David Kurtz calls the Boehnner Cliff Fiasco Just Right

The likely truth is that John Boehner never had the votes to cut a deal with President Obama. Any deal. Not a grand bargain of deficit reduction. Not a piecemeal deal that might have lessened the blow of all the Bush tax cuts expiring on Jan. 1. Nothing.

If thatís true, as I strongly suspect it is, then, yes, the last six weeks since the election have been a tour de force of kabuki theater. His Plan B was probably, in that scenario, his last ditch effort to escape this fiasco without having to admit that he never had the votes. Now that has failed, too, after a desperate 11th hour attempt to cajole, whip and bludgeon his Republican Members into voting for it.

It is easy to overreact to these things in the moment, to overread them. But Speaker Boehner just put it all on the line. The entire nation was watching, and he was exposed. He knows it. His conference knows it. Anyone left in Washington who had doubts about this speakerís clout now knows it, too. In a parliamentary system, he would resign and his party would elect a new leader. We donít do it that way here Ö usually. But itís hard to see how Speaker Boehner continues from here ó or why he would want to.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/does_a_speaker_survive_this.php?ref=fpblg

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Reply B-I-N-G-O, David Kurtz calls the Boehnner Cliff Fiasco Just Right (Original post)
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cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #1
DemoTex Dec 2012 #2
underpants Dec 2012 #3
DemoTex Dec 2012 #4
sheshe2 Dec 2012 #5
madokie Dec 2012 #6
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #8
Eddie Haskell Dec 2012 #20
theKed Dec 2012 #21
randome Dec 2012 #28
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #23
Texin Dec 2012 #7
Plucketeer Dec 2012 #10
ewagner Dec 2012 #22
Kyad06 Dec 2012 #25
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #9
JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2012 #11
leftstreet Dec 2012 #12
bigtree Dec 2012 #13
bucolic_frolic Dec 2012 #14
closeupready Dec 2012 #15
alfredo Dec 2012 #16
marble falls Dec 2012 #17
RickFromMN Dec 2012 #18
greyghost Dec 2012 #19
LiberalFighter Dec 2012 #24
Kyad06 Dec 2012 #26
MarianJack Dec 2012 #27

Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:58 PM

1. .

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:06 PM

2. Washington weather: Drunk Front moving in tonight

Boehner loses to Cantor coup. It's gonna get damn drunk in DC tonight.

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:10 PM

3. The far RW hates Cantor too. I don't see him surviving if Boehner doesn't

Paul Ryan?

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Response to underpants (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:11 PM

4. Oh my eyes!

I think you nailed it. That gets their little boy in the line-of-succession for POTUS.

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Response to underpants (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:13 PM

5. Oh I shudder when I hear the little Munsters name!

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Response to underpants (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:16 PM

6. Now that is scary

but then again maybe not as all boy munster has is his abs

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:09 PM

8. With respest to what

boehner's next move should be, a guy on NPR offered boehner the sage advice of "The great Philosophy, Bluto Blutarsky (of Animal House fame) ... 'Drink, drink heavily!'."

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:48 AM

20. His next move may be to switch parties.

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Response to Eddie Haskell (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:06 AM

21. Nobody likes

a drunken party crasher!

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Response to Eddie Haskell (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 07:04 PM

28. I think we may start to see some GOP defections soon.

Boehner could very well be one.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:01 AM

23. He doesn't already do that?

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:31 AM

7. Nah. The teabaggers won't go with Ryan. He's a loser. The election proved that.

Cantor has really been the face of the extreme (maybe not the most extreme) of the RWers for the past two years. I've always gotten the sense that he's been working subversively behind the scenes to undermine any moderate agenda or consensus-building that Boehner has tried to achieve. His cat that ate the canary shit-eating grin last evening was pretty telling IMO. I'll be shocked as hell if Boehner doesn't return after the holidays and announce that he's not going to mount a campaign to retain the Speakership. I'll be even more shocked if the RWers don't mount an epic pitched battle to unseat him if he doesn't. It's pretty apparent that he's lost control and the confidence of his caucus.

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Response to Texin (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:11 PM

10. I figured I wouldn't be alone in that observation

That devlish smirk on Cantors face as he strode quickly down that corridor was unbridled giddiness seeping thru to his face muscles. It was evidence of the elation he had bubbling in his head over having slain the speaker without ever giving evidence of his hopes of doing so. Think about it....... given what had JUST happened, what other reason would he have to smile???

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:17 AM

22. Agree with you and Texan

that-$hit-eating grin said it all...he's a swarmy little SOB!

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Response to Texin (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:02 PM

25. Yeah Cantor is his Brutus

Bitch face is just waiting to take over

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:25 PM

9. I hope the Republican Party stays in disarray until after the 2014 election if not forever.

We really don't need that short-sighted, stupid, ignorant bunch in Congress.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:15 PM

11. Yeah, but then the centrist Republicans will switch to the Democratic party

and then the Democratic Party moves even more to the right.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:17 PM

12. The Dem party might be too far right for centrist Repubs n/t

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:25 PM

13. they can only move closer to the nutty center of their party

That should prove to be their absolute undoing. Only so many of them can keep their inner idiot at bay.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:59 PM

14. Murkier and Murkier

It becomes very difficult to see how a budget will be passed even
in the new Congress.

Democrats will still need 17 or so GOP votes to pass anything, and
those 17 or so will have to have something to vote for it. Military
cuts, higher taxes on millionaires won't exactly float their boat.
They want entitlement cuts.

Or the Democrats could just cave to the majority, though I think
they have finally figured that one out.

I continue to think the Fiscal Cliff would be a good thing. Let's
see how that goes over, and maybe it will motivate.

We may experience gridlock for awhile, but we cannot continue
the absurdity where the House GOP dictates bills, the Senate
MINORITY dictates passage, and the President caves.

THAT is the tyranny of the minority. Anti-democracy.

Oh wait .... that's what the GOP believes in. Government
of the LEADERS, by the LEADERS, for the LEADERS.

Elitism, the same thing RUSH always blamed on Democrats.
Hypocrite.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:22 PM

15. K&R

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:48 PM

16. Cantor is undermining Boehner because he wants to be speaker, or Plan B didn't generate enough

cash for Cantor's stock portfolio.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:04 PM

17. Plan B was an effort not to lose his leadership position. I pray they hand it over to whoever is ...

the biggest teabilly in the room. Some who doesn't have a clue of how Congress can be worked.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:26 PM

18. I don't see any legislation pass until 2015, when hopefully, voters vote the Republicans out.


Speaker Cantor will dig in his heals. He will block anything and everything.

I hope President Obama can do something when we go over the raising the debt cliff.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:24 AM

19. Boner is a...

prime example why alcoholics should not be is any position of power.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 11:04 AM

24. Boehner's problem is that they are working under the Hasert rule

Don't pass anything they can't pass on their own. Maybe they might have gotten it passed with the help of Democrats but that would had been a risky move. It probably would undermine the strength of the Republicans by relying on their help.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:04 PM

26. Can you imagine how bad it will get....

If Bitch Face and Yurtle are the leaders of the Repukes ?

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Response to cthulu2016 (Original post)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:56 PM

27. john boner =...

...weakest House Speaker EVER!

PEACE!

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