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Deaths from firearms are set to outstrip car fatalities for the first time, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and reported by Bloomberg News.
The CDC estimates that auto-related deaths--long on the decline as more motorists wear seat-belts and face harsher penalties for drunk driving--will fall to 32,000 in 2015. Deaths from firearms, which include suicides and accidents, are estimated to rise to 33,000 over the same period.
Every day, 85 Americans are shot dead, about 53 of them in suicides. This figure is still lower than 1993's peak in gun deaths (37,666), but has risen significantly since firearm deaths reached a low in 2000 (28,393). The data goes back to 1979.
Meanwhile, USA Today, which looked at FBI figures, reports that 774 people were killed between 2006 and 2010 by a mass killer, defined as a person who kills four or more people in one incident. The figures show that mass killers strike on average once every two weeks. A third of the 156 mass killings did not involve firearms, but rather fire, knife or other weapon. Almost all of the mass killers in those years were men, and their average age was 32. The dozens of deaths caused by mass killers represented about 1 percent of all homicides between 2006 and 2010.
Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/gun-deaths-set-outstrip-car-fatalities-first-time-152632492.html
djean111
(14,255 posts)That whole analogy is ridiculous.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)<a jest>
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)It shows a real need.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)not wanting to go alone, settling a score, etc.
This might be more important than we know. Maybe if we were addressing the depression and other issues that lead up to this, we might not see nearly as many murders. You and I might know, but a lot of these folks see no other solution, and maybe if we figured out a way to push treatment out, it would stop a number of the murders as well.
I was watching one of the reality shows where they filmed a medical marijuana store in California, and the owner suggests that millions of people who are smoking weed are not just casual, recreational users, but people self-treating their own depression. If true, that ignores a huge problem by beating up on people for mere possession and use of smaller amounts, makes us bullies instead of neighbors..
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)if people are self medicating. If we could get to those people who are depressed we could perhaps look to see a huge drop in deaths by firearms or any other method.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)They are at the checkout line with us, in traffic with us, in our office...and we won't find the few 'till we talk to the many.
It would really take a national effort at training and understanding, maybe try and affect the culture. Tens of millions of new interviews, laws, processes...in a culture which has no patience, thinks we can pass laws and dispense pills to solve our problems
On top of that, Democrats seem to be willing to use the lives of the elderly as a bargaining chip in a cheap-ass chess game, while we blow up innocent children with our drones. I doubt such people could provide a solution, or sell anyone that such people care about much of anyone, being that willing to dispose of our neighbors and others.
Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)The Swiss call it "Mitnahme-Selbstmorde" (something like "take-with-you-suicides". Surely this is the most often ignored yet by force of sheer statistical significance most important negative outcome of widespread gun ownership.
bulloney
(4,113 posts)That by itself increases the chances of injury or death from a vehicle. The "vehicles-kill-more-people" line is nothing but one of many red herrings thrown out by the NRA and its stooges to get people off-target in the debate on firearm ownership.
htuttle
(23,738 posts)cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)n/t
htuttle
(23,738 posts)Are you driving around without license plates?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Even private sales of automobiles have to be reported to the state, also unlike guns.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)not if it's to be used on private property.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Actually.
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)If you operate a car on private property, no license, insurance, or registration is required.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)would be illegal. Same with the vehicle ...kill someone on your private property with it...accident or on purpose...it's illegal. Pull it out onto the open road...even a tractor...and you have to obey the law.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Yessir. A.L.L. I.N.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)in government positions.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)it is the intended use of a firearm.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Some countries, like China, tolerate outstanding auto fatality rates.
Of course, vehicles are designed to do other things than to kill, and they do a lot more of those other things. So there is a risk/reward tradeoff we accept with vehicles. Ambulances, for example, got more people to the ER last year than people who were injured by vehicles.
If having a car in your home was more likely to kill you than to take you places, we'd probably be looking at what we should do about cars.
On the other hand, a firearm purchased for personal protection is more likely to injure or kill one of the people it was ostensibly purchased to protect. And that's the reality.
rustydog
(9,186 posts)and killed 20 kids and 6 adults before driving over himself...
Yes, stick with your arguement..You must have been an ace in debate.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)I think if the CIA ever has to hide something very sensitive the body of a DU OP is just the place to do it.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)it's listed under rampage killings and qualifies as a mass killing by vehicle...
guess he went out with heroic aspirations as a dragonslayer.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)only if he managed to run over the Grand Dragon.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Choked on my Coffee on that one.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)RedCappedBandit
(5,514 posts)Guns? Not so much.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)width, yearly licensing, eyesight of the driver, insurance, who can drive one and under what state of inebriation, how fast, etc. Why not regulate guns at least as much?
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)I can own a car all I want and not have to do a darn thing to it if it's on private property.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)CottonBear
(21,596 posts)progressoid
(49,978 posts)ALL CAPS!
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)I hope you understand that the law preventing you from taking that thing out in public is itself regulation. And good luck getting home owner's insurance if your insurance company finds out.
Comrade_McKenzie
(2,526 posts)kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)JeffHead
(1,186 posts)With crumple zones, anti lock brakes, seat belts etc. When guns kill too many people we make them easier to get. Even people on the terrorist watch list can get them. Somebody tell me the logic in that.
Bonhomme Richard
(9,000 posts)a gun every year?
That sounds crazy to me.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)malthaussen
(17,187 posts)For years I've used the "cars kill more people than guns" meme to illustrate the fact that our society will tolerate any number of deaths if it suits our convenience. Darn, now I'm gonna have to revise that.
-- Mal
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)eallen
(2,953 posts)People are schizophrenic in their attitude to suicide. The same person who fights to legalize assisted suicide in the morning, in the afternoon says we have to do something about gun suicides.
Many suicides are tragic. Especially those committed by the young, under motivation that anyone with more life experience will tell them is temporary.
Some suicides are the rational choice of mature individuals facing insuperable difficulty, such as incurable disease that robs their ability ever again to live as they want. It is no accident that people over 75 commit suicide at higher rates than those younger. That's when many such diseases strike. Often in combination.
I can make a judgment about someone's suicide based on their life circumstances and motivation. But that they used a gun rather than a drug doesn't tell me much at all.
pediatricmedic
(397 posts)Considering most of the remaining firearm related fatalities are drug/gang related.
A big chunk of the rest are civil disputes, which are very dangerous to respond to.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)Can't handle booze responsibly can't hand a gun responsibly either.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)and that's the best scenario...can't get insurance, can't get a job, ... at least in California. Mother's Against Drunk Driving (MADD) should be the poster moms of this newest carnage.
DeschutesRiver
(2,354 posts)Deaths per year due to homicides and accidental deaths are 12,540.
Deaths per year which resulted from a mass killing are 103.
The remainder are people who commit suicide.
How do they define "accidents"?
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Tab
(11,093 posts)Imagine if we had similarly restrictive laws on guns?
It's even more astonishing because most people are actively in a car most days, whereas the number of people with guns and actively use them are a much smaller subset, so for it to outstrip cars is taking some doing.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)they create. Annually. Show up and re-register them.
ShadowLiberal
(2,237 posts)The NRA loves to say "if you want to restrict/ban guns then you need to do it to cars first, they kill more people".
Atypical Liberal
(5,412 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)penalize actions around 300 million pieces of metal...cars or guns. Not in the engineering, in the purpose, intent and danger to human life.
Imagine if there were no speed laws, no wonderful highway system, no production rules, no smog rules, no orange warning signs, no "double the fine when in construction zone" for road workers, no faulty equipment rules, no seatbelts, no car seat carriers, no drug or alcohol absorption rules (DUIs), no uninsured motorist insurance, heck ...no insurance at all, etc.
That's what makes driving and being on the road safe. Same ultimately with guns. Just a matter of how many kiddies need to appear at the morgue first.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)believe in posted yesterday is that gun deaths are going down over the last ten years. That was from some prof with a credentials list 10 miles long.
This seems to say the opposite.