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Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:58 PM

Ron Paul’s “South Was Right” Civil War Speech With Confederate Flag

http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-paul-made-south-was-right-civil-war-speech-with-confederate-flag/
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Ron Paul has made no secret the fact that he thought that the South was right in the Civil War. Here he is giving a speech in front of a giant Confederate Flag about why he believes the North was wrong in the Civil War and why the South was right.

Ron Paul is a neo-Confederate, and proud member of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, which has been labeled as a neo-Confederate organization. In the video he claims that the North should have paid to buy slaves from southern slave owners to avoid the war, rather than the South renouncing slavery. Paul also fails to bring up the fact that it was the South that started the war by attacking the North in 1861.

Ron Paul was also was the only member of congress to vote against honoring the Civil Rights Act Of 1964 in on its 40th anniversary in 2004. Paul would also claim that he wouldn’t have voted for it at the time, putting him on the side of the racists in both the fight against slavery and the fight against Jim Crow segregation, the two defining struggles of Black people in America.

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Reply Ron Paul’s “South Was Right” Civil War Speech With Confederate Flag (Original post)
malaise Jan 2012 OP
arely staircase Jan 2012 #1
Wind Dancer Jan 2012 #4
arely staircase Jan 2012 #6
CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #14
_ed_ Jan 2012 #22
whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #15
arely staircase Jan 2012 #17
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #36
redqueen Jan 2012 #37
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #38
arely staircase Jan 2012 #42
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #44
arely staircase Jan 2012 #46
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #49
arely staircase Jan 2012 #50
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #52
arely staircase Jan 2012 #41
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #45
arely staircase Jan 2012 #47
Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #48
FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #2
Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #27
FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #35
Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #43
MarianJack Jan 2012 #3
malaise Jan 2012 #5
yardwork Jan 2012 #23
Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #29
kemah Jan 2012 #32
Leopolds Ghost Jan 2012 #28
patrice Jan 2012 #7
malaise Jan 2012 #9
muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #8
malaise Jan 2012 #18
Odin2005 Jan 2012 #10
provis99 Jan 2012 #11
Dash Riprock Jan 2012 #20
nanabugg Jan 2012 #12
JoePhilly Jan 2012 #13
Dash Riprock Jan 2012 #21
Scurrilous Jan 2012 #16
snappyturtle Jan 2012 #19
spanone Jan 2012 #24
Greybnk48 Jan 2012 #25
malaise Jan 2012 #26
Cali_Democrat Jan 2012 #30
Raffi Ella Jan 2012 #31
kemah Jan 2012 #33
malaise Jan 2012 #40
guitar man Jan 2012 #34
malaise Jan 2012 #51
ieoeja Jan 2012 #39

Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:06 PM

1. but that glen grennwald dude digs him. nt

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #1)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:21 PM

4. Wrong!

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Response to Wind Dancer (Reply #4)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:39 PM

6. uh huh

"(E)ven though I don’t support him for President, Ron Paul is the only major candidate from either party advocating crucial views on vital issues that need to be heard, and so his candidacy generates important benefits." Glenn Greenwald.

Video: Ron Paul Gives Speech on Civil War in Front of Giant Confederate Flag
One of the remaining Republican Presidential candidates spouts Civil War revisionism, standing in front of a Dixie flag
http://newsone.com/nation/casey-gane-mccalla/ron-paul-made-south-was-right-civil-war-speech-with-confederate-flag/


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Response to arely staircase (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:35 PM

14. Now, now, don't pick on poor Glenn

Can you blame him for overlooking that neo-Confederate thing? There are OTHER important reasons to cherry-pick for his support of Paul. Come on!



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Response to CakeGrrl (Reply #14)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:34 AM

22. If you read Glenn Greenwald and you think that he's supporting Paul,

either your reading comprehension is atrocious, or you're an outright liar. See below. Which is it?

"So potent is this poison that no inoculation against it exists. No matter how expressly you repudiate the distortions in advance, they will freely flow. Hence: I’m about to discuss the candidacies of Barack Obama and Ron Paul, and no matter how many times I say that I am not “endorsing” or expressing support for anyone’s candidacy, the simple-minded Manicheans and the lying partisan enforcers will claim the opposite. But since it’s always inadvisable to refrain from expressing ideas in deference to the confusion and deceit of the lowest elements, I’m going to proceed to make a couple of important points about both candidacies even knowing in advance how wildly they will be distorted."

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/31/progressives_and_the_ron_paul_fallacies/

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #6)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 08:11 PM

15. One of the things I appreciate about liberals

is their ability for nuanced thought. That ability, and the desire to get things right, should promote intellectual honesty. Presenting Greenwald's quote as a blanket endorsement of all of Paul's views is dishonest, dim, or both. I think Paul is unfit for any public office, but like Greenwald I would rather have someone (*anyone*) talk about these issues than no one. Witch hunts and blacklists are dispiriting. Who want's to part of a movement that employs these tactics?

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Response to whatchamacallit (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 11:17 PM

17. david duke may have some good ideas reducing green house gasses - but who cares?

you are being dishonest by claiming i said greenwald endorses all of paul's views. my point is clearly that greenwald made an ass of himself by saying ANYTHING good about ron paul. paul is a white supremacists who shouldn't be congratulated for anything - and anyone who does is a jackass. ounting out glenn greenwald made an ass of himself by defending a white supremacists is not blacklisting him (not the first white supremacist he has defended by the way, but the other one was for money so it doesn't count)

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #17)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:49 PM

36. If David Duke has good ideas about reducing green house gasses and he were the only candidate

speaking about it, we as a society would be insane not to care about them, just because the messenger was flawed.

The tragedy isn't that a racist ie;Paul speaks against racist policies ie; "War on Drugs" it's that the "non-racists" have failed for so long to do so.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:51 PM

37. Kucinich has stopped talking about them?

I didn't know that.

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Response to redqueen (Reply #37)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:57 PM

38. I never said Kucinich has stopped but to my knowledge he isn't running for the Presidency

My proposition was based on an only if and of the major candidates running today.

I haven't heard any of the other current candidates for Presidency in either party speak against the "War on Drugs" as racist policy.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #38)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:13 PM

42. nor have you heard ron paul call it racist nt

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #44)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:47 AM

46. i stand corrected.

though edited to note he did so when it was brought to light that he himself was a racist.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #46)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 12:04 PM

49. That first video came out in 1988.

The question shouldn't be why does an alleged racist oppose an obviously racist drug policy, it should be why do the "non-racist" candidates support said racist policy?

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #49)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:34 PM

50. Not everyone agrees it is racist I certainly do

But that doesn't mean everyone or even most people who support drug prohibition are racist because they just don't see it through that lens and the fact is Ron Paul does not advocate an end to the drug war only the federal government's participation in it. If alabama wants to lock you up for 100 years for smoking a joint he has no problem with that.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #50)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:05 PM

52. You and I both agree that Drug War policy is racist because we're intelligent, informed and

the facts are clearly on our side.

I realize everyone doesn't believe that, but everyone doesn't believe in anything and more people even "drug warriors" are coming around to our way of thinking everyday.

So the question becomes which is the stronger entity, a state (s) or the federal government?

I believe the federal government is clearly stronger in scope, resources, geography, economic and martial means.

Now if Paul believes this racist drug policy should be up to the states, at least that's a weaker version of a bad policy with institutions which will be easier to either change or avoid.

If Alabama wants to lock people up for a 100 years for smoking a doobie, (which I doubt will happen) I suspect A. many people will be leaving the state and B. there will be heavy pressure brought on Alabama to embrace more equitable justice both from within the state and beyond.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #36)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:11 PM

41. i disagree. i think white supremacists should be either shunned

or ridiculed. their racism places them beyond the pale as far as i'm concerned.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #41)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 02:45 AM

45. Apparently you believe in throwing the baby (good idea) out with the bathwater (racism)

that only leads to a lot of dead babies and vultures on your front lawn.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #45)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 07:51 AM

47. i wouldn't return to jim crow in exchange for ending the fedral drug war - because that's part of

the ron paul bathwater.

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Response to arely staircase (Reply #47)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 11:53 AM

48. That's the bathwater; which is thrown out. If a person has racist views, you challenge,

debate, berate, cajole, influence against and condemn those views or "bad ideas" a person isn't inherently evil because they're racist, they're evil because they hold racist views and people can change.

Should you not try to change them or society in general, they will be left in the dark to fester and spread their poisonous ideas.

We weren't talking about accepting racism, we were talking about accepting good ideas; no matter its' source.

In the case I listed above that would be reducing green house gases, which in turn could save civilization as we know it and make no mistake about it, minorities and the poor will be the first to suffer from the ever growing catastrophe of global warming climate change.



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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:09 PM

2. Paulbots killed OWS.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #2)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:19 PM

27. Wow. I've seen posts by you attacking OWS and now you claim Paulbots "killed" OWS

Despite the fact that the Occupy movement is very much ongoing.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #27)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:45 PM

35. You've seen posts by me attacking OWS?! LOL. That's HILARIOUS!

I've wrote extensively on DU2 about my support for OWS, especially in my journal, (which seems to have not been transferred over) I attended OWS rally's on Wall Street 11x even taking photos and videos now being used by people making OWS documentaries, and my female cousin who lives in California is the creator/graphic designer of the very first and MOST iconic OWS posters to date.

LOL. The "amazing" stuff people convince themselves of sometimes is mind-boggling. You must have me confused with someone else.

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Response to FarLeftFist (Reply #35)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:01 PM

43. I guess I must have. What makes you feel that way about OWS?

And just curious but was your cousin working for Adbusters or one of those linked in websites,
or how did she get involved in designing the first poster for OWS?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:19 PM

3. And yet,...

...many HERE are still fascinated with this racist jerk!

PEACE!

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #3)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:35 PM

5. He is a racist

What a bunch -they are all racists

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Response to malaise (Reply #5)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:38 AM

23. Every single one of the current Republican candidates is a blatant racist. It's incredible.

Newt, Romney, Paul, Santorum - they have each in recent weeks made very deliberate, highly racist comments. This is all the Republicans have got. It isn't going to work. It might win them the South Carolina primary, but it is not going to win the general election, despite the Republicans' concerted effort to ban all people of color from the polls.

These people are loathesome. Loathesome. And the rest of the country is starting to see it.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #23)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:27 PM

29. Newt is the worst of the bunch in my opinion.

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Response to Leopolds Ghost (Reply #29)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:34 PM

32. Newt is just being racist because it furthers his mission and his pocket book

A lot of those right wing speakers, radio hosts, just do it for the money. They micro market themselves and just push the agenda to make as much money as possible. Look at Rush, he is so homophobic yet he paid Elton John $1 million to play at his wedding. When Elton got grief from his fans, he donated the money to the LBGT causes.

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Response to MarianJack (Reply #3)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:27 PM

28. I'm not fascinated by him, but I admit it'd be interesting to see how he'd split the RW vote

if he ran 3rd party.

The downside is he would cause divisiveness between Dems and Occupy since the
"anarcho-capitalist" libertarian wing of Occupy (not a huge camp, mind you) very
much are Paul fans.

I suspect most folks don't know about Paul's racial attitudes. Plenty of right-libertarians are virulent racists, though, sadly.
Guess who all those neo-fascist "militia" types are these days? Self-styled right-libertarians.

Just because someone sports a Guy Fawkes mask or other anon symbol doesn't make them a Paulite.
If they're wearing a Fawkes mask in public the chances go up, though.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 05:26 PM

7. Thanks for this!

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Response to patrice (Reply #7)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 06:05 PM

9. Any time

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 05:41 PM

8. He claims governments need the consent of the governed

and completely ignores that slaves were never asked about their consent at all. He really is the most clueless candidate on civil liberties - more so than, say, Perry. Paul has a fetish for states' rights.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #8)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:33 AM

18. Well they are not quite human

for folks like Ron the racist.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 06:27 PM

10. Fuck Ron Paul. Fuck anyone who supports Ron Paul.

And especially fuck anyone who flies that evil, treasonous flag around.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:16 PM

11. Lincold DID offer to buy the slaves of the border states.

 

Not a single slaveowner in Missouri, Kentucky, Delaware, or Maryland took him up on the offer. Not one.

So shut the fuck up, Paul you lying bastard.

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Response to provis99 (Reply #11)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:59 AM

20. Maybe Ron Paul needs a good historian,

like Newt Gingrich to set him straight.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:18 PM

12. But, but, but he wants to legalize pot! nt

 

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 07:22 PM

13. Ron Paul wanted to spend Federal tax dollars on a Slave Owner Bailout ...

apparently ... that's what he means when he talks about "protecting property rights".

Nut case.

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Response to JoePhilly (Reply #13)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 06:02 AM

21. Yes. I wonder where

buying slaves from their owners is written in the Constitution?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 10:04 PM

16. K & R

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:55 AM

19. Twisted and delusional. I can't believe he's running for any office. nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:39 AM

24. k&r...

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 09:46 AM

25. The racist/skinhead flag backdrop is a nice touch!

Thanks for posting this malaise. This guy hides from his past as much as possible and is the proverbial "wolf in sheep's clothing" with his "kindly" Dr. smile. I posted this on facebook.

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Response to Greybnk48 (Reply #25)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 01:24 PM

26. Yes indeed - love the backdrop

You're welcome

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:28 PM

30. I wonder how he's gonna try to squirm out of this one

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:34 PM

31. unbelievable, really.

I wonder if he is on the FBI watch list, if not he should be.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:37 PM

33. Ron Paul speaks what is in the heart of most of the GOP

He is their spokesperson. The rest of the GOP doesn't want to alienate the moderates so they just don't say aloud.

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Response to kemah (Reply #33)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:31 PM

40. 100% correct

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 02:38 PM

34. What an unfortunate video

It would have been a lot more dramatic if he had waited for his robe and hood to come back from the cleaners before he did it......

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Response to guitar man (Reply #34)

Tue Jan 24, 2012, 06:35 PM

51. LOL

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Mon Jan 23, 2012, 03:05 PM

39. Some in the Old South would have advocated putting Paul in chains.


Paul is of Germanic descent. The Normans viewed the various Germanic peoples as inferiors suitable for slaves themselves. During the Civil War some of the Southern aristocracy spoke of ending African slave trade after the war and raiding the North for Anglo-Saxon slaves instead.

But only as an interim solution until they conquered the north, ripped up the railroads, tore down the factories and carved it up into feudal domains with Anglo-Saxon peasants to til the land.


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