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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:28 PM

Civil War - Or Some Variation..

Does anyone else here have a sense that we are on the verge of some sort of civil war. I have this feeling that exists just under the surface that we are in for some rough times. Between the whole gun issue and recent economic talk...I feel that we are at critical place in our history.

Is anyone else feeling a sense of doom...or at least a sense of unease?

Paige

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Reply Civil War - Or Some Variation.. (Original post)
WiffenPoof Dec 2012 OP
Summer Hathaway Dec 2012 #1
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #2
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #3
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #4
Earth_First Dec 2012 #5
southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #6
Jim Warren Dec 2012 #7
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8
TheMastersNemesis Dec 2012 #9
pipoman Dec 2012 #10
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #11
orpupilofnature57 Dec 2012 #12
stuntcat Dec 2012 #13
Egalitarian Thug Dec 2012 #14
cbrer Dec 2012 #15

Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:30 PM

1. Nope. n/t

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:31 PM

2. I see a fragmentation of the Union as more likely...

...but not necessarily one which involved outright warfare (or even much in the way of violence). Something more along the lines of the end of the Soviet Union, with the US as currently constituted breaking up into regional polities. Call it a half-dozen...maybe eight.

I'm completely okay with this, too.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:33 PM

3. If it does happen it's going to be a world class FUBAR

Things aren't nearly as simple as they were in 1861

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:35 PM

4. Very important point.

If we do have some sort of civil war, it's not going to include the stark geographic divisions of the previous one, as your map clearly shows. Like you say, the mother of all FUBARS...

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:35 PM

5. Nope.

Not one bit.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:38 PM

6. Yes I have been feeling it for awhile. I don't know what is going to happen. We in

 

my family can't afford to buy extra food and supplies if something happens. We don't even have guns in our home. I live in rural Tn and I just don't know.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:38 PM

7. A sense of unease, yes.

but where would the lines be drawn? It'd be like playing 3 dimensional chess wouldn't it?

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:40 PM

8. Yup

We have been moving towards it for a few years now.

The trend started truly in 1996 and Gingrich dictat.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:43 PM

9. I Have Been Saying That We Have Been In A Political Civil War For Months

And if you really look at what has been going on we have been in one since Obama was elected. The attacks on him and any liberal agenda have been fierce. We have gotten little accomplished in 4 years compared to what could have been done.

Even though Obama acts like a Republican in some ways, he has been labled a socialist, communist, Islamist etc. He is destroying the country in the eyes of conservatives.

You can go back to Reagan when everything changed and Newt Gingrich lent his hand in the obstructionist evolution. All you have to do is look at red and blue states and how they are divided. Look at all the states that refuse to implement the Affordable Care Act.

We are split in so many directions it is not even funny. The gun issue is even more divisive than other issues. Expect a particularly vicious and divisive fight as we try to move forward on sensible gun control.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:47 PM

10. No

maybe an alliance between occupy types and teabagger types...they do have issues in common and together would be a force to be reckoned with...

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:53 PM

11. I am a little tiny prepper and I think that a major problem could push some over the edge

By tiny, I mean, a week or a bit more, like FEMA suggests, vice the TEOTAWAKI idiots on Doomsday Prepper show. I live in SoCal so those who don't prep a little are damn fools. The big one is coming.

I remember the NYC power riots, the Rodney King riots, and people shooting people over gas lines in the 70s. A major event that occurs without warning (like a major earthquake) has a good potential of having pockets of serious lawlessness if it goes on for a few days without aid, Katrina being a case in point.

The guns in society today have been about the same in capability for 100 years. I don't seem them as the seminal factor, but things have indeed changed for the worse.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 07:54 PM

12. Antebellum isn't an era, it's a mental disease .

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:09 PM

13. That would interrupt everyone's tv time

We won't have a real civil war, I'm pretty sure. But things are not looking up from here. The next few decades will be a mess, in so many ways.
I hope I'm wrong in thinking times like now will look like the peaceful good ol' days.

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:21 PM

14. In the medium term, something is going to break, we've passed the point of tension where

 

something has got to give. We have a completely insulated and out of touch ruling class guarded by an avaricious gatekeeper class that are served by what was once a middle class that has slipped into fantasy. Below all of that is an unacknowledged, massive underclass that is absolutely seething.

I believe that your some variation is inevitable. All of the players that have disconnected from reality are oblivious, and while history dictates that we are approaching a breaking point, we are not likely to see anything that resembles, except in the most general terms, what has gone before, i.e American civil war, French revolution, or Soviet Union collapse,

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Response to WiffenPoof (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 08:24 PM

15. HEY! Toss in Global climate change (competition for resources)

 

AND just for good measures, a foreign policy that pisses off people with growing access to higher tech. weapons.

The recipe might be coming together.

But the "doomsday preppers" are such nuts...

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