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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsNancy Pelosi Predicts 'Democrats Will Stick With The President' On Fiscal Cliff Deal. REALLY?
Obama, according to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.), had also previously told fiscal cliff negotiators that "Social Security is not going to be part of this."
That, clearly, turned out to not be the case.
WASHINGTON -- House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) is convinced her fellow Democrats will get behind the White House's latest "fiscal cliff" deal that cuts Social Security benefits and increases taxes on the middle class. Others in the party, however, hedged on the likelihood of that provision passing with a majority of Democratic votes. President Barack Obama's latest offer in the fiscal cliff negotiations would allow the payroll tax holiday to expire, meaning middle-class workers will see smaller paychecks in 2013. It also proposes a Social Security reform known as "chained CPI" that would reduce the benefits senior citizens receive through Social Security.
Additionally, Obama's latest offer would permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for incomes of less than $400,000. Previously, the president had insisted that taxes increase on families with income above $250,000. Despite these changes, Pelosi said she could convince her caucus to get behind such a plan, if need be "Do you think you could sell it to your caucus?" MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell asked Pelosi in an interview on Tuesday. "I do," replied Pelosi, adding, "Yes, the Democrats will stick with the president -- and maybe not every single one of them."
Pelosi certainly knows the temperature of her caucus better than any other lawmaker. And if she predicts that chained CPI could make it through, the likelihood is that she knows she can rally the votes to get it through. But other top officials were holding off on judgment for the time being.
- In a comment to HuffPost, Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) said, "We had an election, and the voters sent a message to Congress to focus on jobs and fairness -- not cutting benefits for people who have worked all their lives and are now making ends meet on fixed incomes. The formula we use to adjust cost-of-living changes for seniors needs to reflect the real costs they face, not the budgetary fantasies of Washington." Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) called chained CPI "a benefit cut - pure and simple" in a statement on Tuesday. Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.) said it was "a Beltway fig leaf that I will never support." Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said "at this stage [it] is the wrong way to go." Progressive advocacy groups such as CREDO, MoveOn, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee and Social Security Works all responded to the president's latest offer saying Social Security cuts were unacceptable. Durbin, however, also told HuffPost a few weeks ago that he would be willing to consider chained CPI "in a much broader context, not by itself."
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/18/nancy-pelosi-fiscal-cliff_n_2324042.html
SCliberal091294
(213 posts)be happy about that
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,518 posts)Apparently Obama lied to us.
MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)MjolnirTime
(1,800 posts)Nothing is taken away.
Growth is slowed.
Segami
(14,923 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)daa
(2,621 posts)Drug prices go up 10% every year and there is no substitution effect. Blood bath in 2014 if this goes through.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,518 posts)I have not been calling him a liar for four years. It seems to me that he has done this sort of thing from time to time.
I am disappointed in him now, for going against what he campaigned on.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)'getting behind the president's proposal'. So who is lying again? Did the President say he would not back cuts to SS or not?
This proposal cuts SS benefits and it is outrageous.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)SugarShack
(1,635 posts)Fuck Obama....and why are you all surprised??? He's lied before for no reason...and now with NO reason, he fucks us again.
Why would he stop those from paying their share who make 250K-400K? The two wars have come due. Why should lower income workers pay porportionately more????? Like I said...fuck obama.
limousineliberal
(55 posts)if anything, poorer people don't pay their fare share. Top 1% of Americans pay 40% of all taxes. So many Americans pay little to no taxes at all. I am a democrat but can not stand the class warfare mentality in the party. Sickening.
You are only angry because you're not in that position. I guarantee you wouldn't feel like you don't pay your fair share of taxes if you earned >250k.
socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)but they make (and hoard) 90% of the wealth. In addition, the wealthiest have received ALL of the increase in wealth over the last 30 years while worker's wages have stagnated. THAT IS THE REAL CLASS WARFARE. And as to your assertion as to what I would "feel like" if I made that kind of income, that is incorrect. Paying an extra couple thousand dollars on any income over $250k wouldn't break me. Also, I could live EXTREMELY comfortably on a lot less than $250k annually.
BTW, the word is "fair" not "fare". If you're going to lecture the working class, at least spell correctly.
Also this is a RW talking point.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)When the Republicans had a much stronger hand in the negotiations. We probably would have gotten a raise in the Medicare age and chained CPI then.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)order to stop the lies about SS and to take it off the deficit table where it does not belong.
And of course the President now needs to let it be known that if such a travesty should pass the Senate, he will veto it as promised.
bowens43
(16,064 posts)I had a feeling that as soon as the election was over he would go back to being the weak yes man that he was prior to the election.
make no mistake, boner is calling the shots and obama is just standing saying 'yes sir, whatever you say sir'
Rocky888
(297 posts)And for us seniors in florida(my 60 yr old husband) cannot get affordable health care because Rick Scott has refused obamacare, this is a one way ticket to bankruptcy and poor health! We should not have to pay for the sins of the profiteers and their political allies with our future stability. I feel I have been betrayed by a party I have stood behind for all my adult life! And we have always lived within our means. Our modest home mortgage is our only debt.
leftstreet
(36,098 posts)any hints why?
MANative
(4,112 posts)there will be many voting Dems and Independents who will not be "sticking with" those who support this in the 2014 elections, myself included.
Called Chris Murphy's (D-5th Cong Dist, Sen-elect - CT) office in DC this afternoon to express my displeasure.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)I am thoroughly disgusted with this. I feel we have been lied too and sold out. i will be voting independent if the chained CPI goes through. Of course it will be to late by then.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Attitudes like that are what got us a House full of teabaggers in 2010 and put the president and House Dems in the position of having to deal with them.
MANative
(4,112 posts)important issues? I've only voted for exactly one Republican in more than thirty years of eligibility, a decent guy I knew personally for a local state senate race, but there are limits to my patience with betrayal.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)The latest is that the WH rejected Boehner's offer.
White House Rejects Boehners Fiscal Cliff Plan B
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022020334
Leave Social Security out of this madness. It has nothing to do with the deficit.
SugarShack
(1,635 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)latest offer was rejected by the WH and Pelosi.
Pelosi Statement on Republicans Plan B Tax Proposal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022022117
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)that there is a seperate deal that Obama is offering which is different than Boner's plan B because of the following line: "President Barack Obama's latest offer"
Why would she even be talking about it in an interview in regards to whether she would be beyond a deal if there is no deal being offered or a deal that has already been rejected?
"Additionally, Obama's latest offer would permanently extend the Bush tax cuts for incomes of less than $400,000. Previously, the president had insisted that taxes increase on families with income above $250,000. Despite these changes, Pelosi said she could convince her caucus to get behind such a plan, if need be "Do you think you could sell it to your caucus?" MSNBC host Andrea Mitchell asked Pelosi in an interview on Tuesday. "I do," replied Pelosi, adding, "Yes, the Democrats will stick with the president -- and maybe not every single one of them"
I would love to believe there is no deal already in the works based on this, but I think it would be a case of wishful denial.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)I have never trusted her.
SugarShack
(1,635 posts)If you want to get smart....Calif should take HER OUT in 2014.
forestpath
(3,102 posts)acquiesence.
Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Only hope Ried doesn't cave in Senate.
Can't Dem's use Fillibuster like Repubs do to block this deal in Senate?
forestpath
(3,102 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)Liberalynn
(7,549 posts)Track record is not so good on that.
Segami
(14,923 posts)clear majority in the Senate AFTER winning a convincing mandate from the voters......my question is:
Would Republicans exploit their election MANDATE and fight Democrats like rabid dogs in order to pass the Bush Tax Cuts?
Well, Obama was given a mandate by the voters to bulldoze over every republican obstacle & obstruction tactics in order to deliver his campaign promises.
If we stray from those promises, Democrats shouldn't be the least surprised if 2014 turns out to become another 2010 redux all over again.
patrice
(47,992 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)patrice
(47,992 posts)Reich, and Dean" I used to see here at the DU?
patrice
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RomneyLies
(3,333 posts)No cuts to Social Security. I EARNED that money!