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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:05 AM

OK: common wisdom is (once again): OMFG!!111!! Obama CAVES!!!!!

And he DID (or so it would seem) until Boner spit in his face (again, for the thousandth time)

Just like last three times when all the panic peeps JUST KNEW he'd sold medicare and SS down the fucking river.


REMEMBER???

The ONE thing this President KNOWS is that even if he promised to cut his own throat in the middle of a KKK rally while ending ALL taxes for all the rich shitsucking cretins in the world,

THE FUCKING REPUBLICANS WILL ALWAYS SAY NO.

He just told them to "take me out of it"

And, he knows as do I, that even IF they accepted major cuts to SS and Medicare and Medicaid, that it will NEVER get through the Senate.

They all serve for life if they can get re-elected. Killing SS and gutting Medicare is NOT the way to do that.

This isn't three dimensional chess. This is the President putting the turd back in their pocket


Calm down. Have a sandwich and a nice glass of milk.

Or a beer.

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Reply OK: common wisdom is (once again): OMFG!!111!! Obama CAVES!!!!! (Original post)
cliffordu Dec 2012 OP
Warpy Dec 2012 #1
cliffordu Dec 2012 #2
Warpy Dec 2012 #4
cliffordu Dec 2012 #6
janx Dec 2012 #25
Volaris Dec 2012 #13
Whisp Dec 2012 #14
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #22
Cha Dec 2012 #28
coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #52
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #3
HubertHeaver Dec 2012 #5
cliffordu Dec 2012 #7
Skittles Dec 2012 #8
cliffordu Dec 2012 #10
Whisp Dec 2012 #16
1StrongBlackMan Dec 2012 #34
Skidmore Dec 2012 #35
BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #9
cliffordu Dec 2012 #11
BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #24
Cha Dec 2012 #30
BlueCaliDem Dec 2012 #60
Cha Dec 2012 #67
Champion Jack Dec 2012 #12
bowens43 Dec 2012 #15
cliffordu Dec 2012 #18
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #23
snooper2 Dec 2012 #39
Whisp Dec 2012 #57
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #17
janx Dec 2012 #26
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #47
Odin2005 Dec 2012 #19
CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #20
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #21
abelenkpe Dec 2012 #27
cliffordu Dec 2012 #29
Cha Dec 2012 #31
cliffordu Dec 2012 #70
SomethingFishy Dec 2012 #33
cliffordu Dec 2012 #49
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #53
cliffordu Dec 2012 #63
DJ13 Dec 2012 #32
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #36
forestpath Dec 2012 #37
riqster Dec 2012 #40
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #43
riqster Dec 2012 #45
cliffordu Dec 2012 #64
forestpath Dec 2012 #38
cliffordu Dec 2012 #62
wandy Dec 2012 #41
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #44
cliffordu Dec 2012 #65
riqster Dec 2012 #42
cliffordu Dec 2012 #66
Tarheel_Dem Dec 2012 #46
cliffordu Dec 2012 #48
grantcart Dec 2012 #50
cliffordu Dec 2012 #51
patrice Dec 2012 #56
cliffordu Dec 2012 #68
patrice Dec 2012 #54
graham4anything Dec 2012 #55
Scurrilous Dec 2012 #58
Logical Dec 2012 #59
grahamhgreen Dec 2012 #61
cliffordu Dec 2012 #69

Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:12 AM

1. We've seen this before

He mentions some concession or other and the Republicans think they've got him on the ropes and move the goalposts. First, it was to get that tax increase above $250,000, then $400,000, and now it's $1,000,000 a year! Do I hear two? Five?

Looks like rope a dope to me, proof positive that Republicans have lost their minds and that no deal is possible. So we'll fall off the cliff.

I'll pay more taxes, you might not, and I'll also be upping my donation to Second Harvest this year. They are going to need it with food stamps being cut at least during January and probably February.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:21 AM

2. I live on SS and a small veterans pension.

I trust Obama not to fuck me over.

I've watched these proceedings very carefully.

He is not heartless, or a moron.

He is letting them own ALL of it.

You do remember that the fiscal cliff was something they GLEEFULLY agreed to, thinking it would NEVER come to pass...Right??

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:29 AM

4. Oh, yeah, and I'm just as gleeful about going over it

because the cuts are across the board and the generals and arms manufacturers are going to be screaming their heads off at Congress. That will likely put Obama into a much stronger position.

They're going to have to do a lot of begging and conceding to get their beloved five sided rathole fully funded again.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:36 AM

6. Exactly right.

Boner and the baggers own this shit. Every stinking ounce.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:41 PM

25. They always have.

When speculation about this started, I had a conversation with a friend who all but laughed about it. "The president doesn't have to do anything. But the republicans do."

So, yes.

THEY OWN IT.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:26 AM

13. "The Five-sided Rathole.."

ahhhh I can't stop laughing....that's the funniest thing I've heard all week thank you so much for that lol.

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Response to Volaris (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:30 AM

14. That sure is a jewel amids all this slop. thankyou, Warpy!

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Response to Warpy (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:57 AM

22. "Five-sided rathole" ROFLMAO!!!

Can't. Stop. LAUGHING!

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:56 PM

28. Thanks for your

service, cliff. I live on my SS and I'm not worried about what the President is trying to do for us.

I was really worried when I didn't know if the Plutocrats were going to take over in the shapeshifter form of one mitt romney. But, I know whose backs PBO has.. and, it's just too bad for those who don't understand the art of negotiating with Plan B-oner, inartful rodeo clown.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:02 PM

52. Food stamps are exempted from the sequestration measures embedded in the 2011 Budget Control Act, if

 

I understand correctly. So at least on January 1, 2013, no one's food stamps are going to be eliminated or even cut back. Now that may change as the year continues. But at least for now, the poor are not being thrown under the bus because of the failure of the Rape-publi-scum to negotiate in good faith.

Not to discourage you from donating to Second Harvest, just that food stamps are exempt from cuts at least for now.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:23 AM

3. I hope you are right. My livelihood and that of many of my friends are on the line.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:35 AM

5. A beer. Always a good idea. N/T

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:37 AM

7. That's exactly right.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:47 AM

8. I have to believe there is more to it than we know

something's gotta give - I am so fucking weary

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Response to Skittles (Reply #8)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:57 AM

10. I'm telling ya -

he is the toughest politician I've seen since LBJ, but has NONE of the aggro, mean spirited personality that LBJ enjoyed.

He's done the impossible with NO support from the blue dogs, if you look at the record.

He's chumping them again.

EVERYONE will spin it like the R's won something - but wait until you see the fine print before giving up.

Just like every time DU has been through these things.

And by the way - He just got on board with a small, doable, part of gun control.

Like DADT..two years ago,

Like gay marriage last year,

Like Lilly Ledbetter.......

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:31 AM

16. Thanks, cliff. It won't be the End of the World afterall. n/t

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:20 PM

34. I agree ...

he is the toughest politician I've seen since LBJ, but has NONE of the aggro, mean spirited personality that LBJ enjoyed.


But it appears that without the aggro, mean-spirited personality, he is seen as weak ... regardless of the outcome(s).

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:24 PM

35. Frankly he's done the impossible with

the left kicking and screaming too.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:49 AM

9. Thank you! Oh, and I'm alcohol-and lactose intolerant, so a cup of Oolong tea

will have to suffice. Or a cup of hot cocoa.

Thanks for keeping it real. It's getting crazy around here.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:58 AM

11. We got Oolong on tap. No problem.

Milk? Sugar? Both??

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #11)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:28 PM

24. Woohoo! Oolong on tap!



Just sugar, please.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:01 PM

30. Hey, BlueCaliDem.. I have the same

goodies, I can't imbide or scarf down anymore.

Have you tried GTDave's Ginger Kombucha?

I did have my Kukicha Tea this morning.

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Response to Cha (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:09 AM

60. Hey Cha . . . what's Kukicha Tea?

Or Kombucha? I'm not familiar with those two. I love Oolong, though, although coffee is my preferred hot drink when I'm not struck by the flu or have a cold.

Since I was born in the year of the Tiger, Oolong Tea is part of my healthy daily regiment.

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Response to BlueCaliDem (Reply #60)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:51 AM

67. Hey Tiger.. Kombucha is sold at all those Calif health stores and supermarkets

even, I bet.. They have all kinds of flavors but Gingerade is my favorite..




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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:54 AM

12. K&R for a great post

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:31 AM

15. so your theory is the president lied and that's just fine with you?

obama is back to the same old shit. He is the tea baggers lap dog. he does what he is told do.

the obamapoligists never cease to amaze me....

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:51 AM

18. LOL...

You are such a great kidder!!!

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:00 AM

23. You just figured out that politicians lie? LOL!

Politicians HAVE to lie, look what happened to Carter when he didn't tell the American people what they wanted to hear.

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:42 PM

39. ROFL



You folks are cute to keep around here...kind of like the couple old chainsaws I have in the garage for random parts LOL

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Response to bowens43 (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:07 PM

57. no, he lied to the pugs. we knew who he was lying to.

too bad you are built too low to get that.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:45 AM

17. Why are we freaking out so much over possible proposals

Right now negotiations are occurring (or at least were occurring) and people throw around all kinds of potential ideas and offers during the negotiating process but nothing is final, of course, until the House and Senate actually vote on a bill and send it to the President for a signature.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:44 PM

26. Because people watch too much TV. n/t

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Response to janx (Reply #26)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:51 PM

47. I'm glad that we don't have Cable TV news in my house

Actually, I mostly gave up on cable news a few months after 9/11. It was literally driving me crazy with their "balanced" treatment of everything..........

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:55 AM

19. Exactly, he knows the Teabaggers will never allow anying except complete capitulation.

So he's free to throw Beltway Establishment ideas around and when the Baggers reject them he looks reasonable and can go "See, they are crazies who refuse to compromise!"

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:56 AM

20. Thanks for some rational thinking. -nt

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:57 AM

21. Thank you.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:50 PM

27. Funny because even Krugman got that old sick feeling over the "trail balloon"

but you just know Obama was kidding and playing three dimensional chess.

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:00 PM

29. AS I said, he could offer ANYTHING and the r's won't

accept it....

He's done more than once, and that's just good politics.

This three dimensional chess insult is as tiring as the whole pony thing was 4 years ago.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:03 PM

31. Right, because it's

11th Dimensional chess.

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Response to Cha (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:18 AM

70. Nope. Not chess.

Just basic politics.

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Response to cliffordu (Reply #29)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:05 PM

33. So he's bluffing?

With people lives?

Yeah that's what I call a brilliant plan.

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Response to SomethingFishy (Reply #33)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:57 PM

49. He's not bluffing with people's lives.

He's letting the Repubs out themselves and then he lets them twist in the wind.



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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #27)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:03 PM

53. Actually, Krugman was not sure whether he agreed with the proposal or not.

He was "agonized" ... as to which way he might go ... positive or negative. But he was not sure.

Here on DU, there has been great agony. Regardless of what the actual deal was, agony, agony, agony.

The predictions here on DU that Obama is "about" to kill Social Security go back at least 3 years. Any second, its going to happen. They pop up ever few months. DU explodes. Then nothing.

The last 2 weeks, the prediction has been that it was absolutely, positively, going to happen this time. DU has been on fire with that prediction.

And now?

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #53)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:46 AM

63. Yep - you just wrote a better OP than the one I posted originally.

Perfect.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:04 PM

32. I'll say this for Obama

He tries to cave, but luckily for us Boehner is too dumb to take the deals.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:33 PM

36. Your posts makes no sense. If Obama knows his SS proposal is DOA, why even bother to make it?

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:38 PM

37. LOL...People who buy Obama's bullshit never make sense.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #36)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:44 PM

40. To make Boehner T. Bagger look like an even bigger arsewipe

Working pretty well, too, I'd say.

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Response to riqster (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:03 PM

43. Do you HONESTLY think that is Obama's MO? I sure don't.

 

But if it is, even putting the offer out there creates a risk that it will be accepted. It also scares people who do take Obama at his word and aren't "sophisticated" enough to create inside-out/upside-down motives for him.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #43)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:05 PM

45. It isn't the way I would do it

But I will see what happens before I freak out.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #36)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:47 AM

64. POLITICS.

You should study some.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:40 PM

38. Obama tried his best to sell SS and Medicare down the river. He won't rest until he does.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #38)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:42 AM

62. Why, Bless your heart!

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:44 PM

41. I wonder if President Obama isn't having a bit of fun with this. Listen....

He knows he's negotiating with terrorists.
He knows that if he gives up an inch the hostage takers, whoops, I meant republicans will want a yard.
So, Obama plays out concessions inch by inch and watches the Teabuggers, whoops I meant republicans, make fools out of themselves in front of god and everyone.
Meanwhile the people the republicans represent (not the people who voted for them) are biting their nails and tearing their hair worse than we are.
They know their free ride is about to go over the cliff.
No problem for them, they will just find some tea soaked, frothing at the mouth 'Joe The Plumber' to primary their current servants.

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Response to wandy (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:04 PM

44. Well, I'm sure glad Obama is having fun with this. People who depend on SS sure as fuck aren't.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #44)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:48 AM

65. I live on SS and a small Veteran's pension.

I trust him.

I Do have a dog in the fight.

Ain't skeered.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:45 PM

42. Scotch in my case

Oh, and you forgot "ONOES!!!!!!"

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Response to riqster (Reply #42)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:49 AM

66. Keeeeee- RISTE!!!.

It's always something.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:51 PM

46. Recommended. A BLT & milk sounds good right about now. Anyone who's been paying attention....

and who isn't intellectually dishonest knows the pukes won't accept any offer from Obama on the fiscal cliff, and Obama knows this better than anyone. John Boehner can't accept any deal before the new Congress if he wants to protect his speakership. Sad, but true.

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #46)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:56 PM

48. Boom go the dynomite.

EVERYTHING goes well with bacon.

Even fiscal cliffs.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:59 PM

50. If you want to see how badly the President has screwed the Republicans tomorrow tune into


Rush Limbaugh.

He's practically having a heart attack on the air.

In the end the President is going to get 90% of what he wants and the middle class tax cuts will be the Obama tax cuts and the rich will be paying higher rates, with substantial defense cuts and no debt ceiling votes.




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Response to grantcart (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:01 PM

51. You, my friend, predicted all of this.

I just parrot your predictions from last year.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #50)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:07 PM

56. Doesn't it all dovetail pretty well with the development of Obamacare too? I'm amazed at

the strategery!

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Response to grantcart (Reply #50)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:51 AM

68. I learned everything I know about politics from this chilly grantcart motherfucker.

Word.

Diss him at your own peril.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:04 PM

54. This may help a little - a VERY interesting read for wide-angle perspective from a profesional:

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:06 PM

55. Yup.

 

A real fan of President Obama does not CuttenRun 3 times a week

Obama roped the dopes again.Just like he did in the 1st debate. Mitt threw everything at him, and by the time of the 2nd and 3rd, nothing was there but how utterly bad Mitt was.

and I am sick and tired of these fair weather fans.

I would hate to have any of them watching my back. I would turn around and oops, they would not be there.

They would be voting for republicans just to spite the President, even though logically that makes about as much sense as John McCain thinking he picked a woman, therefore
Sarah=Hillary.

But then I am not surprised as I was here after the first debate, and well person to person same freaking thing as that night.

It is why I now only watch Al Sharpton and have turned all the others off 100%.
I no longer care about any of the others. They proved their worth that night after the first debate, and that includes Ed and Rachel.

And I saw what CuttenRunners did to LBJ which led to every bad thing after that
and saw it again by the CuttenRunners running to Nader(especially up in NH) in 2000.
Their bullshit whining directly led to Bush winning, irregardless of Florida mess that happened a month later.

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 07:56 AM

58. LOL

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 08:05 AM

59. Not the fucking 10 dimension chess shit again! LOL!

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Response to cliffordu (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:38 AM

61. So, to him, the elderly's ability to eat, is a gambling chip in negotiations?

Even though SS does not does one nickel to the deficit?

And your premise is we may be saved from the Obama SS cuts by.... Boner! not good.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #61)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:52 AM

69. Keep watching. I'll expect big humilities down the road from the panic peeps.

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