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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:18 PM

It appears the leaked offer may have put a nail in chained CPI's coffin.

Until now, a lot of people didn't understand its impact. It has been exposed as a benefit cut (http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022034756).

Even Boehner was afraid to put it to a vote, likely because he didn't want to take ownership of it.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/20/1172424/-Boehner-Plan-B-does-not-include-chained-CPI-Take-it-off-the-table

No one wants it. Social Security can be strengthened by lifting the cap.

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Reply It appears the leaked offer may have put a nail in chained CPI's coffin. (Original post)
ProSense Dec 2012 OP
The Magistrate Dec 2012 #1
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #3
xtraxritical Dec 2012 #23
a geek named Bob Dec 2012 #24
PragmaticLiberal Dec 2012 #34
Skraxx Dec 2012 #52
elleng Dec 2012 #2
liberalmuse Dec 2012 #12
elleng Dec 2012 #15
leftyohiolib Dec 2012 #37
elleng Dec 2012 #49
JHB Dec 2012 #25
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #4
Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #7
bread_and_roses Dec 2012 #50
marew Dec 2012 #60
Liberalynn Dec 2012 #58
DisgustipatedinCA Dec 2012 #5
elleng Dec 2012 #16
bluemarkers Dec 2012 #40
MissMarple Dec 2012 #42
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #46
forestpath Dec 2012 #51
marew Dec 2012 #59
AndyA Dec 2012 #6
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #27
groundloop Dec 2012 #35
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #55
MissMarple Dec 2012 #43
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #48
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #56
ms liberty Dec 2012 #36
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #8
starroute Dec 2012 #9
limpyhobbler Dec 2012 #10
liberalmuse Dec 2012 #11
Cosmocat Dec 2012 #22
yardwork Dec 2012 #13
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #14
socialist_n_TN Dec 2012 #17
freshwest Dec 2012 #54
Whisp Dec 2012 #18
Left Coast2020 Dec 2012 #19
Curmudgeoness Dec 2012 #28
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #20
Coyotl Dec 2012 #21
neverforget Dec 2012 #26
drm604 Dec 2012 #29
Little Star Dec 2012 #30
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #31
Ineeda Dec 2012 #32
groundloop Dec 2012 #38
Hydra Dec 2012 #33
BainsBane Dec 2012 #39
Cleita Dec 2012 #45
forestpath Dec 2012 #53
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #41
Whisp Dec 2012 #47
Cleita Dec 2012 #44
Scurrilous Dec 2012 #57

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:21 PM

1. Hopefully, Ma'am

I would like to think we are so good it was planned that way....

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:23 PM

3. At this point, I'm thinking that

 

our president maker a 9p Go Master look like a drunken frat boy on Seconal.

He think President Obama's going for the whole board.

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Response to a geek named Bob (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:51 PM

23. I'm convinced that President Obama knew that Boehner could not sell the offer to the Congress

 

so he put a little cut to "entitlements" in there to make the RepubliCONs look even more intransigent and garnering them the "blame" for the fiscal cliff.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:52 PM

24. Like I said...

 

I am NEVER playing power, chess, or GO against President Obama.

The contrast between President Obama and Shrub the younger is stunning.

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Response to xtraxritical (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:25 PM

34. I considered this possibility as well.

Hopefully, that was the case.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:16 PM

52. Yes, Obama Is That Good. Some Groups and Types of People Are COMPLETELY PREDICTABLE

You can predict how they will react with almost near certainty. This in turn makes them very easy to manipulate.

I think we just witnessed a master manipulation.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:22 PM

2. Methinks that someone's playing chess.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:00 PM

12. My Experience?

Just when I start to get down on President Obama, not understanding what he is doing, he comes through. Every single time! Let's be honest, as much as we loved Pres. Bill Clinton, he kinda screwed us royally on a few things (NAFTA, Glass/Stegall, Welfare reform, etc.) It's unfortunate that President Obama, a truly great President, is the one who is expected to clean up all the shit dropped on us since Reagan.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:06 PM

15. With you, muse.

Very unhappy about trashing President Obama gets at DU, and never hugely supportive of President Clinton; he has done very well since the end of his tenure, however.

Thanks

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:32 PM

37. Bill Clinton, he kinda screwed us royally - let us mot forget then 1996 telecom bill that

privatized the air waves

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Response to leftyohiolib (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:06 PM

49. Right, and a few other things.

Won't name, don't want to give DUers more excuses to 'ignore' me.

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Response to elleng (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:55 PM

25. Then someone needs to tell Nancy Pelosi to not consider it "strengthening" SS

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:24 PM

4. What nail? President's spokesman said earlier today the deal was still Boehner's to accept.

Period.

PB

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:27 PM

7. But the president & the "president's spokesman" know that Boehner can't accept it.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:10 PM

50. He opened a door that should have remained closed - and for no good reason

He "put SS on the table." It was supposed to be OFF the table.

And - he's gotten major pushback, including from the AFL-CIO and every other organization I can think of - I know my mailbox was overflowing with petitions, calls to contact the WH/Congress from every list I'm on - and that's a lot of lists.

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Response to bread_and_roses (Reply #50)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:56 PM

60. Obama DID open the door! Unfrigging believable! N/T

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Response to Poll_Blind (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:41 AM

58. Exactly

they raised the possiblity on MSNBC Last Word that if they could get a coalition of PUKES loyal to Boner and enough DEMS to go along with PRES plan it could still pass. Boner only said no because he had to try it his way first.

I won't be happy till we know The PRES plan is off the table as well to and we start from scratch with no SS on the table at all as was promised.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:24 PM

5. If this is "chess", I don't think it's right for the administration to have scared seniors with it

Contrary to those who want to praise the president for his super-duper tricky negotiation skills, I don't think the President did senior citizens any good by letting them believe for several news cycles that this chained CPI was going to go through.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:07 PM

16. I'm a senior.

We can take it.

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Response to elleng (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:37 PM

40. I was hoping it would turn out this way

but he sure scared the c r a p out of me. (but my hubby just got laid off, so I'm no edge anyway)

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Response to elleng (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:46 PM

42. We can take it, there is no other honorable choice.

Good for you, ellen! I think it's all a bluff by the goppers. They have nothing but a bluff and a prayer to Mammon.

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Response to elleng (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:52 PM

46. Bingo! We're veterans, we've been through a lot of political wars over the years. nt.

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:14 PM

51. I feel the same way. I think it's just a matter of time before Obama succeeds in cutting SS.

 

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Response to DisgustipatedinCA (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:54 PM

59. Exactly!

It it for sure and always off the table? Has that been promised?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:26 PM

6. Or, perhaps Congress can pay back the money they've looted from SS over the years

At one point, I heard it was over $2.5 Trillion. That might help for a while.

Before any benefits are touched, everything that has been taken out to balance the budget, fund wars, or whatever should be put back. It's a slap in the face of every American citizen to not do that first!

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Response to AndyA (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:04 PM

27. We need a war tax. A tax to pay for Bush's war. They have to be paid for some day.

Those of us that let it happen are responsible. Dont leave it for future generations.

In fact if we instituted a special tax to pay for the current wars, I think they would end a lot sooner.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:28 PM

35. Ya' know, that's not such a bad idea...

That would be upfront and honest, letting people know what their money is going for. PLUS, once the war was paid off the war tax would go away.

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Response to groundloop (Reply #35)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:16 PM

55. LOL. Very good. "Once the war tax is paid off the war tax will go away". Perfect. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:47 PM

43. Brilliant!

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:05 PM

48. Let's just tax the decision-makers and arms producers who get us into a war because....

...the rest of us either don't know exactly what we're being brainwashed to do, or don't have the political power to stop it.

In addition to taxing the decision-makers and the arms producers, I would also pass a law requiring the decision-makers who get us into a war to have to spend a year on the front lines. That might make our "leaders" a lot more reluctant to jump into something in which they have a lot of financial and personal skin in the game.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #48)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:18 PM

56. I thought about that but decided that the idiot Americans that allowed

their government to go to war to enrich the arms dealers are responsible and should pay. Maybe the next time some idiot politician tries to lie them (us) into a war, we will object a little stronger.

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Response to AndyA (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:29 PM

36. Yeah...no one ever talks about that...

That was the whole point of us having a surplus, was to pay back SS. Al Gore wanted to put it in a lock box so we' d have it when we needed it. The GOP laughed at the analogy and screwed us out of it with tax cuts and wars of choice. I think we need to be talking about it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:35 PM

8. "No one wants it." That's what I've been saying.

There is bipartisan dislike among voters on anything which resembles a cut to SS benifits.

Hopefully by raising our voices this can be killed before it's ever fully formed.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:38 PM

9. More people need to know it's also a backdoor tax increase

It would also be applied to the annual adjustment in tax brackets, meaning that more people would get kicked into higher brackets even if their income is barely keeping pace with inflation.

Tell that to the tea partiers and maybe they'll start to understand.

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Response to starroute (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:43 PM

10. yep

we haven't heard as much about this bit but it is also significant

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:57 PM

11. How hard is it? Leave SS the F*ck Alone!

Good Lord.

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Response to liberalmuse (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:50 PM

22. Absofuckinglutely

Benefit cuts increase as you get older.

What is fucking wrong with these people?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:02 PM

13. Good.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:05 PM

14. Chained CPI for Social Security is terrible policy

I'm so glad that this got out there, and that it will be very difficult for anybody of any party to vote for it after the offer leak.



(Job well done, ProSense!).

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:10 PM

17. He might have been "playing nine deminisional chess", but.......

the outrage shown by people about the trial balloon had to have helped.

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:30 PM

54. Leaks like that one are meant to cause an uproar. *cough, cough*

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:15 PM

18. the Jane Hamshers here there and everywhere will be thoroughly pissed

that seniors won't be eating obama brand cat food.

yes, they will be angry about this. he's supposed to be evil to the core.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:40 PM

19. I'm fairly confident that the President and WH staff have received an earfull today.

Likey every phone call has been "keep your %$#@* hands off SS. Or something to that effect.

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Response to Left Coast2020 (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:07 PM

28. They did from me.

I sent an email and made a phone call. I said that to even think that a Democratic president would be involved in weakening a successful safety net disgusts me. I also said that President Obama should get in front of the people of this country and draw a line in the sand saying that there will be no changes under his presidency, period.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:41 PM

20. Better tell that to Nancy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer, they don't seem to have

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:44 PM

21. Get rid of the cap, NO CAP. Do the math, FCS!

Make the Rs vote up or down on it!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:01 PM

26. Lift the cap!

Screw the Chained CPI

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:07 PM

29. He brought it up. Everyone learned what it is. Now they all hate it and reject it.

Democrats hate it because it's a bad idea. Republicans hate it because it's Obama's idea.

So now the Republicans can't propose it. He's taken it away from them.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:08 PM

30. Gawd, I hope your right. k&r

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:08 PM

31. We do NOT need to touch Social Security at this time at all! It's not part of the budget problem!

It's solvent!!!!

This is simply a Republican demand.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:14 PM

32. Yes! Great news. Raise the cap.

I've often wondered why there has been so little discussion about such a common sense solution, both in the media and by politicians. But raising the cap will raise taxes on the $107K to $250K range, which was promised not to happen. I wonder if I should start yelling about that broken promise now. Nah -- too early.

Thanks ProSense. I've always appreciated your posts.

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Response to Ineeda (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:33 PM

38. Personally I think anyone making over $107K could afford it

I hit that cap one time and thought I was hot shit 'cause I had an extra 7% on my paychecks. Honestly it wouldn't have mattered had they continued taking that out.

But, hey, if nothing else eliminate the cap for people making over $250K.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:18 PM

33. Let's hope the outrage works

It stopped even Bush when he tried for privatization.

And as much as I intensely do not like Boehner, he knows a pile of nuclear waste when he sees one- he wants the President to take full ownership of it.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:36 PM

39. Why should there be a cap at all?

I've never understood that.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:51 PM

45. It should actually be in reverse. Poor people at or near the poverty level shouldn't

have to pay. Okay just so the billionaires don't whine, give them that deduction before we start collecting FICA.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:16 PM

53. +1

 

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:42 PM

41. Let us pray. nt

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:53 PM

47. or as some say: let us prey, on Obama's integrity. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:49 PM

44. Let's keep our fingers crossed. This would be devastating to seniors if passed. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:54 AM

57. K & R

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