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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:49 AM

Giving the current events is anyone now for going over the cliff?

My position has been that it is necessary to do so for a variety of reasons. But based on what we know my position is being fortified that this must happen. No "grand bargain" must take place or else lasting damage will be done to the psyche of the American people.

Go over the cliff, and pick up the pieces from there. Pointless to argue that we can "avert" disaster by creating a disaster with a bad compromise.

It is as simple as that. I am curious though if some people have changed their opinions on going over this supposed "fiscal cliff?"

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Reply Giving the current events is anyone now for going over the cliff? (Original post)
Harmony Blue Dec 2012 OP
Riftaxe Dec 2012 #1
Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #3
Riftaxe Dec 2012 #5
Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #6
Riftaxe Dec 2012 #7
LiberalEsto Dec 2012 #2
bemildred Dec 2012 #4
Liberalynn Dec 2012 #8
newfie11 Dec 2012 #9
Volaris Dec 2012 #10
sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #11

Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:51 AM

1. Best now, then 2 years from now

When the electorate can retain a memory past 6 weeks.

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:04 AM

3. Yeah doing nothing

will be a somber victory.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:07 AM

5. I do believe it is called

Pyrrhic

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Response to Riftaxe (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:09 AM

6. That is a more accurate term

because when the poor suffer it is never truly a "victory".

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:11 AM

7. Sadly, we are in agreement there. nt

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Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:55 AM

2. Maybe they are waiting to see if the Mayan Apocalypse takes place

and the fiscal cliff becomes a moot issue.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:07 AM

4. I have always been in favor of going over the fake cliff. nt

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Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:11 AM

8. I haven't changed my opinion

I said from the begining I think we should go over now, and let the new Congress handle the fix. The Lame Ducks shouldn't be allowed to negotiate on a deal this important. They lost for a reason.

The problem with that is I am not sure the next Congress will do any better. WE are still going to have block heads like Ryan, Cantor, and Boner the mix.

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Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:16 AM

9. Hell yeah go over nt

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Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:19 AM

10. Not me, and here's why....

Howard Dean is right. Going off will throw the national economy back into a recession that will last appx. 2 quarters. After that, Wall Street will settle into the "new normal", and when they realize that the increased revenue streams comming into the Treasury, along with the spending sequestration will have a net positive effect on T-bill and Bond ratings (or something to that effect) Wall Street will say, "Fuck it, lets use that as a backstop/failsafe and start investing again" and the economy will pull itself out of that recession and take off like a rocket. After that they will say, "we don't much care that our tax rate is back at the Clinton levels, cause were making money hand over fist again."

Yes, some of the cuts to human services will hurt like hell in the short term, but the GOP will probably get the lion's share of the blame for the second recession, get kicked the hell out of control of the House in 2014, and then a lot of that can probably be re-instated.

I say go over that fucker. It's the deal that the GOP WANTED for holding the debt ceiling hostage 2 years ago. Let em own that shit, (and we'll see if they're dumb enough to try THAT again lol).

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Response to Harmony Blue (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:29 AM

11. Over the cliff! I'm all for it.

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