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Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:22 PM

FUCK THIS SHIT -- just heard the President DEFENDING putting SS/Medicare on the block...

. . . while at the same time insisting that middle class tax rates must not rise.

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Reply FUCK THIS SHIT -- just heard the President DEFENDING putting SS/Medicare on the block... (Original post)
markpkessinger Dec 2012 OP
leftstreet Dec 2012 #1
Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #2
markpkessinger Dec 2012 #7
Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #13
SugarShack Dec 2012 #18
Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #25
ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #3
spanone Dec 2012 #6
ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #9
Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #16
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #17
ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #19
CakeGrrl Dec 2012 #20
ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #21
mattclearing Dec 2012 #24
NYC Liberal Dec 2012 #22
ChisolmTrailDem Dec 2012 #23
Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #26
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #4
markpkessinger Dec 2012 #12
librechik Dec 2012 #5
markpkessinger Dec 2012 #8
WI_DEM Dec 2012 #10
markpkessinger Dec 2012 #11
No Compromise Dec 2012 #15
marew Dec 2012 #27
Sarah Ibarruri Dec 2012 #14
Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #28
MjolnirTime Dec 2012 #29
JimDandy Dec 2012 #30
patrice Dec 2012 #31

Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:23 PM

1. Do we know if he understands what SS really is?

This is the same person who once said these programs were started for 'widows and orphans.'

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:24 PM

2. source please

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:27 PM

7. I'm watching his live Press Conference on ABC n/t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #7)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:53 PM

13. Thanks!

Just needed to know where it was coming from, not doubting you.

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Response to Kelvin Mace (Reply #2)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:31 PM

18. Here's plenty of sources for O's plan over the last two days! He said it in debate too!

 

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Response to SugarShack (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:07 PM

25. No, I didn't ignore it

I was asking for a source for the quote.

I have said all along that the Vichy Dems would sell us down the river after the election, and gotten a LOT of grief for having that opinion.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:24 PM

3. Deleted.

Last edited Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Completely blew up in my face.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #3)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:25 PM

6. bullshit. he said no such thing.

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Response to spanone (Reply #6)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:30 PM

9. Yes, he did. He just now said it on TV. Quote:

"Now keep in mind, I'm in that income category. I'd love to...you know...not...not pay as much in taxes."

Will you apologize in good faith?

Keep in mind, I have been an Obama supporter since his appearance at the 2004 Democratic convention. So I'm not saying this as an Obama hater.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:22 PM

16. Is that the entire quote?

I've heard him say similar things while making a larger point that his income bracket HAS to pay higher taxes.

thx

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:27 PM

17. Bullshit. Be honest and post the full quote:

But you know, we're right there. And on the revenue side, there's a difference in terms of them wanting to preserve tax breaks for folks between 250(,000 dollars) and a million (dollars) that we just can't afford. I mean, keep in mind, I'm in that income category. I'd love to -- you know, not -- not pay as much in taxes. But I also think it's the right thing to do for us to make sure that people who have less, people who are working, people who are striving, people who, you know, are hoping for their kids, that they have opportunity.


You left out everything he said before and after, which is that as much as he'd like to pay less in taxes (duh, everyone would in a perfect world), we cannot afford to do that if we are going to cut taxes for the middle class.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:36 PM

19. I wasn't talking about what he said before or after. I was

talking about that particular sentence. Also, I was posting as fast as I could and didn't actually hear what he said after.

I have found since joining DU that my reservations as a lurker about joining have been realized. There are just too many land mines in here.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:38 PM

20. Context matters.

Guess it's too much to leave the misinformation to the likes of Fox News.

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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #20)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:40 PM

21. That comment was completely uncalled for. I am deleting my original comment

and I am going back in to lurk mode.

There is just too much hate here.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:58 PM

24. There's a difference between hate and debate.

I wouldn't take it personally.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:45 PM

22. Except there's a "But..." right after that sentence.

So not posting that is dishonest.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:55 PM

23. I deleted my original comment.

I admit that when I heard him say that I immediately turned to post it while it was fresh in my mind and didn't hear anything for a few minutes after that. Just goes to show that no matter how careful I think I'm being to avoid conflict on here it's going to happen one way or another, even at my hands and even to the extent of being compared to Fox News, which I simply cannot bear.

I let down my guard simply by attempting to participate. Instead of making spontaneous comments I will now double- and triple-check myself or simply not comment at all. There are just too many landmines I'd prefer to avoid as I prefer a pleasant experience to one like this thread, which now I deeply regret.

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Response to ChisolmTrailDem (Reply #19)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:10 PM

26. Post in haste

repent at leisure.

Don't let it get you down. But, if you are going to quote folk, make sure you get the exact quote and the context, as it bolsters your argument.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:24 PM

4. "Some things Democrats don't agree with"

 

Does not translate to SS/Medicare cuts.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #4)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:00 PM

12. And it was in answer to a question about what his response was ...

... to those who felt betrayed by his putting Social Security and Medicare on the block. So in the context of the question he was answering, yes, it certainly DOES translate to SS/Medicare cuts!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:25 PM

5. you are not listening to the same news conference I am.

Let's agree that some folks see all sorts of things that aren't really there.

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Response to librechik (Reply #5)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:28 PM

8. And others are burying their heads in the sand n?t

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #8)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:30 PM

10. no deals have been made so this is just a lot of speculation on your part.

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Response to WI_DEM (Reply #10)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:34 PM

11. And if we wait until a deal has been made to sound the alarm . . .

. . . it will be too fucking late. And the rationale the President proffered in response to a question about betraying his campaign promise not to touch Social Security is most certainly NOT my speculation. The offer he has put on the table to Boehner has been covered in the press,. and the President did not qualify those reports in the least. Open your eyes!

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:19 PM

15. exactly

 

+100000

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #11)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:13 PM

27. Accurate post! Thank you!

This has been covered by multiple sources but people are in denial big time and being very nasty about it!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:01 PM

14. Makes me sick. nt

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:13 PM

28. We used to have this guy called Crazy TV Lenny on local television. Lenny was offering to throw

in a crazy amount of extras if only he could get you to come in to the store and buy a sofa and love seat.



Obama has gone Crazy TV Lenny on us. The sound clip I keep hearing on NPR News has him proclaiming just how much he's willing to give away. He's gonna give away way more than most dems want to hear and what many repukes want to hear about. This is nuts. I think he may well be the republican he told us he was. He's further right on this issue than St. Ronnie for fuck's sake!

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:15 PM

29. another Rumplestiltskin thread... nice.

 

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:22 PM

30. Really, why did I expect anything better from him.

A weak failed leader all the way to the bitter end of term 1. But, he'll be Sooooo much better next term.

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Response to markpkessinger (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:27 PM

31. "... middle class tax rates must not rise." You can thank Nancy Pelosi for planting that bad seed.nt

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