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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:42 PM

 

To the John Kerry fans- Scott Brown wallops all male candidates for Special Senate Election by 17pts

Unless Mrs. Kennedy or Ted Jr. run, we are toast and lose a senate seat, thanks to the massive ego of John Kerry and his eagerness to give us his seat that the voters entrusted their votes to him keeping. They certainly did not elect him to let Brown take that seat.

Please NO to Markey, NO to Capuano, NO to Lynch NO to Coaxley, NO to Meehan

It must be Vicky. I don't know if Teddy Jr. is strong enough and it's the decade of the woman anyhow, and should be Vicky.

Seems like the worst possible choice would be Markey. We don't need yesterday, we need tomorrow. He never ran a race he was challenged in, and I don't see him able to collect the money necessary to stand 1/2 a chance.

It's going to be a masacre.


http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/12/20/brown_would_be_heavy_favorite_in_special_election.html

A new WBUR poll in Massachusetts finds defeated Sen. Scott Brown (R-MA) is in a strong position should there be a special election to fill Sen. John Kerry's (D-MA) seat next year with a favorability rate of 58% to 28%.

Said pollster Steve Koczela: "We matched him up theoretically against (U.S. Reps.) Ed Markey, Mike Capuano, Steve Lynch and (former U.S. Rep.) Marty Meehan, and in each one of those cases, he led by between 17 and 19 points."

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Reply To the John Kerry fans- Scott Brown wallops all male candidates for Special Senate Election by 17pts (Original post)
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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:44 PM

1. How about Rachel Maddow?

She's a Mass resident and incredibly smart! She'd be my choice.

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Response to jemsan (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:33 PM

90. It seems like MA is really biased against female politicians

I'm an outsider, but it seems that they usually pick the man--a democratic man if available, but if not, then they go with the republican.

This time around, it appeared that Brown would win again, but the DNC, rape, and 47% comments forced MA to put the sexism aside.

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #90)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:26 PM

107. Wtf?

We just elected Senator Elizabeth Warren!

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #107)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:02 PM

110. She was way behind until external circumstances forced people to wise up

If there isn't a sexism problem there, why did MA--a blue state--give Sen. Kennedy's seat to a repub in the first place? Why did Romney, the least charismatic man on earth, win against Shannon O'Brien in 2002?

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Response to ecstatic (Reply #110)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:31 PM

111. Senator Warren was never way behind

Scott Brown was elected in a low-turnout, special January election in which the Democrats ran a weak campaign with a weak candidate, figuring that Coakley would win on the sentiment of replacing Teddy Kennedy.

There were many other factors at play in the Romney elections than the gender of the candidates.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_gubernatorial_election,_2002#General_election

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:45 PM

2. I just posted the Politico article on the same poll

and it was attacked

truth is that there are other candidates that are just as good or even better than Kerry

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:47 PM

3. Better than Kerry for what?

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Response to blm (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:53 PM

7. to head State. I wanted Samantha Power

 

but Kerry must have made a good pitch for that appointment.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:58 PM

9. So, you really had no idea that Kerry's ALREADY BEEN on many diplomat missions for WH and State Dept

the last 4 years? Kerry's been doing the heavy lifting in the most volatile regions. His quiet diplomacy and effectiveness made him the obvious choice. Rice was never Obama's first choice.

Amazing how the media can control the perceptions of so many.

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Response to blm (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:03 PM

12. So Hillary Clinton was just a figurehead?

 

Look, Kerry is more than qualified. I am not debating this fact.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:12 PM

14. She and WH relied on Kerry to handle truly volatile regions. It was smart of her to do so.

I am not picking on you, I'm just making a point that many Democrats don't even know the lay of the land on this debate because the corporate media has rarely made mention of the fact that Kerry was the one doing most of the heavy lifting in those regions the last four years. And it's a credit to Kerry that he has been so quiet and respectful of the process.

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Response to blm (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:21 PM

37. chief bottle washer

really?

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:37 PM

44. Really. Better than Kerry for WHAT?

Say what you mean.

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #53)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:14 PM

60. Maybe you should answer simple questions.

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Response to blm (Reply #60)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:47 PM

73. why should I answer any of your questions

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #73)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:48 AM

82. If you can't answer simple questions then why post uninformed declarations you can't back up?

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:47 PM

4. Please provide the names of a few you believe are...

"just as good or even better than Kerry."

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:22 PM

38. I have in other threads

and was attacked

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:56 PM

41. Well, that answer sure helps me to decide whether I agree with you or not...

thanks for nothing.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:57 PM

50. I don't give a rat's ass if you agree with me or now

sorry

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:18 PM

63. Then why the OP? Isn't this...

a discussion forum?

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #63)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:49 PM

74. it is

and I have nothing to discuss with you

go bother someone else

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #74)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:38 AM

81. Cool. Welcome to DU! n/t

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:42 PM

45. So, you're afraid of getting attacked here and fearful that Dems are gonna lose in Mass.

So, now we know you are afraid, and fearful, and that you have little knowledge of the last 4 years of Kerry's diplomatic missions for WH and State Dept. OK - so what else do you want to let us know about yourself, dl?

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Response to blm (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:58 PM

51. you know nothing about me and don't pretend you do

so please keep any comments to yourself about me



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Response to dlwickham (Reply #51)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:15 PM

61. You demonstrate your fearfulness in your posts.

If you're not fearful and just posing as fearful, then that would make you something else then, wouldn't it?

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Response to blm (Reply #61)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:50 PM

75. stalk much?

get over it

leave me alone

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #75)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:50 AM

83. You targeted Kerry in an incendiary way and can't back it up. Look in the mirror.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:51 PM

5. Polls in 2011 and 2012 were pushing the idea that Scott Brown was unbeatable in 2012.

Good thing some Dems didn't allow their knees to shake.

BTW - Both Kerry's and Obama's political teams will be tapped to keep that seat. Shaky-kneed Dems need not apply.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:53 PM

6. Poll: Scott Brown In Great Shape Heading Into 2012 Reelection Campaign

In hypothetical 2012 contests, Brown led Rep. Mike Capuano (D) 51% to 38%, and topped Elizabeth Warren — the Harvard professor and liberal favorite for her support of stricter financial regulation — by a comfortable 51% to 34%. And though Capuano and Warren don’t have Brown’s name recognition, that’s not the only reason he holds such strong leads on them. Over half of all respondents (52%) said Brown deserves to be reelected.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/poll-scott-brown-in-great-shape-heading-into-2012-reelection-campaign.php


...8 months later...

Elizabeth Warren wins Massachusetts Senate race
Democrat Elizabeth Warren defeated incumbent Republican Senator Scott Brown by a margin of 8 percentage points, becoming the first woman to represent Massachusetts in the US Senate.

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/2012/2012/11/07/elizabeth-warren-wins-massachusetts-senate-race/ExNglNyCyCG4PlCP9gZLGP/pictures.html

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:57 PM

8. I think Teddy Kennedy Jr. could pull ahead pretty quickly if he became a serious candidate.

There are still a lot of dems who really don't like Scott Brown and have long memories.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:59 PM

10. A hypothetical poll at this point doesn't tell us a whole lot IMHO.

Let's a.)See John Kerry formally nominated b.)See John Kerry formally confirmed for the position c.)See who's actually going to be running for his vacated seat (if actually vacated in the first place) d.) See if Scott Brown is indeed running for his vacated seat

There were several points last year where it looked like Brown would cruise to re-election and Warren was being portrayed as maybe even a little too "radical". Well, we all know what happened................

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:06 PM

13. True, however if there is a special election the Conservatives will have great turnout

not to mention a ton of money from the entire nation.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:16 PM

15. The Dem candidate will have Kerry's Mass team AND Obama's GOTV working for him.

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Response to blm (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:32 PM

17. If they run another Martha Coakley, that won't matter.

The Dem's are only so reliable during off year and special elections. Hopefully this is a case of once bitten twice shy, because I for one do not want to see history repeated.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:36 PM

19. Mass Dems will NOT stay home like they did in 2010. Obama is far more engaged now than in 2010 and

Obama's GOTV will be fired up right after the inauguration, and Kerry's political team in Mass is tough and experienced.

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Response to blm (Reply #19)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:23 PM

39. if you can predict that

can I have the lottery numbers for Saturday?

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:35 PM

43. Some of us Dems do NOT have the fearfulness gene that you have. We believe in action not whining.

Now, if you want to go to Mass forum here and tell them you have no faith in their intelligence and believe they will not mobilize against Brown in a special election, please proceed.

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Response to blm (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:40 PM

49. They let a playgirl model take Teddy's seat. They earned a bit of skepticism.

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #49)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:13 PM

59. That was then, this is now.

No way will it happen again. Kerry has a machine, Obama has a GOTV machine.

I think they can protect this seat.

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Response to blm (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:00 PM

54. whining?

and speaking of having no faith in someone's intelligence...

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #54)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:16 PM

62. Yes, whining. If you are not just whining, then what are you doing, dl?

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Response to Exultant Democracy (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:09 PM

48. You do have a point I suppose

We just need to watch such a race very cautiously and make sure we GOTV. If this election proved anything, it proved that "big money" CAN be beat.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:01 PM

11. "To the John Kerry fans "?

"It's going to be a masacre."

Wait, are you routing for Brown because you dislike Kerry?









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Response to ProSense (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:33 PM

18. I love John Kerry...but unless a Kennedy enters the race, we are toast.

 

face it, there are NO other candidates who can win.
Markey is yesterday's news, he had his chance years ago and didn't bother.

But hell, maybe we could get Boston Lifetime Liberal Mike Dukakis to run as his term as mayor is over.
There is no bigger populist in the nation than Mike Bloomberg anyhow, and we need his 100% backing of an anti-gun, anti-NRA candidate to get gun control, and the first candidate who says that will most likely receive that backing, so another reason why Vicky is the only choice.

But I trust Prsident Obama 100% and I am sure he and Hillary45 talked about this, so they know what they are doing.

But this poll is devastating.

And Warren only won because of Obama's coattails. Brown made a few mistakes, but he was leading 90% of the time, and sad to say, if Liz had run in 2014 and not 2012, Brown would have most likely won.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #18)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:37 PM

21. Your rantings are so disconnected it's hard to imagine you're intention is sincere.

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Response to blm (Reply #21)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:43 PM

24. as Bing Crosby says in White Christmas "everybody has an angle" and yours is seeing Kerry SOS

 

that is YOUR opinion

Hope it works out.

Remember, John Kerry himself got the rule changed in 2004 so Mittens wouldn't nominate a republican.
So if a republican is named, Kerry in essence is doing what he didn't want Mittens to do

Isn't it ironic?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:00 PM

29. my 'angle' is calling out BS when I see it....

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #24)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:04 PM

32. Kennedy and the MA registered led that effort - not JK

Polls this far in advance don't make sense. First of all, the Republicans have a very limited bench and 100% of them likely pick Brown. The Democrats are divided and not yet behind a particular candidate. Even when Warren first was considered as possible - with tons of DC support - Brown was ahead of everyone.

One other thing to think of is that even if he were to win, he would likely lose again in 2014, when control of the Senate is at issue again.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:33 PM

132. That rule change was made by the Mass legislature

It was a dumb move, but find me any Mass Democrat that wasn't backing it....

Not that it matters, your lies have been refuted several times and you ignore it and just plow ahead.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:31 PM

131. "I love John Kerry"

Please. You've been blaming the guy for everything short of the Titanic sinking in this thread. Disgusting that a good Democrat is being trashed.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:27 PM

16. Why do you oppose having the best person for the job at State Dept? Obama wanted Kerry in 2008, and

gave in to those arguing for Hillary. Since then, Kerry was often sent to do much of the heavy lifting on diplomatic missions in the most volatile regions.

You keep posting anti-Kerry rants that make absolutely no sense.

Hard to imagine that you do so for constructive purposes.

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Response to blm (Reply #16)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:41 PM

22. I looked at my placemat of the Secretary of State, and sorry, I don't see him pictured in 2008

 

John kerry wanted it, he was never offered the postiion.

but those placemats prove who is and isn't in a position.

Guess that he will be added to it, but I sure as heck hope Brown isn't on the Mass. placemat of senators for a second time.

But again, I trust President Obama44 and President Hillary45 to know exactly what they are doing.

I also don't want Deval to ruin his high ratings- right now he is the singular #1 most popular person in Mass, so I don't want him to taint it. Deval can't run for reelection as Gov. and that means the Dems are going to have to also spend alot in 2014 for that race.

And its funny, I just write political, not personal, yet you guys write personal and nasty.
Why?
Liberals are for love, I am not feeling it from the Kerry people, just because I disagree with you
on a political issue.

But again, as he so doesn't want to be Senator, he should not be in the position he don't want to be in. IT's too important. IMHO
and this is an opinioin political board
of course you can have yours

if we wanted an echo chamber

we could just say

yup!
ayuh!

yup!

ayuhyup
ayuh
etc.
all day long.


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Response to graham4anything (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:50 PM

26. gfy....your placemat is giving you an incomplete story

and, as usual, you run with whatever slant you think sounds bad for Kerry.

Swiftboat much?

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Response to blm (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:02 PM

30. it should be Party before Self. It is too important.

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #30)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:12 PM

35. gfy...this country and world peace takes precedent over cowardly Chicken Little shows

from insincere actors.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #22)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:05 PM

33. Your place mat???????? what are you speaking of???

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Response to karynnj (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:25 PM

40. The placemat of the Presidents and secretary of states

 



placemat of the secretary of states

Portrait Name State of Residence Term Began Term Ended President(s) served under
– John Jay New York September 26, 1789 March 22, 1790 George Washington
1 Thomas Jefferson Virginia March 22, 1790 December 31, 1793 George Washington
2 Edmund Randolph Virginia January 2, 1794 August 20, 1795 George Washington
3 Timothy Pickering Pennsylvania August 20, 1795 December 10, 1795 George Washington
John Adams
December 10, 1795 May 12, 1800
– Charles Lee Virginia May 13, 1800 June 5, 1800 John Adams
4 John Marshall Virginia June 13, 1800 March 4, 1801 John Adams
– Levi Lincoln, Sr. Massachusetts March 5, 1801 May 1, 1801 Thomas Jefferson
5 James Madison Virginia May 2, 1801 March 3, 1809 Thomas Jefferson
6 Robert Smith Maryland March 6, 1809 April 1, 1811 James Madison
7 James Monroe Virginia April 2, 1811 September 30, 1814 James Madison
September 30, 1814 February 28, 1815
February 28, 1815 March 3, 1817
– John Graham Kentucky March 4, 1817 March 9, 1817 James Monroe
– Richard Rush Pennsylvania March 10, 1817 September 22, 1817 James Monroe
8 John Quincy Adams Massachusetts March 5, 1817 March 3, 1825 James Monroe
– Daniel Brent March 4, 1825 March 7, 1825 John Quincy Adams
9 Henry Clay Kentucky March 7, 1825 March 3, 1829 John Quincy Adams
– James Alexander Hamilton New York March 4, 1829 March 27, 1829 Andrew Jackson
10 Martin Van Buren New York March 28, 1829 May 23, 1831 Andrew Jackson
11 Edward Livingston Louisiana May 24, 1831 May 29, 1833 Andrew Jackson
12 Louis McLane Delaware May 29, 1833 June 30, 1834 Andrew Jackson
13 John Forsyth Georgia July 1, 1834 March 3, 1841 Andrew Jackson
Martin Van Buren
– Jacob L. Martin March 4, 1841 March 5, 1841 William Henry Harrison
14 Daniel Webster Massachusetts March 6, 1841 May 8, 1843 William Harrison
John Tyler
– Hugh S. Legaré South Carolina May 9, 1843 June 20, 1843 John Tyler
– William S. Derrick June 21, 1843 June 23, 1843 John Tyler
15 Abel P. Upshur Virginia June 24, 1843 July 23, 1843 John Tyler
July 24, 1843 February 28, 1844
– John Nelson Maryland February 29, 1844 March 31, 1844 John Tyler
16 John C. Calhoun South Carolina April 1, 1844 March 10, 1845 John Tyler
17 James Buchanan Pennsylvania March 10, 1845 March 7, 1849 James K. Polk
18 John M. Clayton Delaware March 8, 1849 July 22, 1850 Zachary Taylor
Millard Fillmore
19 Daniel Webster Massachusetts July 23, 1850 October 24, 1852 Millard Fillmore
– Charles M. Conrad Louisiana October 25, 1852 November 5, 1852 Millard Fillmore
20 Edward Everett Massachusetts November 6, 1852 March 3, 1853 Millard Fillmore
– William Hunter Rhode Island March 4, 1853 March 7, 1853 Franklin Pierce
21 William L. Marcy New York March 7, 1853 March 6, 1857 Franklin Pierce
22 Lewis Cass Michigan March 6, 1857 December 14, 1860 James Buchanan
– William Hunter Rhode Island December 15, 1860 December 16, 1860 James Buchanan
23 Jeremiah S. Black Pennsylvania December 17, 1860 March 5, 1861 James Buchanan
24 William H. Seward New York March 5, 1861 March 4, 1869 Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Johnson
25 Elihu B. Washburne Illinois March 5, 1869 March 16, 1869 Ulysses S. Grant
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30 Thomas F. Bayard, Sr. Delaware March 7, 1885 March 6, 1889 Grover Cleveland
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32 John W. Foster Indiana June 29, 1892 February 23, 1893 Benjamin Harrison
– William F. Wharton Massachusetts February 24, 1893 March 6, 1893 Benjamin Harrison
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– Alvey A. Adee New York September 17, 1898 September 29, 1898 William McKinley
37 John Hay District of Columbia September 30, 1898 July 1, 1905 William McKinley
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40 Philander C. Knox Pennsylvania March 6, 1909 March 5, 1913 William Howard Taft
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42 Robert Lansing New York June 9, 1915 June 23, 1915 Woodrow Wilson
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45 Frank B. Kellogg Minnesota March 5, 1925 March 28, 1929 Calvin Coolidge
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46 Henry L. Stimson New York March 28, 1929 March 4, 1933 Herbert Hoover
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51 Dean Acheson Connecticut January 21, 1949 January 20, 1953 Harry S. Truman
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52 John Foster Dulles New York January 21, 1953 April 22, 1959 Dwight D. Eisenhower
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– Livingston T. Merchant District of Columbia January 20, 1961 January 21, 1961 John F. Kennedy
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55 William P. Rogers Maryland January 22, 1969 September 3, 1973 Richard Nixon
– Kenneth Rush Florida September 3, 1973 September 22, 1973 Richard Nixon
56 Henry Kissinger District of Columbia September 22, 1973 January 20, 1977 Richard Nixon
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60 George P. Shultz California July 16, 1982 January 20, 1989 Ronald Reagan
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62 Lawrence Sidney
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63 Warren Christopher California January 20, 1993 January 17, 1997 Bill Clinton
64 Madeleine Albright District of Columbia January 23, 1997 January 20, 2001 Bill Clinton
65 Colin Powell New York January 20, 2001 January 26, 2005 George W. Bush
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Response to seaglass (Reply #23)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:48 PM

25. He could wait til 2014. Besides, someone above says he and Hillary don't get along

 

that means this is a temporary position, ending in 2016. Because if he and hillary don't get along, then she wouldn't keep him on in Jan. 2017, she will bring her own person in.

If he ran for reelection, he would be in office til 2020.

So he would be in power longer, wouldn't he?

Teddy himself was a senator (and one of the best of all time) for close to 50 years.
Once he shook the Presidential loss off, he kept at being the best of the best

Kerry only became Senior senator a few years ago. Seems like that was one of the most powerful position, more so than SOS...so I don't get why he would leave it.

How many big liberals does the senate have? Brown may be a moderate repub, but certainly not as liberal as Kerry, right?

so unless Mrs. Kennedy runs, and she has more gravitas than Tedddy Jr. at this point,
I do believe we won't win if anyone other than a Kennedy runs
(unless the impossible happens and Bloomberg himself does, but that is kind of not going to happen).

But then Bobby wasn't a NYer and became Senator in NY, so who knows.

But this shall be a major money race-perhaps 100million will be thrown in by that Sheldon what's his name in Vegas so I hope if it's not aKennedy, the candidate is major anti-gun and anti-NRA and can come up with financing.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:18 PM

36. Senior senator is NOT more powerful than Junior Senator

What counts is seniority in the Senate. Kerry was in the 12 most senior and chair of the SFRC when he was a junior Senator. Rockefeller was also in the 12 most senior and chair of the Commerce committee when a junior Senator. Both of these men were more powerful than my then senior Senator, Frank Lautenberg. Elizabeth Warren will be the senior Senor as a freshman - and she will not have much seniority at all and will not chair any committee.

Bloomberg is the mayor of NYC and oddly enough a resident of NYC.

Not to mention, it is ridiculous to say he should wait 4 years, when he would be 73 years old - and you will say he is too old.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:08 PM

66. you are fudging the facts about Lautenberg

 

Liz fans are ones who used age with Hillary in the past,til was pointed out Liz is JUST AS OLD

It's great how you bad mouth anyone not the person you have an angle with.
So why would Kerry, now has MORE seniority, would you want him to give it up?
And if Hillary asked Kerry to be VP, are you saying he would be too old to accept and you still wouldn't vote for HIllary?

and you fudge the issue with Frank Lautenberg (also MY senator), or you forget-
Lautenberg retired and was out of office a while back, and was drafted to run again when the senator running for releection got into a scandal, so he started back as a rookie, and the other time did not count.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #66)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:24 PM

67. I KNOW that Lautenberg retired and came back

I was a NJ resident then - and voted for him when he first ran and when he returned because Torrecelli was really bad. It does not change the point that power is based on how long YOU personally were there vs others on your committees. The fact is that Lautenberg is less powerful than Kerry or Rockefeller. (Elizabeth Warren will be an extreme case of a state's senior Senator with little power. McCaskill, Klobichar, and Udall of NM are two other examples of fairly junior senators who are their state's senior Senator.

I did not say anything about Hillary, who I don't think is likely to run.

I would be happy with Kerry becoming SOS or staying as the Chair of SFRC. I think he is excellent at either. I think he might become one of the truly great SOS, given that he has foreign policy expertise, exceptional skill as a diplomat, and very good understanding of Congress.

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Response to karynnj (Reply #67)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 05:12 AM

80. your words make more sense if it were 2008 and not 2012 w/regard to SOS, as to senate

 

that is the point-

a new senator(unless its Vicky or Teddy Jr. Kennedy) will not have the in to be as big as Kerry seniority wise and power wise.

Elizabeth Warren is a one issue focused candidate-so let's say all America wants her to do what she can do with regard to the Fed, the banks, Wall Street, etc.

that leaves no time for all the other important issues.
And no other senator elected will have any pull whatsoever.

(let alone if Brown gets it.)

It is too dangerous.

And again, I supported and backed Kerry for years and years, and fought off the naysayers on everything Kerry.

But I am not on this continuing that (not as someone else said that what any of us say matters, unless of course it does as you guys all seem to think otherwise you all wouldn't be campaigning so hard for a non--political job that never in my recollection had fans pushing for a candidate to be before.

We shall see, I hope for ALL our sakes, this works out to the best.
I do not trust Mass. Voters whatsoever though, and lots of them are not democrats.
Boston isn't the whole state and Brown's popularity is soaring.

So unless he is unknown to us, going to become a democrat afterward, I worry greatly this will be very bad.(let alone that he could become governor even if he lost this senate race, as he is not disappearing from politics, he has made that plain to all to see).

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #25)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:46 PM

57. Back in 2004, who were you assigning to be Hillary's Sec of State...

...for her inevitable victory in 2008?

Your alarm is noted, but you're getting ahead of reality on a few things, which strongly undercuts your point. The world is filled with early polls that went to the guy with more name recognition, but didn't translate into victory once the race got down to actual candidates.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:53 PM

27. The poll is pretty meaningless at this point

because there is no actual candidate for Brown to run against - only some theoretical candidates, some of whom are not well-known. Right now it's mainly based on name recognition, and the results are exactly what one might expect. Brown is beatable - we know that because he got beaten. And he's been in bed with the NRA, which has suddenly become not such a desirable bedfellow.

I don't think Kerry should be rejected as SoS because of Brown. If we want a capable person for this job - and he is certainly that - he should be selected, and we worry about Scott Brown after there's an actual election to win and a candidate chosen to run against him.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:55 PM

28. can't help but wonder

what the margin of error is on this poll that only asked 500 people.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #28)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:42 PM

64. easy enough: roughly 4.3% (+/-) for 95% confidence

99% confidence: +/- 5.7%
95% confidence: +/- 4.3%
90% confidence: +/- 3.6%

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Response to ann--- (Reply #31)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:05 PM

42. "suicide"?

So if Todd Akin and/or Richard Mourdock hadn't stuck their feet in their mouths and given us two Senate seats we didn't have much expectation of winning, we'd be dead now?

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Response to onenote (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:43 PM

47. The point is to GAIN SEATS whenever and wherever possible.

Not give them up.

Bake

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:08 PM

34. Drama where there is none

55 - 45 majority. Even if Brown won, 54-46, still the majority. Hardly a "massacre", and he hasn't won the seat yet.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:42 PM

46. When we lose that Senate seat, some of us will say "I told you so."

Thanks, John. Between that and Obama caving on "negotiating" the fiscal cliff, this is shaping up to be a helluva second term.

Bake

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 06:59 PM

52. As dramatically as when "Dewey defeated Truman"

"It's going to be a masacre. .."

As dramatically as when "Dewey defeated Truman"

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:19 PM

55. "thanks to the massive ego of John Kerry"


I would think the voters of Massachusetts would be most directly responsible for whomever they elect to represent them.

But maybe I'm just odd that way.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 07:28 PM

56. Jk fan who agrees with OP

I tend to agree with Graham. Kerry is much better off in his current role as head of senate foreign relations committee. He isn't limited to foreign policy, but he can engage as much as he wants. I don't see what advantage SOS would be for him. He would have to be apolitical as SOS. Btw, I have heard that he wants the job from all the pundits for years, but never from him. He would be a great SOS but it would be lousy for him and his family.

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Response to politicasista (Reply #58)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:58 PM

65. when you get right down to it,why is that our concern? Is he in it for the thank yous? Or to serve?

 

There are 100s of politicians there, and not very many have their own group.
And 99% of them are good or bad, forgotten about and whatnot.

Comes a time where an echo chamber for him or Al Gore (I consider those two equal in many things, among which neither was seated as President, but then again, neither was Mike Dukakis, neither was Walter Mondale, Mario Cuomo, Paul (we misss you) Wellstone, Howard Dean, etc.

and all I see from the Kerry big fans is negativity on anyone else
yet then you all whine if someone puts something factual up

one seat changes now, the republicans will be blasting it from the ceiiling, and if you looked at other parts of the board people jump on Obama 24/7/365...so if the seat is lost, it will fit them perfect

I just don't get it.

I still love Tom Daschle(who would make just as good a SOS, and he is not currently in office that he could lose).

Or Howard Dean.

Or anyone else NOT currently a senior senator and one with big seniority to be one of the most powerful.

Unless a Kennedy, prefably Vicky runs we will lose the seat. Because all of the other choices already either were too timid or lost to Brown in the past, and the repubs will have possibly 100 million dollars to spend.

And I don't get why you think wanting him to remain perhaps the single most powerful liberal in a senior position in the Senate is marginalizing and ignoring him.

What am i missing?

And politicians are historically told they will answer the call. However, the same thing is not doing something that would lead to a retreat of what they are after.

As he himself hasn't issued a Sherman, it means he wants this. No two ways about it.

I just hope there is something we don't know that will insure the Dems win the special election, AND then win the permanent 6 years electoin in 2014.(So that means 2 more elections.

I fear Brown will be back in office. And for what?

Is it John Kerry thinks he will win a Noble Prize? Hillary probably will, but is that what I am missing.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #65)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:32 PM

68. You just proved you know NOTHING about the State Dept or Kerry's long record that qualifies him

far and above anyone else.

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Response to blm (Reply #68)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:42 PM

69. No one says he isn't qualified. That has nothing to do with the peril he puts democrats in

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #69)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:51 PM

70. Real Democrats don't put party OVER the needs of the country and the world.

You're not credible.

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Response to blm (Reply #70)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:10 PM

71. You have an angle. John Kerry over the world. So no, you are not.

 

answer me this-

Would John Kerry if he were President, have quit the Presidency to become SOS?

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #71)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:52 AM

84. you're just one absurd post after another....

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Response to blm (Reply #84)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:08 PM

85. again, I am happy Kerry won't be senator. Last thing we need is a senator who is wanting to be there

 

of being senior senator.Pray it is a Kennedy.

And if you think Hillary45 will keep him on in 4 years, you are mistaken. She will most certainly bring in her own staff.

When People think back on the SOS during the Obama administrations, you know damn well they will think of Hillary.

BTW-why read my posts if you don't like them.

You ain't changing my mind that Kerry doing this is absurd because it is a demotion as his position now is higher up, and note, you never did.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #85)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:35 PM

91. "And if you think Hillary45 will keep him on in 4 years, you are mistaken."

"When People think back on the SOS during the Obama administrations, you know damn well they will think of Hillary. "

Wow!



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Response to graham4anything (Reply #85)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:50 PM

97. Childish nonsense.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 04:10 AM

78. The echo chamber

The echo chamber is really powerful That may doom Kerry to SOS . He is in a sweet spot where he is. He has flexibility, seniority, and personal time. SOS. Would be a massive committment. He would probably have to recuse himself from the Brown ( senate) race, he has a wife with cancer,and a new grandchild. Personal reasons have to count. They affect how he would do his job as well as what the job would do to him. I hope they find
Someone else and kerry could continue as Senate FRC chair.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:29 PM

72. There is almost a desperate plot to get Scott Brown back in the Senate.

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Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:36 PM

93. Except that Kerry was the best person for the job (nt)

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #93)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:47 PM

114. Oh, I *know*. I mean, there was NO ONE ELSE even on his list . >cough< Susan Rice

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Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #72)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:18 PM

104. If there is a plot, it would appear that President Obama is in on it

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Response to Freddie Stubbs (Reply #104)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:46 PM

113. maybe it's a concession of sorts to Wall Street, I dunno. nt

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:22 AM

76. Kerry is our best bet to keep us out of wars. You are crazy to give that up.

 

I am damned GLAD and RELiEVED Obama picked him.

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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 12:27 AM

77. Who Gives a Shit ? you seem to think DU is the real world and that you can control things through DU

there was no vote on whether Kerry should be SOS.

the only one that mattered was Obama.

what is the purpose of calling out people on this thread ? you think if people who like Kerry didn't want him to be SOS he wouldn't ? hahhahhahah

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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 05:00 AM

79. God Help America if the teaparty/repubs claim the senate in 2014, and the White House in 2016

 

as the gun things prove, keeping America safe is the #1 concern
(Even Elizabeth Warren has stated over and over during the campaign that ANYTHING is on the table, nothing off with regard to Iran, and we must fight terrorism.)

Just saying no to war means looking away, like America did during WW2 and FDR knew Americans did not want to fight and by the time America got in the war, millions died.

Sometimes war will happen and who are we to say it is good or bad.

That is why I care not even .000000000000000001% about what happened in the 1960s over there.
But do care how great things were HERE at home with all the major strides LBJ made signing the acts he signed and achieving more forward movement than any President.
Some people hate LBJ, I look at them and feel sorrow that because they sold him down the river, America got Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Bush, and will possibly get Bush again in 2016.
Retrospect shows that party division over a wedge issue caused all the issues to be lost.
(and yes, war is one of the wedge issues as are all of them. They divide, which is what a wedge is-division). No one can say whether any other president would have done any different in war back then, but it is known that other considerations probably would have stopped any other president from doing what LBJ did on Social issues.

That matters more.

And quite honestly, I am not against drones and more security.
If we can save more collateral damage by getting some a-hole anywhere in the world(including here) with a drone, so be it.

All for the sake of what??? An ego??? Bored at a job that 99% of Americans would love to have that much power???

And you certainly can't say that Hillary did not do the bestest of best jobs the first four years of the Obama administration, can you?

Nobody died on Hillary's watch and President Obama's first term. Only Jimmy Carter can say the same thing.

And while not saying this about any posters, there is a common thread going on that seems to think only a man can be SOS and not a woman.
First Rice was lynched, along with anti-Hillary words

and even in the talk about who should replace Kerry in the Senate, seems like old retreads are wanted, who never were able to win the Senate seat in the first place.And with that I see no way the seat will remain in democrats hands

and then there are posters in this very thread, who now seem to feel that the seat doesn't matter at all.
They out and out admitted it when saying, we have 56 so who the 'uck cares if we only have 55.

Yeah, when Jeb Bush becomes President and we are at war with Iran and the senate is in republican hands as they do have more ways to win seats in 2014 than we do, just based on the luck of the draw (though in 2016 it is the other way around), or worse, when Boehner is fired and some radical tea party person is the head of the house, yeah, and they own the senate, alot of good it will do John Kerry who would then in 2016 be out of a job altogether
and who knows, we may have a world war at that time. The tea party is crazy.

And what if that leads directly to a draft and millions more are lost?

You set off a spark, and in the woods it can lead to a wildfire never before seen.

Or maybe, President Obama knows what he is doing, Vicky Kennedy will become senator as maybe the goal is to clear the seat, and give the torch back to the Kennedy's that they gave him and in 2016 Vicky will go to the White House and we again shall have a Kennedy as president (or Blair House and a VP).

And maybe Vicky will give us 100% no guns on the street, with the help of Mike Bloomberg financing every democratic candidate nation wide who is anti-gun.

Funny thing is, this seat you are wanting to have for international wars, is directly relevant to the war going on in the streets of America over Guns.

And the other side wants to overturn the 13th amendment, wants to overturn Roe V. Wade, and so many other things. Directly affected by the senate and house.
Are you confident which way Scotty will vote when under pressure from his party?

Or do any of you have any inside information that the Dems will convert Scotty to a democrat?
That worked really well with Snowe and Collins, didn't it???


interesting times we live in.

All i know is- a massive ego directly caused Al Gore not to be on that placemat of the presidents and his name was Ralph Nader. Oh, it doesn't matter he said, blah blah blah.
And then there was 9-11 and the world went bankrupt thanks to Ralph Nader and the person is more important than the party.

We can only hope this doesn't directly lead to Hillary losing in 2016.

Because again, a spark becomes a major fire. And right now in America, international wars are about 100th on the list of what America cares about.

And Hillary has done a superb job, and I do hope she wins the Noble Peace Prize in 2013 for it.
Noone has ever done better that was American in this job.

(Perhaps Churchill would be a comprable person in a similiar position, but he wasn't American was he?)

I hope the scenerio about Vicky is the one that prevails.
I do NOT trust the people of Mass. to do the right thing.
After all, they elected Weld, and they elected Mitt, and they elected Scotty in recent times.
Why is it a sure thing? Obama isn't running in 2014 and there are no coattails.
And it took Vicky to help Teddy beat Mitt anyhow-that race was way too close to call back then. So don't assume Mass. will do the right thing.

Especially as Scotty already has made noise about gun control, and Mass. is next door to CT, and the voters in Western Mass are not the liberals in Boston.

God Help America if the worst scenerio comes true. God Help America if they reclaim the senate in 2014 and the White House in 2016.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:21 PM

87. "We can only hope this doesn't directly lead to Hillary losing in 2016. "

That's some weird nonsense.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #79)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:06 PM

100. re. "Sometimes war will happen and who are we to say it is good or bad":

 

It's always better for war not to happen. War is catastrophic and in the nuclear age potentially apocalyptic. The age of chivalry is past, try to accept that. War is no longer a game. It's an immense profit center for banks and industrialists, true, but there are better ways of making money. War is failed diplomacy even if powerful interests like it that way and hat's why having a statesman like Kerry on board is vitally important. And if Warren played the terrorism card that's not to her credit.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:18 PM

86. K&R

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Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:21 PM

88. Draft Ben Affleck or Matt Damon?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #89)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:47 PM

96. Unless it's a Kennedy, there are NO candidates as Nate Silver points out that can compete

 

from the Nate Silver article linked above-(and note-he does not even mention coatails of President Obama)

snippets-

For a candidate to lose an election despite a 60 percent favorability rating, at least one of two things must be true. Either the voters like his opponent even better — or they like the candidate as a person, but have too many policy disagreements with him.
The answer could determine if Mr. Brown is a favorite or an underdog should he decide to run for the Senate again. If voters saw something extraordinary in Ms. Warren, then Mr. Brown might be expected to prevail against a more mediocre opponent, as he did in 2010 against the Democratic attorney general, Martha Coakley. If instead it was something more intrinsic to the problem that any Republican faces in Massachusetts, then even a lesser-known Democrat could potentially catch up to and surpass Mr. Brown in the polls, as Ms. Warren did.



But such is the intrinsic advantage that Democrats hold in Massachusetts that Ms. Warren won the election despite having the support of only about 4 in 10 independent voters. For a Democrat to lose in Massachusetts, she must perform even worse than this — as Ms. Coakley did in 2010, when she carried only 21 percent of the independent vote. A “generic” Democrat who avoided the mistakes that Ms. Coakley made (like insulting the former Boston Red Sox star pitcher, Curt Schilling) would thus seem to stand a reasonably good chance against Mr. Brown.


There are other circumstances, however, that could work in Mr. Brown’s favor. Most important is the abbreviated timing of the special election.
In a special election campaign that lasted only a few months, the Democratic candidate would not have that luxury. And because the Democratic nominee will probably face a competitive primary, while Mr. Brown probably will not, that would give the Democratic nominee even less time to focus on the general election campaign.
Ordinarily, it is an advantage for a candidate to run as an incumbent — but Mr. Brown could potentially benefit from not having to take difficult votes in the Senate and instead drawing more distance between himself and national Republicans. This week, he stated his support for a ban on assault weapons, breaking with Republican orthodoxy.
The overall political environment is not likely to be as favorable for Democrats in the special elections as it was this November (although it will probably also not be so unfavorable to them as in 2010). And there could be an element of sympathy for Mr. Brown among some swing voters: this is a man they like reasonably well. Are they willing to reject him twice in the span of less than a year?


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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:35 PM

92. Try not to be so terrified of Scott Brown.

This is a remarkably defeatist post.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #92)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:39 PM

94. If I wanted to take advice from John Kerry fan, I would join their echo chamber. Sorry, no sale.

 

you cannot in any sense promise unless you have inside info as stated above, that Brown or another repub won't win

Weld/Mitt/Brown all have won recent statewide elections.

so Kerrybravado is just fattening twinkies, with no substance for a good diet

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #94)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:41 PM

95. Guess

who disagrees with you: Hillary's boss

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022048894

Try not to take it so hard.



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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #92)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:53 PM

98. I'd say it was DESIGNED to be that way. It's the poster's way of getting in anti-Dem talking points

while lavishing backhanded compliments at other Dems.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:00 PM

99. Really? Scott Brown had the SAME big lead over a year ago for keeping his senate seat

How did that work out.

I can't believe we're still buying into these bullshit polls.

Polls done BEFORE official candidates are selected are about as usefull as a cup made of screen material.

Essentially you have a 1 to many type polling where in the many column you have several names and you pair them up to how they would do against one person. Even if you do each many person individually against the single person you still have favoritism and popularity that will dilute the overall totals for the many. However when you compare it to the same name over and over again there is no choice but to support that person.

These polls are a BOOM to parties who want to demoralize the other side. “Look we picked all these democrats and not one of them would do well against our guy – woohoo!!”. It’s a bullshit poll and they did the same thing months before Elizabeth Warren was the official democratic candidate to run against Scott Brown. And you know what, we had the same uniniformed posts that assumed these ‘1 to various candidates (many)’ somehow carry weight in the final election.

We want to keep Kerry’s seat it’s simple – don’t run a pisspoor candidate like Martha Coakley who assumes she doesn’t have to campaign because she’s a democrat in a blue state.

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Response to LynneSin (Reply #99)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:14 PM

102. Warren only won with Obama's coattails. In a special election, there are no coattails

 

a quick well financed campaign as Brown or whomever will have, wins elections like happened with Arnold in California.
He could not have sustained a long time campaign, but in and out he was able to win without answering much of anything.

And it was President Obama's landslide victory that enabled Warren to win(along with Chicago mega financing.)

Only a Kennedy with Bloomberg anti-gun backing could achieve that amount of money

and Martha Coaxley wants to run again. GOD HELP US ALL
There is only Vicky or Teddy Jr. Kennedy. All the other candidates suck big time.
They all either tried or were scared off other times. They cannot win.

Maybe Affleck or Damon, but does anyone actually think either would give up their career and money to put their money where their mouth is?

The special election will be right around Oscar time, and Affleck is going for director of year and a possible nom for acting. Yeah, he is going to quit?

And who knows if he could win anyhow.


It takes a Kennedy or Obama to win in Mass.

And Mass is NOT all democratic. North and west is heavily republican

They not only need a candidate named soon, but they need to get on the anti-gun bandwagon immediately. Brown already has made anti-gun noise.
That is very, very important after CT.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:11 PM

101. Time to TRASH this thread. Obama picked the best person for the job - Kerry.

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Response to blm (Reply #101)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:19 PM

105. I trust Obama45 and Hillary46 to know what they are doing.

 

Getting a senator out of the way who has made it obvious he doesn't want the job, and hopefully a new one can make this situaiton work.

IF it leads to victory.

Why would someone who supposedly is a fan of the big liberal, want to censor a conversation?

Now lets get a BETTER senator, one that actually wants the job quickly

reminds me of Joe Lieberman. Hell, might as well have given him the nomination.

(the joke will be when we are at war with Iran).

I always wondered too about the connection and friendship between McCain and Kerry.
Remember, Kerry offered McCain the VP back in 2004(though anyone but Edwards, whom Kerry picked would have been better as Edwards was such a loser).

Kerry actually wanted a republican to be his VP, remember that
(see the Time Magazine end of election issue in 2004, which vividly described that.)

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #105)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:36 PM

108. Still grabbing at straws with your anti-Kerry fantasies, eh?

John Kerry: McCain Approached Me About Joining Dem Ticket in 2004
by Jonathan Singer, Tue Apr 03, 2007 at 06:30:45 AM EDT

On Monday afternoon I had the chance to speak with Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, the Democratic Party's nominee for President in 2004. During the interview, which covers a range of topics and which I will be posting later this afternoon, an item of particular interest jumped out at me: According to Sen. Kerry, it was John McCain's staff who approached his campaign about potentially filling the Vice President slot on the Democratic ticket in 2004. Take a listen to and a look at the interchange...
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Jonathan Singer: There's a story in The Hill, I think on Tuesday, by Bob Cusack on the front page of the paper talking about how John McCain's people -- John Weaver -- had approached Tom Daschle and a New York Congressman, I don't remember his name, about switching parties. And I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about what your discussions were with him in 2004, how far it went, who approached whom... if there was any "there" there.

John Kerry: I don't know all the details of it. I know that Tom, from a conversation with him, was in conversation with a number of Republicans back then. It doesn't surprise me completely because his people similarly approached me to engage in a discussion about his potentially being on the ticket as Vice President. So his people were active -- let's put it that way.

Singer: Okay. And just to confirm, you said it, but this is something they approached you rather than...

Kerry: Absolutely correct.
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For some odd reason this graham character can NOT let go of his swift boating ways.

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Response to blm (Reply #108)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:46 PM

109. Kerry asked McCain. Ask anyone it happened that way. Thankfully, Kerry is out of office now

 

He didn't want the senate seat and he lost the general election, solely because he picked a candidate (Edwards) that was worse than Quayle and equal to Palin as bad.


Articles in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2008 not to mention the Time Magazine retrospective
of Kerry losing the election in 2004 proved it.

BTW-Kerry was swiftboated because he did NOTHING to stop it for months.

A good candidate does NOT let that them get themselves defined and not answer.
That is what Happened.
(See-2012- as it was the republican loser who was defined by the winner. Winners don't let themselves get defined.)

Let's wait and see who wins the senate seat 6 months after the interim is named.
Hopefully it is soon so the financing can begin.

And hopefully the candidate will back total guns off the street and not just a small ban
One has to outtrump Brown.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #109)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 05:35 PM

112. You wish it happened that way because you're anti-Kerry. Whatsamatter, did you lose money when he

closed down BCCI? When he uncovered IranContra? When he exposed S&L problems? When he uncovered CIA drug running? You know NOTHING about Kerry - you're too busy lapping up whatever corpmedia shoves in your face. Then you spread the mischaracterizations with bizarre glee, all the while making backhanded compliments to other Dems. No wonder most don't trust your sincerity.

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Response to blm (Reply #112)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:24 PM

128. I am not a groupie for an individual and don't groupspeak for Kerry. He has hurt Mass. too with this

 

as the next senator, unless its Vicky or Teddy Jr., even if its a Democrat, will be way on the bottom as will their other senator in importance. It takes special skills to navigate in the Senate and a few years getting to know others, working WITH them as you need THEM
and only a senior senator with years experience has that ability
(Vicky would be able as she is friends with many thanks to all those years with Ted).

So that means the Democrats lose a big voice, for what???

But then Daniel Inouye they say served with 1400 other Senators in his career
Odd thing is, he only served with 10 Presidents

that says something.

But on this thread, I sure feel some disliking of women candidates.
Why is that?
(this is to noone in particular, but there is an underlying current that the SOS should only be a man's job

which is silly being that Albright and Hillary45 are perhaps the two best of all time
Nobody died on either's watch.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #128)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:43 PM

133. Quit the irrational whining. You sound like a Republican's view of Democrats.

And LOLOL at your 'not a groupie' BS.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:16 PM

103. Vicky? That "carpetbagger from New Orleans?"

The one they'll say isn't the "real widow" because of the "Catholic Church" and "Ted was mean to poor Joan and made her a crazy drunk?" I can hear the scumsucking arguments already....

The key to victory is getting out the Dem vote. Dems are BAD at voting in off years. The GOP is feeling pouty, and they WILL come out for Scotty boy, in their barn coats and pick up trucks.

We need NATIONAL MONEY, no matter who runs. We need celebrity firepower, fundraising, transfer of funds from flush PACs, and we need HELP. LOTS and LOTS of help.

Wonder why those guys didn't match him up against Seti Warren? He was putting up some OK numbers in the early days, before Liz jumped in. He's not without charm, either.

Odd that they didn't pick ANY of the primary candidates from the last field--not a damn one...

Withdrew
Marisa DeFranco, Immigration Attorney (Failed to reach 15% @ State Convention, June 2, 1012)
James Coyne King, corporate lawyer (Withdrew March 21, 2012)
Tom Conroy, State Representative for the 13th Middlesex District (Withdrew, December 12, 2011)
Alan Khazei, founder of City Year organization (Withdrew, October 26, 2011)
Bob Massie, entrepreneur and 1994 Democratic nominee for lieutenant governor (Withdrew, October 7, 2011)
Herb Robinson, engineer (Withdrew December 15, 2011)
Setti Warren, Newton mayor (Withdrew, September 29, 2011)
http://westondems.org/us-senate-democratic-primary/

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 03:23 PM

106. John Kerry asked John McCain to be his VP back in 2004...

 

as this was denied on one of these threads here is story, to refresh people's minds
Of course John McCain wanted Kerry as SOS


http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/07/mccain-asked-about-kerrys-vp-offer/

March 7, 2008, 4:18 pm McCain Asked About Kerry’s V.P. Offer
By ELISABETH BUMILLER
NEW ORLEANS — ­Senator John McCain got a question at a town hall meeting this morning in Atlanta that he never has addressed publicly before: Since Senator John Kerry, Democrat of Massachusetts, had approached Mr. McCain about being his running mate for the White House in 2004, would Mr. McCain now return the favor?

Mr. McCain, the presumptive Republican nominee, who has long been viewed by many conservatives as a Democratic sympathizer, quickly said no — and just as quickly said he had never considered sharing the ticket in 2004 with Mr. Kerry, a friend of his.

“He is, as he describes himself, a liberal Democrat,’’ Mr. McCain said, adding that he meant no offense by the term. “I am a conservative Republican. So when I was approached, when we had that conversation back in 2004, that’s why I never even considered such a thing.’’

...snip...

Everybody knows I had a conversation,’’ he (McCain)angrily told this reporter as his plane headed from Atlanta to New Orleans. “Everybody knows that, that I had a conversation. There’s no living American in Washington, there’s no one, and you know it, too. You know it. You know it. So I don’t even know why you asked.’’

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #106)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:53 PM

115. That was a McCain lie, but

what exactly is this supposed to do?

Kerry selected Obama to give the DNC speech in 2004, was his best surrogate in 2008, and was just nominated by Obama as SOS (see: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022048894)

I know you're taking this hard, but the reaction is becoming a bit weird.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #115)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:09 PM

116. John Kerry and John McCain have been best buds since day one. Everyone knows it was true

 

Kerry may flipflop, and John McCain may be misguided, but it was what it was
Kerry asked McCain, and McCain refused his overtures.

Two best buds and you know what, it would have beaten Bush in 2004

If you recall the $400 haircut guy was perhaps the sole reason Kerry lost badly to Bush in the 2004 election.

Why deny what was true?

History has recorded it, the proof was there.

Time was a reputable publication back then, and just because Kerry said it wsn't years later, well, his offer was rebuffed, therefore when one friend slapped down another, it is not surprising.

But McCain was offered and he refused it.

BTW- Ted Kennedy was Obama's best surrogate in 2008. Kerry was a backer only after Caroline Kennedy and others did.

Let's hope it works out.

Obama has made ZERO mistakes so far, so hope the streak continues.
Nobody died on Obama's watch, let's hope Kerry helps keep that string going.

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #116)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:15 PM

117. Well,

Obama has made ZERO mistakes so far, so hope the streak continues.
Nobody died on Obama's watch, let's hope Kerry helps keep that string going.

...does that include Benghazi?





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Response to ProSense (Reply #117)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:51 PM

119. I blame Ralph Nader for anything bad since Gore and Kerry are not on the placemat of the Presidents

 

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #119)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:55 PM

120. Green is the color of something and the sky is whatever color you want it to be.



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Response to ProSense (Reply #120)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:58 PM

121. Al Gore was the single biggest Green candidate for President, and Ralph Nader was a fraud

 

but keep backing Nader. There are many naderites here.

I would say the only more Green candidate than Al Gore is Mike Bloomberg, but he isn't a candidate for President

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #121)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:01 PM

122. Hillary isn't going to run.

She's retiring. How does that make you feel?



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Response to ProSense (Reply #122)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:13 PM

123. I blame John Kerry for getting John Roberts & Samuel Alito on the US Supreme Court

 

The democracy died on his watch in 2004 due to Kerry not winning a race he could have won, had he not named John the $400 Haircut guy to the VP.

Because after that loss,W Bush named John Roberts in 2005, and Sam Alito in 2006, and it is singular in importance in making Corporations personhood.

Had he ran a better campaign, Kerry would I assume, not named Roberts and Alito, a simple fact.

and if Hillary doesn't run in 2016, Jeb Bush will become 45.

I see no other candidate coming close, unless Mike Bloomberg runs as a democrat, and if he and Vicky Kennedy were to team up on the gun issue, who knows what could happen.



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Response to graham4anything (Reply #123)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:23 PM

127. Thanks for sharing, but Hillary still isn't going to run. n/t

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:17 PM

118. I see this problem but at the same time

It's not really fair to Kerry that he not be able to do something he wants to do.

Why does the same state that is replacing Kerry not try to replace him with someone sort of like him?

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Response to treestar (Reply #118)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:16 PM

125. Because Kerry changed the rules in 2004 to make it a special election, not a selection

 

Kerry thought he was going to win, and the rules changed because Mitt Romney was gov. at the time.

Trouble is, Kerry lost, but the stupid change is now law.

So instead of a total appointment, there is a temp. interim appointment, then a special election to finish Kerry's term, then another election in 2014

As you say, ego over party.

I hope as he always does, President Obama knows long term what he is doing here.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:16 PM

124. One thing at a time. I worry about losing the seat, but we

will cross that bridge. It's not enough to deny Kerry SoS.

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:20 PM

126. That's an NPR (read RW since 2000) poll, not a real poll. But I LOVE the Rachel Maddow idea!!!!! nt

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Response to graham4anything (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:27 PM

129. Okay, let's bring in another female.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #129)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 09:30 PM

130. No one can beat the awesome Scott

"Blunt Amendment supporting, still recovering from an ass kicking" Brown.

Run for the hills!


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