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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:43 AM

Stop World War for Oil and Empire and Budget Dilemma Solved

How NAZIs think:

"Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat." - Hermann Goering

How free people think:

"We have nothing to fear but fear itself." - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Why our elected officials have such a hard time choosing between the two is a real baffler.

What do you think? Guns or Butter? Neither or both or a new recipe?

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Octafish Dec 2012 OP
newfie11 Dec 2012 #1
Octafish Dec 2012 #2
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #3
newfie11 Dec 2012 #4
Octafish Dec 2012 #5
newfie11 Dec 2012 #6
G_j Dec 2012 #7
Octafish Dec 2012 #8
G_j Dec 2012 #9
closeupready Dec 2012 #10

Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:44 AM

1. I agree totally nt

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Response to newfie11 (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:51 AM

2. How about we nationalize defense and energy?

No thought experiment: It would fill the Treasury, instititute big savings for the taxpayers, and eliminate the middle men. Let a few CEOs try their hand at Mickey D's.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:19 AM

3. But that's SOCIALISM!

It's a slippery slope, Octa. You nationalize Defense & energy, & pretty soon someone will want to nationalize the Post Office or something. Then they'll want to build a nationalized 300mph intercontinental maglev train…it's Pandora's box, I tellya.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:29 AM

4. Oh yeah we can't have that

Why would we want to give up our
broken bridges, poor roads and on and on

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:30 AM

5. We gotta re-brand the thing, Jackpine Radical.

Otherwise our selected representatives will feel a threat to their Swiss bank accounts.

Perhaps we can call it the Protecting Unlimited Systemic Strangulation Yields for the Re-Deregulation of Wall Street Act and they won't notice all the new jobs it would create.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:07 AM

6. Lol well said

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:08 AM

7. +10000....

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Response to G_j (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:38 PM

8. US domestic and foreign policies serve the wealthy at the expense of democracy at home.

Fewer and fewer politicians stand up for We the People anymore.



It's getting old:



Bush Family Values: War, Wealth, Oil

Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president

by Kevin Phillips
February 8, 2004 by The Los Angeles Times

Four generations have created an unsavory web of links that could prove an election-year Achilles' heel for the president.

SNIP SADLY THERE'S SO MUCH THERE...

Washington lawyer Jack Blum, the ace investigator for Kerry's subcommittee back then, is said to be advising him now, which could be meaningful. Ironically, the Bush family's century of involvement in oil, armaments and global intrigue has never been at the center of the national debate since the Bushes starting running for president in 1980.

The reason? Insufficient public knowledge. The only Bush biography published before George H.W. Bush won election in 1988 was a puff job written by a former press secretary, and the biographies of George W. Bush in 2000 barely mentioned his forefathers. Millions of Republicans who have loyally voted for Bushes in three presidential elections simply have no idea. Here are circumstances and biases especially worth noting.

The Bushes and the military-industrial complex: George H. Walker and Samuel Prescott Bush were the dynasty's founding fathers during the years of and after World War I. Walker, a St. Louis financier, made his mark in corporate reorganizations and war contracts. By 1919, he was enlisted by railroad heir W. Averell Harriman to be president of Wall Street-based WA Harriman, which invested in oil, shipping, aviation and manganese, partly in Russia and Germany, during the 1920s. Sam Bush, the current president's other great-grandfather, ran an Ohio company, Buckeye Steel Castings, that produced armaments. In 1917, he went to Washington to head the small arms, ammunition and ordnance section of the federal War Industries Board. Both men were present at the emergence of what became the U.S. military-industrial complex.

Prescott Bush, the Connecticut senator and grandfather of the current president, had some German corporate ties at the outbreak of World War II, but the better yardstick of his connections was his directorships of companies involved in U.S. war production. Dresser Industries, for example, produced the incendiary bombs dropped on Tokyo and made gaseous diffusion pumps for the atomic bomb project. George H.W. Bush later worked for Dresser's oil-services businesses. Then, as CIA director, vice president and president, one of his priorities was the U.S. weapons trade and secret arms deals with Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the moujahedeen in Afghanistan.

In his 1961 farewell address, President Dwight D. Eisenhower warned about how "we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex." That complex's recent mega-leap to power came under George H.W. Bush and even more under George W. Bush — with the post-9/11 expansion of the military and creation of the Department of Homeland Security. But armaments and arms deals seem to have been in the Bushes' blood for nearly a century.

CONTINUED...

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0208-05.htm



The politicians and their backers have gamed the system to serve the Military Industrial Complex and its owners.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 01:57 PM

9. so true

this is reality

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Response to Octafish (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 02:19 PM

10. K&R

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