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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:56 AM

Debate over shooting took a turn to a debate over what is an assault rifle

My stance to my husband's friend on Facebook is pretty basic: 'I, and most people don't want to take all your guns. We just want common sense gun safety laws, ie: banning assault rifles, thorough background checks, close loopholes, etc.'

His response is the slippery slope+ bullshit:

The definition of assault rifle is full auto. The bush master is semi-auto so no its not an assault rifle. You want to weaken the bill of rights go ahead but don't claim support for the 2 nd amendment while doing it. What other liberties do you have no use for? As surly as you give up this one all your others will be taken away. Oh its just the assault ones or the Saturday night special or hollow points or magazine size. Divided and concord picked apart all the while we won't go after your gun. But these are my gun and your friends gun and some stranger who does carry legally and would protect you if the need was there. But too often we cannot carry in places due to the law. And that is where the evel with bad intent go. Time and time again.
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Reply Debate over shooting took a turn to a debate over what is an assault rifle (Original post)
Sugarcoated Dec 2012 OP
mwrguy Dec 2012 #1
Glassunion Dec 2012 #6
Mojorabbit Dec 2012 #15
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #17
X_Digger Dec 2012 #21
sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #2
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #3
ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #4
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #7
ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #10
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #14
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #16
Kalidurga Dec 2012 #5
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #11
Union Scribe Dec 2012 #8
k2qb3 Dec 2012 #9
ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #12
k2qb3 Dec 2012 #18
graham4anything Dec 2012 #13
gollygee Dec 2012 #19
Paladin Dec 2012 #20

Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:09 AM

1. If you can assault someone with it

then it is an assault weapon.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:48 AM

6. You can pry my snowball from my incredibly cold dead hands.

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Response to mwrguy (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:05 AM

15. Definitions matter when policy is being made and it is good to know the difference

between automatic and semi auto esp because it seems to be not widely known on this site. It is the semi automatic they are calling assault weapons and they are one shot one bullet weapons not full automatic. I am not an expert but
We have lots of really good knowledgeable people on the site who can explain it and very well if they are given a chance.
I am extra sleepy so please forgive if this is jumbled up. Night.

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Response to Mojorabbit (Reply #15)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:01 AM

17. Given ARs are used in actual combat zones

Sorry...

And yes, I know the technical differences. Before that is, you try to lecture me.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:16 AM

21. Name one military that uses a non-select-fire semi-auto AR-15. I'll wait. n/t

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:10 AM

2. Some gun-idolaters will gladly choose to criminals...

...if society lawfully changes enough to ban guns. Ipso facto, such gun owners can not claim to be law abiding. Their argument is that they will abide with the laws that they like and thus can't be trusted.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/117294735

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:19 AM

3. Our modern day semi auto

Have the rate of fire of a tommy, which is tightly regulated by the National Firearms Gun Control Act of 1934

http://law.jrank.org/pages/8725/National-Firearms-Act-1934.html

We have done this in the past...enough of this bullshit. (Not you, our fun nutters)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:42 AM

4. Thompsons are fun to shoot.

Very heavy gun. Virtually no recoil. Climbs like crazy.

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #4)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:49 AM

7. Like the Uzi.

But the point is...there are tight controls. We need to think of that. St Valentine Day Massacre led to that Act...it's in the books.

The tommy is legal to own. It's just a pain in the rear to do so.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:55 AM

10. Very true. And they are expensive to feed....

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #10)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:00 AM

14. And expensive to buy and sell

With very extensive background checks. When was the last time one was used in a criminal act in the US?

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:59 AM

16. There have been semi auto tommy guns over time

Even with the much slower rate of fire and the Cutts Compensator, they too climb skyward

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:47 AM

5. If you can use it to kill more than 2 dozen people then it's an assault rifle...

they serve no useful purpose ban them and try to recover as many as possible that are already out there.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:56 AM

11. I could do that with a bow and arrow

Definitions are going to be massively important. That is why the last Fed AWB failed.

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:52 AM

8. "Divided and concord picked apart"

Why'd they stick a rant about grapes in there?

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:55 AM

9. The real issue here is what is "assault"

It's my position that "assault" is a verb, lots of people seem to think it's an adjective.

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Response to k2qb3 (Reply #9)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 02:59 AM

12. How useful do you find that position?

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Response to ManiacJoe (Reply #12)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:52 AM

18. Extremely.

It isn't semantics, it's the heart of the disagreement.

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:00 AM

13. Just tell him ALL GUNS and don't argue minutia with an NRA disciple who does this division

 

also remind him

If only the shooter's first victim, a teacher, had a gun, this would have taken care of the problem.

Of course the NRA disciple don't get irony and satire (and even some on our side don't get it either).

But tell him that.
(btw-it always is HIM isn't it? not her, but him. That is always interesting.

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:55 AM

19. It always does

This is the NRA way of "baffling with bullshit." Throw out a bunch of definitions and statistics about guns until people give up and shut up.

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Response to Sugarcoated (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 08:56 AM

20. Control Of The Vocabulary: A Prime Gun Militant Tool


As long as we allow the agenda-driven gun obsessives to define what an "assault rifle" is, as long as we allow them to go into drooling hysterics over the negligible difference between a "magazine" and a "clip," as long as we allow them to deflect attention from what the important issues are, they will manage to prevent meaningful gun control from being put in place. Don't be fooled by all this, they've been using this tactic for years and years.

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