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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:42 AM

Villager George Will claims voting leads to Naziism...

"The stakes of politics are agreeably low because constitutional rights and other essential elements of happiness are not menaced by elections. Those who think high voter turnout indicates civic health should note that in three German elections, 1932-33, turnout averaged more than 86 percent, reflecting the terrible stakes: The elections decided which mobs would rule the streets and who would inhabit concentration camps."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/12/20/george-will-you-know-who-else-had-high-voter-tu/191926

Proves to me George Will has NO clue what goes on outside the Village.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:45 AM

1. Yeah this is the same tool that predicted anti-gay votes would

turn Minnesota and Washington over to Romney. Also predicted sizable victory for Romney. Said something like "when I see Mitt Romney stand at attention, I can feel pee running down my leg."

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:47 AM

2. Considering that George Will is the village idiot

I'm not sure how he can possibly know what's going on outside the village.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:48 AM

3. More recently, voting led to a Right Wing Fascist stranglehold in 2010. nt

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:49 AM

4. Isn't he getting a little senile in his old age now?

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:07 AM

5. George conveniently fails to note that in the last free parliamentary election before Hitler

took over,the Nazis received less than 40% of the vote. The German voters did not vote the nazis into power.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:11 AM

6. Charles P. Pierce takes a chunk of Will's ass out for that article

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:13 AM

7. Why can't he just spit it out - He's scared to death of democracy.


They might actually vote to *gasp* redistribute some of the wealth of this country. Horrors!

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:16 AM

8. Nothing in what is quoted in the OP says anything remotely like that

I'm sure there is something objectiobale in the article, since it's by George Will, but he quite obviously does not say that voting is bad because it leads to Nazism.

He is saying that votes on fundemental rights lead to higher turnout.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:57 AM

12. Oh good, I thought it was just me

that didn't see anything in the OP that resembled the OP title.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:17 AM

9. Don't goto the bathroom, you know who else used bathrooms

Hitler.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:17 AM

10. There are a lot of Republicans who are not big fans of democracy

They know that their economic policies will never get in through democracy. They are trying to subvert it in any way they can.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:29 PM

14. Hate to inform you...

But there are a lot of Democrats that don't particularly care for democracy either.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:22 AM

11. Eejit.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:21 PM

13. How is it shocking that the NSDAP gained a lot of its power through votes? It did.

And while I think his "point," such as it is, is bathed in histrionics, you could theorize that high-stakes elections draw out higher turnout. Since elections in countries with faltering economies are by definition high stakes, as the country is literally running out of money to pay for the "guns and butter" that people have come to expect, you'd expect high turnout. Not sure why he's turning this into an ode to vote suppression.

And yes, the Nazis never got a 50% vote, but they went from political irrelevance to being the most powerful party in the Reichstag in a matter of a couple years. Edit: They went from 2% of the vote in 1928 to 37.3% of the popular vote in 1932.

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Response to Archae (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:32 PM

15. ...And keep in mind that George Will is arguably *the smartest* of all

RightWing pundits. That says a lot, doesn't it?

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Response to LeftinOH (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:39 PM

16. Well, I don't see what we could say without looking at further data points.

Germany had massive turnout in the late 20s and early 30s as its political and economic system shattered. Hence, turnout may have been driven up by people desperately trying to preserve what little they had. For that matter, it was also driven up by the sheer lunacy of the parties: If you were a voting SPD member, even if you weren't enthused by your candidate you sure as hell weren't going to let Hitler's lunatics get voted in unopposed.

However, I'd be curious to see voting levels compared to overall levels of societal stress on a democracy. For example, US voter turnout peaked at 81% of voting age population in 1860, often thought of as a high-stress period of American politics.

Edit: Correction, US voting levels peaked at 82% of V.A.P. in the 1876 election, which occurred during Reconstruction.

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