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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:58 PM

I was thinking. If I were an inner city minority I would be......

really pissed over the fact that their children are killed every week just sitting on the porch or walking down the street and no one seems to care. Now you have a shooting in suburbia and the nation goes ballistic.
We can't stop just addressing the gun nut faction but also seriously have to address illegal guns in the inner cities.
Maybe instead of gun buybacks they ought to give $100 to anyone that turns in someone with an illegal gun.
Just saying.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:06 PM

1. They won't talk to the cops , trusting cops to collect $100 for turning in gang members?

 

Not going to happen

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:09 PM

2. there was a white kid shot by his dad's gun accidentily going off, these things

happen among non minorities also and haven't made as much news as this case.

this case stands out because someone intentionally went out and killed little kids at their school.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:14 PM

3. Let's be fair: the circumstances here are more shocking than the slow but steady destruction

of minority children in urban areas.

If this exact same incident had happened on the South Side of Chicago, I suspect the reaction would be similar.

That said, you're completely right to highlight the out of control gun violence in our cities - gun violence fed by the "legal" gun industry through their various conduits to the black market, as every gun manufacturer well knows. Every gun manufacturer knows damn well how the legal gun trade in Indiana feeds the illicit market on the South Side, and they allow it and make it possible and profit off of it. Every gun dealer within a hundred miles of the border knows exactly what they're doing, and they don't care. That's the scandal. Obama did mention children in Chicago and Philadelphia in his speeches this weekend as well. Yes, Sandy Hook is the "occasional" tragedy, but it is only occasional if you ignore the endless grinding public health crisis of the everyday gun violence that we've allowed ourselves to live with for too long.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:12 PM

6. urban gun violence is actually way down in most cities; not really 'out of control'. and low-income

 

minorities are being pushed out of central cities via gentrification in most cities, NYC being the poster child for the process because it started first there.

I expect within 30 years most major cities will be majority white & upper-middle class.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:55 PM

7. That gun crime may be down over a long stretch doesn't mean it is under control

Perhaps you can accept hundreds of gun murders every year in a city like Chicago and say, ho hum, it's not "out of control" because it's a downward trend over 30 years. I disagree: it's an epidemic and absolutely out of control. "Not really 'out of control,'" you say? Come to Chicago and go hang out for a few days in Austin, in West Englewood, in East Garfield Park and tell me about how your nice narrative of decline in rates means gun violence is "under control." It's not. It's out of control. I stand by my point. Your additional narrative about gentrification is equally beside the point.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:59 PM

8. compared to what? violence in general & gun violence in particular is down in most cities since

 

the 90s. the comment about gentrification is hardly beside the point when the stereotypical 'inner cities' you talk about are a vanishing reality.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0_EkUabUNXQ/TotT8nBpyuI/AAAAAAAAAB8/z9mRfh1D2Q0/s1600/new+york+homicide+rate.jpg

NYC homicide rate 1900-2007



NYC, Houston, New orleans homicide 1965-2001



Chicago, NYC, London



Detroit & Rio de Janiero

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:01 PM

9. Once again, hundreds of gun murders a year is not a situation that's under control

Despite your trends.

We can do better.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:07 PM

10. "out of control" implies rising, not falling, rates of violence.

 

In 2009 America's crime rate was roughly the same as in 1968, with the homicide rate being at its lowest level since 1964. Overall, the national crime rate was 3466 crimes per 100,000 residents, down from 3680 crimes per 100,000 residents forty years earlier in 1969 (-9.4%).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States





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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:20 PM

4. i posted about this very thing several years ago.

it was about the violence that school age children face everyday in chicago. i got only a few replies to my post.
this year chicago`s streets gang warfare has been a bloodbath that has worked it`s way across northern il.

yes, no one seems to care but those who bury thier dead and have to rebuild their lives.

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Response to Bonhomme Richard (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:09 PM

5. I think you make a good point

At least as many inner city kids get killed in a month as the number who died in a mostly white richite suburban community, and nobody in the media seems to give a crap about that.

I guess it takes "important" people suffering to possibly make a difference, at least in news coverage.

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