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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:54 PM

DonViejo (4,590 posts)

Florida Man Invokes ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law After Shooting Fellow Pizza Customer

By Scott Keyes posted from ThinkProgress Justice on Dec 19, 2012 at 6:05 pm

A Florida man defended his decision to shoot an impatient pizza customer over the weekend, citing the state’s infamous “Stand Your Ground” law.

Michael Jock, a 52-year-old resident of St. Petersburg, was standing in line behind 49-year-old Randall White at a local Little Caesars on Sunday when Jock grew angry over White’s complaints about the speed of service. The two got began to shove one another, prompting Jock to pull out a .38 Taurus Ultralight Special Revolver that had been concealed on his person and fire twice, hitting White both times in the lower torso.

The Tampa Bay Times has more:

After the shooting, both men went outside and waited for police. Jock told officers the shooting was justified under “stand your ground,” Puetz said.

“He felt he was in his rights,” Puetz said. “He brought it up specifically and cited it to the officer.”

He told officers he feared for his life. He mentioned that he thought White had an object in his hand, then backed off that when officers pressed him. Florida’s “stand your ground law” says people are not required to retreat before using deadly force.

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http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/12/19/1360511/michael-jock-shooter/

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16 replies	Author	Time	Post
Florida Man Invokes ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law After Shooting Fellow Pizza Customer (Original post)	DonViejo	Dec 2012	OP
I thought that sub was an Uzi.	UnrepentantLiberal	Dec 2012	#1
Yeah, he said "sub," and I thought he meant "submachine gun." nt	Deep13	Dec 2012	#3
Even in FL, that's murder.	Deep13	Dec 2012	#2
Not if the victim didn't die - even in Florida.	Hassin Bin Sober	Dec 2012	#4
LOL, sorry, I overlooked that. nt	Deep13	Dec 2012	#5
"It does not mean he can invent a lethal threat out of thin air."	beam me up scottie	Dec 2012	#6
Isn't he awaiting trial? nt	Deep13	Dec 2012	#10
Yes and it could go either way.	beam me up scottie	Dec 2012	#11
True, but a guilty verdict could go a long way toward reeling in the crazies. nt	Deep13	Dec 2012	#13
The worst thing about concealed carry weapons	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#7
And the gun lobby would tell us this makes us all "safer"	TheOther95Percent	Dec 2012	#8
Bulletproof backpacks for kids.	moondust	Dec 2012	#12
Text book why Stand your ground needs to go	nadinbrzezinski	Dec 2012	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	savalez	Dec 2012	#14
It probably escalated into a fight	savalez	Dec 2012	#15
"Stand Your Ground", courtesy of Jeb Bush, the NRA, and ALEC.	Dawson Leery	Dec 2012	#16

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:58 PM

UnrepentantLiberal (11,700 posts)

1. I thought that sub was an Uzi.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:00 PM

Deep13 (37,271 posts)

3. Yeah, he said "sub," and I thought he meant "submachine gun." nt

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:59 PM

Deep13 (37,271 posts)

2. Even in FL, that's murder.

One only has a right to use lethal force if he is defending his LIFE. Getting shoved is not a lethal threat. The stand your ground rule simply means one need not retreat before resorting to shooting. It does not mean he can invent a lethal threat out of thin air.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:02 PM

Hassin Bin Sober (8,622 posts)

4. Not if the victim didn't die - even in Florida.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:05 PM

Deep13 (37,271 posts)

5. LOL, sorry, I overlooked that. nt

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:09 PM

beam me up scottie (25,080 posts)

6. "It does not mean he can invent a lethal threat out of thin air."

Unfortunately, in Florida it does.

Just ask George Zimmerman.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:34 PM

Deep13 (37,271 posts)

10. Isn't he awaiting trial? nt

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:41 PM

beam me up scottie (25,080 posts)

11. Yes and it could go either way.

That's why this law needs to be overturned and why it should have never been signed to begin with.

It's not like people didn't see this coming.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:58 PM

Deep13 (37,271 posts)

13. True, but a guilty verdict could go a long way toward reeling in the crazies. nt

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:11 PM

pnwmom (43,217 posts)

7. The worst thing about concealed carry weapons

is the kind of jerks who want to carry them.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:20 PM

TheOther95Percent (473 posts)

8. And the gun lobby would tell us this makes us all "safer"

Pretty soon people will need to start wearing body armor just to go pick up a pizza.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:51 PM

moondust (8,293 posts)

12. Bulletproof backpacks for kids.

Today The Young Turks had a guy on who is making and selling them.

Insanity rulez!!!

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:22 PM

nadinbrzezinski (120,441 posts)

9. Text book why Stand your ground needs to go

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:01 PM

savalez (1,984 posts)

15. It probably escalated into a fight

BECAUSE the shooter had a gun in the first place. I suspect he wouldn't have been so tough and argumentative otherwise.

Also, shouldn't you have to know you are in danger and not just think so? The victim had nothing in his hand after all so that should be the end of it - guilty. I guess Florida is special.

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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:01 PM

Dawson Leery (8,391 posts)

16. "Stand Your Ground", courtesy of Jeb Bush, the NRA, and ALEC.

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