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WiffenPoof

(2,404 posts)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:28 PM Dec 2012

Civil War - Or Some Variation..

Does anyone else here have a sense that we are on the verge of some sort of civil war. I have this feeling that exists just under the surface that we are in for some rough times. Between the whole gun issue and recent economic talk...I feel that we are at critical place in our history.

Is anyone else feeling a sense of doom...or at least a sense of unease?

Paige

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Civil War - Or Some Variation.. (Original Post) WiffenPoof Dec 2012 OP
Nope. n/t Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #1
I see a fragmentation of the Union as more likely... Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #2
If it does happen it's going to be a world class FUBAR Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3
Very important point. Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #4
Nope. Earth_First Dec 2012 #5
Yes I have been feeling it for awhile. I don't know what is going to happen. We in southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #6
A sense of unease, yes. Jim Warren Dec 2012 #7
Yup nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8
I Have Been Saying That We Have Been In A Political Civil War For Months TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #9
No pipoman Dec 2012 #10
I am a little tiny prepper and I think that a major problem could push some over the edge ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #11
Antebellum isn't an era, it's a mental disease . orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #12
That would interrupt everyone's tv time stuntcat Dec 2012 #13
In the medium term, something is going to break, we've passed the point of tension where Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #14
HEY! Toss in Global climate change (competition for resources) cbrer Dec 2012 #15
 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
2. I see a fragmentation of the Union as more likely...
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:31 PM
Dec 2012

...but not necessarily one which involved outright warfare (or even much in the way of violence). Something more along the lines of the end of the Soviet Union, with the US as currently constituted breaking up into regional polities. Call it a half-dozen...maybe eight.

I'm completely okay with this, too.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
3. If it does happen it's going to be a world class FUBAR
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:33 PM
Dec 2012

Things aren't nearly as simple as they were in 1861

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
4. Very important point.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:35 PM
Dec 2012

If we do have some sort of civil war, it's not going to include the stark geographic divisions of the previous one, as your map clearly shows. Like you say, the mother of all FUBARS...

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
6. Yes I have been feeling it for awhile. I don't know what is going to happen. We in
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:38 PM
Dec 2012

my family can't afford to buy extra food and supplies if something happens. We don't even have guns in our home. I live in rural Tn and I just don't know.

Jim Warren

(2,736 posts)
7. A sense of unease, yes.
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:38 PM
Dec 2012

but where would the lines be drawn? It'd be like playing 3 dimensional chess wouldn't it?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
8. Yup
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:40 PM
Dec 2012

We have been moving towards it for a few years now.

The trend started truly in 1996 and Gingrich dictat.

 

TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
9. I Have Been Saying That We Have Been In A Political Civil War For Months
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:43 PM
Dec 2012

And if you really look at what has been going on we have been in one since Obama was elected. The attacks on him and any liberal agenda have been fierce. We have gotten little accomplished in 4 years compared to what could have been done.

Even though Obama acts like a Republican in some ways, he has been labled a socialist, communist, Islamist etc. He is destroying the country in the eyes of conservatives.

You can go back to Reagan when everything changed and Newt Gingrich lent his hand in the obstructionist evolution. All you have to do is look at red and blue states and how they are divided. Look at all the states that refuse to implement the Affordable Care Act.

We are split in so many directions it is not even funny. The gun issue is even more divisive than other issues. Expect a particularly vicious and divisive fight as we try to move forward on sensible gun control.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
10. No
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:47 PM
Dec 2012

maybe an alliance between occupy types and teabagger types...they do have issues in common and together would be a force to be reckoned with...

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
11. I am a little tiny prepper and I think that a major problem could push some over the edge
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:53 PM
Dec 2012

By tiny, I mean, a week or a bit more, like FEMA suggests, vice the TEOTAWAKI idiots on Doomsday Prepper show. I live in SoCal so those who don't prep a little are damn fools. The big one is coming.

I remember the NYC power riots, the Rodney King riots, and people shooting people over gas lines in the 70s. A major event that occurs without warning (like a major earthquake) has a good potential of having pockets of serious lawlessness if it goes on for a few days without aid, Katrina being a case in point.

The guns in society today have been about the same in capability for 100 years. I don't seem them as the seminal factor, but things have indeed changed for the worse.

stuntcat

(12,022 posts)
13. That would interrupt everyone's tv time
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:09 PM
Dec 2012

We won't have a real civil war, I'm pretty sure. But things are not looking up from here. The next few decades will be a mess, in so many ways.
I hope I'm wrong in thinking times like now will look like the peaceful good ol' days.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
14. In the medium term, something is going to break, we've passed the point of tension where
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:21 PM
Dec 2012

something has got to give. We have a completely insulated and out of touch ruling class guarded by an avaricious gatekeeper class that are served by what was once a middle class that has slipped into fantasy. Below all of that is an unacknowledged, massive underclass that is absolutely seething.

I believe that your some variation is inevitable. All of the players that have disconnected from reality are oblivious, and while history dictates that we are approaching a breaking point, we are not likely to see anything that resembles, except in the most general terms, what has gone before, i.e American civil war, French revolution, or Soviet Union collapse,

 

cbrer

(1,831 posts)
15. HEY! Toss in Global climate change (competition for resources)
Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:24 PM
Dec 2012

AND just for good measures, a foreign policy that pisses off people with growing access to higher tech. weapons.

The recipe might be coming together.

But the "doomsday preppers" are such nuts...

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