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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:17 PM

Why you don't see school shootings in Israel

Email sent to me from one of my Republican friends





Should you receive this photo also...

My response after doing some internet research...

This woman is armed...not to protect the children from an armed Israeli crazy hell-bent on killing people...but against possible danger from terrorist based activity.
A totally different premise to what YOU are trying to portray here.
In mainstream Israeli society, mass rampage killings are very rare...despite the prevalence of weapons...simply because the citizens are well-trained, disciplined, and don't have that knee-jerk, reactionary type of national psyche.
Actually, I'm always amazed...that with so many guns around...the Israeli public have a very minimum of weapons related events.
It's called, being a stable, mature, educated, calm, and in-control populous.
Shalom,
KEV

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Reply Why you don't see school shootings in Israel (Original post)
Playinghardball Dec 2012 OP
sufrommich Dec 2012 #1
msanthrope Dec 2012 #2
BlueStreak Dec 2012 #7
leveymg Dec 2012 #3
Xithras Dec 2012 #4
Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #5
sadbear Dec 2012 #14
ellisonz Dec 2012 #16
geek tragedy Dec 2012 #6
spanone Dec 2012 #8
Make7 Dec 2012 #9
Gregorian Dec 2012 #10
Bucky Dec 2012 #11
sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #12
RomneyLies Dec 2012 #13
ellisonz Dec 2012 #15
Erose999 Dec 2012 #17
Tierra_y_Libertad Dec 2012 #18
intaglio Dec 2012 #19
loyalsister Dec 2012 #20
Blue Belle Dec 2012 #21
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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:20 PM

1. You should also add that Israel's laws for private gun

owners would cause the NRA to declare war on our government. I would gladly accept their laws here in the states.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:21 PM

2. You want that we should have Israeli gun laws here? Okay, but don't

complain when your personal guns are confiscated.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:27 PM

7. More details on Israel's laws

I don't see where they confiscate guns, but their laws are significantly tighter than ours. This looks like a good starting point for discussion.

Applicants for a gun owner’s license in Israel are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, self-defense, hunting and sport

The minimum age for gun ownership in Israel is 27 years and 21 years if served in the military

An applicant for a firearm license in Israel must pass background checks which consider health, mental and criminal records

In Israel gun owners must re-apply and re-qualify for their firearm license every 3 years

In Israel, authorities maintain a record of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

A licensed firearm owner in Israel is permitted to possess a limited quantity of ammunition

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/israel

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:22 PM

3. That society is afflicted by another form of violent psychopathology - it's directed outwards>

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:24 PM

4. Are you familiar with Israeli security?

It was explained to me yesterday that it's standard practice in Israel to have an armed guard at or near schools, and accompanying school field trips. I was told that the practice was instituted after the Ma'alot Massacre, when several Palestinians took over a school in the 70's. After the school was stormed, they found nearly 100 people shot, including 25 dead.

I know the Ma'alot Massacre part is correct, but I'd like to verify that the rest is correct so I'm not spreading misinformation. Do the Israelis really have armed guards at all of their schools, and accompanying all field trips?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:25 PM

5. They also have Single Payer Health Care, Legal Abortion, and The morning after pill OTC.

Gays and Lesbians have served in the military or years, there, And very few people say "Merry Christmas".

Its a fucking FOX News Nightmare, there, in Israel.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:25 PM

14. +1

Should try those things before anyone compares us to Israel.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:36 PM

16. +2

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:27 PM

6. Does your friend believe Israeli Arabs should have the right to own assault rifles with high

capacity ammunition magazines?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:30 PM

8. why not arm the kids too....

dumb fucking idea

real reason:

Genuine Reason Required for Firearm Licence
Applicants for a gun owner’s licence in Israel are required to prove genuine reason to possess a firearm, for example, self-defence, hunting and sport30 31

CompareMinimum Age for Firearm Possession
The minimum age for gun ownership in Israel is 27 years and 21 years if served in the military30

CompareGun Owner Background Checks
An applicant for a firearm licence in Israel must pass background checks which consider health, mental and criminal30 records

CompareGun Owner Licensing Period
In Israel gun owners must re-apply and re-qualify for their firearm licence every 3 years32

CompareLicensing Records
In Israel, authorities maintain a record33 34 of individual civilians licensed to acquire, possess, sell or transfer a firearm or ammunition

CompareLimit on Quantity, Type of Ammunition
A licensed firearm owner in Israel is permitted to possess a limited quantity of ammunition

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:30 PM

9. Thank goodness nothing bad can happen at Israeli schools...

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:44 PM

10. Because the children are raised extremely well; cherished?

I'm only asking! So don't get uppity like I am blaming parents. Which I am.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:00 PM

11. I'll be Israelis with signs of going on a shooting spree get treatment thru socialized medicine PDQ

with the notable exception of Bibi Netanyahu, of course.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:20 PM

12. Except it's not true....

http://www.charismamag.com/blogs/standing-with-israel/16282-are-israeli-teachers-armed

"There is a picture going around the Internet I have seen about a dozen times that claims that Israeli teachers are packing heat. Well, are they? The answer is “NO.”

In the picture, the students are on an outing. While it appears that the teacher is holding a rifle, I have never seen such a thing in ten years of living here. Rest assured however, they are under armed protection. In most cases it is an armed guard or a soldier that will accompany a class, not the teacher. And my guess is that the woman with the gun is a security guard, not a teacher."

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:23 PM

13. Not even a teacher.

 

A highly trained security guard. Security guards in Israel aren't like Security guards in the US. In the US they basically hand a mall cop a gun and PRESTO, security guard. In Israel, the security guards are highly trained in tactical situations and have generally spent significant time in the Israeli military.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:30 PM

15. The Gungeon is all over this:

From 4 days ago: http://www.democraticunderground.com/117292558#post44

I could have sworn it was posted another time and hidden, but now I can't find it probably because I have a poster in the sub-thread on ignore.

Turns out your Republican friend and many of our Gungeon members have a lot in common.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:44 PM

17. Israel also has mandatory military service so people are trained to use them. Its apples/oranges

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:53 PM

18. Or Japan, or Vietnam, or Singapore, or Ireland and other countries that have tough gun laws?

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:16 PM

19. And this photo is not of a teacher

Israel Today December 17
There is a picture going around the Internet that I have seen about a dozen times today that claims that Israeli teachers are packing heat. Well, are they? The answer is “NO.” There may be some exceptions in dangerous areas like the West Bank (where five percent of Israelis live), but in general, Israeli teachers are not walking around like it’s the Wild Wild West, strapped with a six shooter. No, our teachers are not focused on shooting, but educating. That doesn’t mean, however, that we don’t protect young students.

In the picture, the students are on an outing. While it appears that the teacher is holding a rifle, I have never seen such a thing in ten years of living here. Rest assured however, they are under armed protection. In most cases it is an armed guard or a soldier that will accompany a class, not the teacher. And my guess is that the woman with the gun is a security guard, not a teacher.

Yet another NRA/gun Industry issued false story about "cuddly guns"

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:33 PM

20. I hate to say it, but religion

I think the tribal nature of the conflicts in the middle east are an example of the earliest purpose of religion. As well as the only practice that actually makes sense to me. I think an early strategy to keep families and groups together was to develop a set of common values. Gathering and telling stories were a natural way to teach about them. Cooperative artistic activities\expressions in stories, visual arts, and ceremony that brought them together facilitated cooperation and loyalty. Israel has a unity that is not present in the US.

In contrast, the founders invaded north america essentially as a tribe that has broken down. They started as a united white "tribe" and essentially wiped out several others. Freedom of religion successfully kept us together- for awhile. We were united when it was us against the British and committing genocide. But we turned against each other as we expanded and developed internally distinct "tribes." We are a country where some people actually have moral codes that are truly hateful.

We have grown and acquired differences in culture and values. We are still adapting to not having a natural unifying moral code. Consider the one about killing people. We start wars and celebrate it. A happy ending in a movie comes with killing someone - even someone within the original tribe.

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Response to Playinghardball (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:41 PM

21. Israel is a country ...

that is trying to get a toehold in a religious and geographic area that is committed to wiping out their efforts. This country lives with the reality that they will be in an attack situation at some point in their lives. The biggest threat in their daily lives is from a terrorist from another country attacking them because of their religion. They are at war and they are trained to fight an enemy. America does not share this situation. Statistically, the victims of gun crimes in America are usually killed by significant others, members of their family, or someone they know. Why the fuck to people keep thinking that presence of guns make us safer?

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