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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:41 PM

MoveOn publishes whip count page for defense of Social Security and Medicare

http://americablog.com/2012/12/new-progressive-no-benefit-cuts-senate-contact-page-reference-post.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Americablog+%28AMERICAblog+News%29
Consider this a reference post. The broad progressive coalition fighting with and for you to prevent Barack Obama and the Democratic Party from bargaining away any Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid benefit — that group now has a new Senate contact and “whipcount” page:

http://pol.moveon.org/fiscal-showdown-whip/index.html

Feel free to use it. And by the way, scroll down to the Brought to You By section of the page and notice the impressive number of organizations that are pulling out the stops on this. Please help us help you — and please don’t forget to report back. Thanks!

How to stop benefit cuts: an overview
Any move by Obama or the Democrats to partner with the Republicans to roll back social insurance is being fought hard and effectively — so far. But your help is needed. We can stop this in three places:

■ The House, with a coalition of Obama-opposing progressives and their right-wing tax-hating TP brethern.
■ The Senate, with a coalition of Democrats who will stand firm — stand for their party’s legacy; and stand against Obama’s attempt to burnish his own legacy on the back of social insurance programs.
■ At the president’s desk, by making it poison for him to touch with a surrogate’s ten-foot pole any presidential attempt to bargain away these benefits.

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Reply MoveOn publishes whip count page for defense of Social Security and Medicare (Original post)
eridani Dec 2012 OP
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #1
hay rick Dec 2012 #3
yurbud Dec 2012 #20
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #16
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #17
snot Dec 2012 #2
woo me with science Dec 2012 #4
Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #5
HereSince1628 Dec 2012 #6
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #7
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #19
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #21
creeksneakers2 Dec 2012 #8
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #9
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #18
KoKo Dec 2012 #10
WillyT Dec 2012 #11
JDPriestly Dec 2012 #12
Doremus Dec 2012 #13
eridani Dec 2012 #22
bananas Dec 2012 #14
Quantess Dec 2012 #15

Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:21 PM

1. Some of our Third Way/Centrist "friends" are saying to relax and trust Pres Obama.

I wish we could. But we cant sit back and do nothing and hope it works out ok. Now is the time for progressives to speak out.

I want to point out that progressive organizations like moveon.org and Progressive Democrats for America are fighting hard to keep our safety nets. This is what our party should be doing.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:44 PM

3. There are six Senators who are Third Way "Honorary Co-Chairs."

Link: http://www.thirdway.org/co_chairs

All six are listed as "part-way there or wavering" by Move-On. Move-On gives them credit for being part-way there if they have made no statement. I think agreeing to be a Third Way Honorary Co-Chair is a statement. Third Way has been an active promoter of a "grand bargain" that would cut Social Security benefits. One of their publications here: http://www.thirdway.org/publications/613

The six: Carper and Coons, (DE), Hagan (NC), Udall (CO), Shaheen (NH), and McCaskill (MO).

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Response to hay rick (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:01 AM

20. if those assholes are supposed to be so reasonable, why not cut Cold War sized military?

We have a military designed to fight a Cold War sized nation and we're using it to chase a couple of hundred terrorists, who could best be neutralized by intelligence agencies, special forces, and preventing our "allies" like the Saudis from funding them.

To get anywhere close to a respectable near-superpower adversary, we'd have to piss off Russia, China, and the whole EU at once and they'd have to gang up on us.

Given how dedicated politicians in Washington are to keep defense spending going, they might just do that on purpose, as they are trying to do with Iran, which could escalate into a war with Russia and China.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:16 PM

16. Those days are gone, where the people can afford to just 'trust us' when it comes

to any politician.

I love what this huge Progressive Coalition is doing now. They intend to become more independent of the political parties and to use money normally donated to candidates rec'd by the Party, to primary any Dem who goes along with cuts to SS.

Moveon, having learned finally I guess, that caving to the DLC/Third Way lost them many of their members have realized that their success came from representing the people, not from 'gaining access'.

They intend to use money donated to them to put into ads exposing anyone who betrays the American people on SS.

I refused to donate to them after they caved to the DLC leadership a few years ago. But now I will definitely donate to them as they prepare to challenge any Dem Senator or House member who votes for a single cut to SS.

No longer can we trust elected officials. If we want change, the people have to do it themselves. And finally this has begun to happen.

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Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:02 PM

17. Thank you for bringing this up. I wanted to discuss this subject w you

In the Dec 24/31 issue of The Nation mag there is an article "How to Save the Democratic Party". Very interesting article and then followed by a number of responses to the article. The article explains how the Democratic Party has failed in recent decades and then goes on to tell what is needed. The responses are interesting perspectives. One response tries to give credit of the limited progressive progress we have achieved to the Democratic Party. I have been involved with a couple of progressive groups as well as the Party. IMO the party has done very little since Howard Dean was dumped. There have been many many calls to action whether it be donate to progressive candidates like Alan Grayson, email/phone calls promoting issues, Occupy, protests, etc., but none were spearheaded by the Party. The progressive groups outside the party have driven these advances.

Having said all that, I want to also emphasize that the progressive movement needs to co-opt the Democratic Party. Let The Third Way start their own party. Yes the oligarchs have their talons into the party but we must get it back.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:17 PM

4. K&R

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:21 PM

5. K&R - People should check out the " list of what counts as a benefit cut" link at...

...that page from the OP, or HERE

PB

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:24 PM

6. Letting them know their noses are being counted is a great idea n/t


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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:34 PM

7. It's a sad day when I'm relying on the unholy alliance of...

"Obama-opposing progressives and their right-wing tax-hating TP brethren" to defeat a shitty offer put forth by a (supposedly) Democratic president.

Sigh.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:41 PM

19. I think it is a sad day when you call progressives Obama opposers.

Speaking for myself, I support issues, like saving Social Security. Hopefully Pres Obama agrees.

To call progressives the brethren of the tea party is just vile. Are you interested in discussing issues or just trying to cause trouble?

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 12:03 AM

21. Take it up with MoveOn, not me.

"The House, with a coalition of Obama-opposing progressives and their right-wing tax-hating TP brethern."

And considering I plan to tap into SS within the next 12-15 years, of course I want to "save" it. I don't trust Obama on this particular issue, and I won't apologize for that.

RAISE THE FUCKING CAP.
CUT THE MILITARY BUDGET.
END THE BUSH TAX CUTS.

Edit: In skimming this thread, I'm pretty sure we're on the same side:

#16 "Having said all that, I want to also emphasize that the progressive movement needs to co-opt the Democratic Party. Let The Third Way start their own party. Yes the oligarchs have their talons into the party but we must get it back."

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:09 PM

8. Why aren't they pressuring Republicans too?

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:25 PM

9. Are you series? Pressuring Republicans is a waste of time.

It's the damn turn-coat Third Way Democrats that may turn on the people.

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Response to creeksneakers2 (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:18 PM

18. They are. We were asked to bombard Republicans also with calls, which people

have done. No one gets off the hook when it comes to SS.

And now credit is going to Republicans for turning down the offer made by the President and saving SS. Of course, Republicans did not intend to save SS, they wanted that part of the proposal. They saved it by accident. However, it would not be surprising to hear them claim that it was they who stopped a Dem President from cutting SS benefits.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 01:08 PM

10. Recommend......!

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 03:18 PM

11. K & R !!!


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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 04:26 PM

12. Thanks. I called my senators, Feinstein and Boxer, again today.

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 05:58 PM

13. I'll call Sherrod Brown & thank him.

Our other Ohio senator is a puke. Literally.


I'll call him anyway but it's a waste of time.

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Response to Doremus (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 24, 2012, 09:00 PM

22. Don't let pukes off the hook. Don't let Dems not working for us off the hook either n/t

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:36 AM

14. k&r nt

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Response to eridani (Original post)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:03 PM

15. Hope it's not too late for a kick. (no text)

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