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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:54 PM

Florida Man Invokes ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law After Shooting Fellow Pizza Customer



By Scott Keyes posted from ThinkProgress Justice on Dec 19, 2012 at 6:05 pm


A Florida man defended his decision to shoot an impatient pizza customer over the weekend, citing the state’s infamous “Stand Your Ground” law.

Michael Jock, a 52-year-old resident of St. Petersburg, was standing in line behind 49-year-old Randall White at a local Little Caesars on Sunday when Jock grew angry over White’s complaints about the speed of service. The two got began to shove one another, prompting Jock to pull out a .38 Taurus Ultralight Special Revolver that had been concealed on his person and fire twice, hitting White both times in the lower torso.

The Tampa Bay Times has more:

After the shooting, both men went outside and waited for police. Jock told officers the shooting was justified under “stand your ground,” Puetz said.

“He felt he was in his rights,” Puetz said. “He brought it up specifically and cited it to the officer.”

He told officers he feared for his life. He mentioned that he thought White had an object in his hand, then backed off that when officers pressed him. Florida’s “stand your ground law” says people are not required to retreat before using deadly force.


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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/19/1360511/michael-jock-shooter/

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Reply Florida Man Invokes ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law After Shooting Fellow Pizza Customer (Original post)
DonViejo Dec 2012 OP
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 #1
Deep13 Dec 2012 #3
Deep13 Dec 2012 #2
Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #4
Deep13 Dec 2012 #5
beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #6
Deep13 Dec 2012 #10
beam me up scottie Dec 2012 #11
Deep13 Dec 2012 #13
pnwmom Dec 2012 #7
TheOther95Percent Dec 2012 #8
moondust Dec 2012 #12
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #9
savalez Dec 2012 #14
savalez Dec 2012 #15
Dawson Leery Dec 2012 #16

Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:58 PM

1. I thought that sub was an Uzi.

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:00 PM

3. Yeah, he said "sub," and I thought he meant "submachine gun." nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:59 PM

2. Even in FL, that's murder.

One only has a right to use lethal force if he is defending his LIFE. Getting shoved is not a lethal threat. The stand your ground rule simply means one need not retreat before resorting to shooting. It does not mean he can invent a lethal threat out of thin air.

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:02 PM

4. Not if the victim didn't die - even in Florida.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:05 PM

5. LOL, sorry, I overlooked that. nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:09 PM

6. "It does not mean he can invent a lethal threat out of thin air."

Unfortunately, in Florida it does.

Just ask George Zimmerman.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:34 PM

10. Isn't he awaiting trial? nt

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Response to Deep13 (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:41 PM

11. Yes and it could go either way.

That's why this law needs to be overturned and why it should have never been signed to begin with.

It's not like people didn't see this coming.

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Response to beam me up scottie (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:58 PM

13. True, but a guilty verdict could go a long way toward reeling in the crazies. nt

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:11 PM

7. The worst thing about concealed carry weapons

is the kind of jerks who want to carry them.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:20 PM

8. And the gun lobby would tell us this makes us all "safer"

Pretty soon people will need to start wearing body armor just to go pick up a pizza.

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Response to TheOther95Percent (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:51 PM

12. Bulletproof backpacks for kids.

Today The Young Turks had a guy on who is making and selling them.

Insanity rulez!!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:22 PM

9. Text book why Stand your ground needs to go

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:01 PM

15. It probably escalated into a fight

BECAUSE the shooter had a gun in the first place. I suspect he wouldn't have been so tough and argumentative otherwise.

Also, shouldn't you have to know you are in danger and not just think so? The victim had nothing in his hand after all so that should be the end of it - guilty. I guess Florida is special.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:01 PM

16. "Stand Your Ground", courtesy of Jeb Bush, the NRA, and ALEC.

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