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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:28 PM

WHY AREN'T WE MARCHING ON THE WHITE HOUSE???

I have no words for Social Security being on the table. I have no words for burning down your own house. I have no words for immolating your own coalition.

It's hard for me to find words to express my anger.

But words are just words.

Republicans ignore mass gatherings of people, but the Dems, fatally flawed though they appear to be, are responsive to being told, "we are serious about this."

Forget online petitions. Forget whining on Facebook.

We need 100,000 people in front of the White House saying, "NO WAY."

That this would be a despicable betrayal.

We need boots on the ground.

I think they're looking out the windows of the WH wondering if we're coming. We need to show up and be seen and heard.

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Reply WHY AREN'T WE MARCHING ON THE WHITE HOUSE??? (Original post)
jsmirman Dec 2012 OP
taught_me_patience Dec 2012 #1
jsmirman Dec 2012 #9
taught_me_patience Dec 2012 #39
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #12
SugarShack Dec 2012 #26
Matariki Dec 2012 #27
woo me with science Dec 2012 #35
Marr Dec 2012 #36
eShirl Dec 2012 #31
sharp_stick Dec 2012 #2
Itchinjim Dec 2012 #7
jsmirman Dec 2012 #8
sharp_stick Dec 2012 #11
jsmirman Dec 2012 #14
sharp_stick Dec 2012 #15
jsmirman Dec 2012 #16
Marr Dec 2012 #37
ananda Dec 2012 #3
No Compromise Dec 2012 #10
zappaman Dec 2012 #4
jsmirman Dec 2012 #5
plethoro Dec 2012 #6
jsmirman Dec 2012 #13
former9thward Dec 2012 #17
jsmirman Dec 2012 #18
former9thward Dec 2012 #20
MineralMan Dec 2012 #19
jsmirman Dec 2012 #29
leftstreet Dec 2012 #21
dennis4868 Dec 2012 #22
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #23
jsmirman Dec 2012 #30
Hotler Dec 2012 #24
LongTomH Dec 2012 #25
Doctor_J Dec 2012 #28
leftstreet Dec 2012 #33
Speck Tater Dec 2012 #32
msongs Dec 2012 #34
jsmirman Dec 2012 #38

Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:29 PM

1. maybe because the chained CPI is minor

and this whole thing is much ado about nothing. There are protections for low income seniors.

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

9. Everyone educated on this issue who I have spoken to

and this includes people who work on this stuff for a living, see it as a benefit cut, period.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 06:51 PM

39. Most people I talk to see it as a minor cut

and it's part of compromise. It might about to $125/mo ten years from now... not enough to get worked up over.

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:45 PM

12. Fuck you for not being hyperbolic! nt

 

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:20 PM

26. The timing for budgets is right before Christmas, like counting votes over Thanksgiving, We're busy.

 



But it's true. The timing is by design for this work.

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:22 PM

27. Ah, first it was "unfounded rumor", now its "much ado about nothing".

Got it. We can go back to our web surfing and not worry about it until it's too late.

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Response to Matariki (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:55 PM

35. It's the Third Way shift

from denial to rationalization.

The choreography gets very old...

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Response to Matariki (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:58 PM

36. Give it a few days and it will be "pragmatic and adult".

Eventually, it'll be Great©.

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Response to taught_me_patience (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:50 PM

31. "There are protections for low income seniors."

Like what?

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:30 PM

2. Because you're sitting in front of your

computer... Get going... Right now!!!!!

C'mon I want to see you in front of the White House on the news tonight protesting something that hasn't happened yet. It'll be epic, I promise.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:42 PM

7. lol!

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:42 PM

8. Because an expression of popular will never influenced a negotiation

and it's always just better to wait to complain until it's too late.

You're really exactly as clever as you think you are, aren't you?

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:44 PM

11. I see you're still there

tsk tsk tsk

All I see is you doing is saying "Why aren't people doing this and that".

If you want to be taken seriously organize a trip don't castigate others for not doing what you aren't doing.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:45 PM

14. Uh, you need to organize FIRST

Einstein.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #14)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:47 PM

15. So get busy

charlie.

I don't see any invitations to the party.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #15)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:50 PM

16. Working on it

interested to see what the will was like around here, just out of curiosity, not that I have a lot of confidence that most here would get off their rear ends.

But now would be a good time.

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Response to sharp_stick (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 03:00 PM

37. And how seriously should we take people who sit on the sidelines and laugh?

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:31 PM

3. Good question.

Because the people most affected can't march. They are the disabled, the poor who can't take off work and have no slack anyway, the elderly who can't afford transportation, and so on.

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Response to ananda (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:43 PM

10. good point

 


We need to march on the White House to support our elders and those who are suffering the most.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:33 PM

4. I'm tired. n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:41 PM

5. I'm mad

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:41 PM

6. Most people don't know about it. If it comes you'll see an

 

answer, I hope. If not, we are doomed as is the Democratic Party. Many here have stated that the cut to Social Security will end the Party. I think that will happen too. The Republicans will need only one talking point.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:45 PM

13. I've already asked where they'll be sending my refund

bug me every day for money, get me to pony up $5k for Dem candidates, and plenty of that was for the Pres, and then stab me in the back?

DIRTY.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:51 PM

17. We don't march on the White House for the same reason

the anti-war movement disappeared on Jan. 20, 2009.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:00 PM

18. UGH

I think I was about as stout a supporter as you could find for the Pres in the months leading up to the election.

That doesn't mean I support Obama instead of what I believe in.

Or that he is what I believe in.

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Response to jsmirman (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:07 PM

20. I'm sure what you are saying is true.

But its a fact the anti-war movement has disappeared the last four years even as the endless and worthless war in Afghanistan slogs on.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:06 PM

19. Make your sign and start marching.

I don't know where you live, but if you're planning to go march in front of the White House, just do it. Others will follow. If you're not planning to go there and march with your sign, then you're just saying, "Let's you and him fight." I can't go to Washington to march. So, I'm communicating with the White house and all of my legislators. That's something I can do.

If you're going to say "why aren't we marching?" it will be more authentic if you are already there marching. Have you ever protested in front of the White House? I have. Now, I'm too far from there, and can't afford to get there.

Be a leader. Be the first.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:43 PM

29. Dude, it's a short stroll. I assure you, I will be there. But I am trying to organize something

a lot bigger than just me.

I don't expect you to keep track of people, but I put my money where my mouth is ALWAYS.

That's why I gave what I gave during the election cycle.

That's why I campaigned for Obama in Virginia.

That's why I took an all night bus and returned on an all day drive through a snowstorm to campaign for Elizabeth Warren on Monday and then Election Day.

That's why I begged and pleaded and organized everyone I could to get out and volunteer in Ohio and Florida.

I think my bona fides on that count are kind of beyond question.

I did get some good suggestions for who to work with from a knowledgeable friend.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:10 PM

21. 'We're disappointed in our Lesser Evilism!'

You're asking people who just voted for Obama why they're not marching on the WH?

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:11 PM

22. maybe because

the changes will not in any way effect the most vulnerable..a special exception will be made for them...This according to the WH.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:12 PM

23. Feel free to go. What are you waiting for?

Or do you want everyone else to do it for you?

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #23)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:46 PM

30. You must be out of your

mind.

Have a look up thread. I live my life doing what I say I'll do. I hope you do, too.

Man, these responses are just so wild.

Remember the two threads pinned at the top of the board trying to organize people to go to Ohio and Florida or get out and volunteer there? Yeah, that was me.

And that's one small piece of everything I do.

Flat out, I have earned the right at this point (which I am stunned to realize - I didn't think I'd ever be this) to call myself a fucking activist.

And your post is obnoxious and stupid. Yes, a protest of one would be oh so effective on this issue.

When did it get so dumb around here?

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:14 PM

24. I've been told here many times.....

that mass protest will not work. No matter what the issue is. We can get 50-60 thousand people to fill a football stadium on Suinday and 100,000 at a NASCAR race but we can't get a feww hundred dems into the streets.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:17 PM

25. I think there will be local demonstrations around the US

There was a small, protest against the 'Fiscal Cliff' here in Kansas City, Mo last Saturday. Cuts to Social Security and Medicare were part of what we were protesting.

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:30 PM

28. Look around. A huge portion of DU is cheering the cuts

If Obama announces tomorrow that he's going to nuke Palestine, half of DU would be explaining how that's really necessary.

This is how a party becomes irrelevant - absolutely no morals

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #28)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:51 PM

33. I wouldn't say huge

I agree with what you say, but the DLCThirdWayers are a relatively small group here. They're just noisy. (They're particularly strident right now, but it seems they got caught off guard with the chained CPI thing. Not the sharpest tools in the shed)

Fear not! The left-leaning will start coming back to the site as this unravels

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:50 PM

32. What!?! And miss American Idol and Survivor? You must be crazy!!! nt

 

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Response to jsmirman (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:53 PM

34. if you're gonna march on the white house, bring lots of $$, that's what has influence nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 04:02 PM

38. I think enough of their base being seriously hacked off might have some meaning

seriously, they figured out how volunteerism and a motivated base wins elections. They will destroy both if they do this.

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