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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWH Spokesman Carney: Chained CPI "Something Republicans Wanted"
Zeke Miller ?@ZekeJMiller (Buzzfeed)
Carney tries to say that Obama didnt put chained CPI on the table. This is something republicans wanted
ProSense
(116,464 posts)what I suspected.
I think the media reports are exploiting leaks of the negotiations to push the GOP line.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2020588
doc03
(35,325 posts)dawg
(10,624 posts)Right?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)The tax cuts for the rich were right wing ideology. If we don't repeal them all we leave a bit of that ideology in place. Cutting Social Security is right wing ideology. Chained CPI means giving into that ideology. We are not turning left but staying right
teddy51
(3,491 posts)If he is, then he is capitulating and he does not need to do that. We won the election, he is not running again.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)on this as well as the tax increases on the wealthiest.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022020334
Enrique
(27,461 posts)ProSense
(116,464 posts)media reports were quick to claim that everything being discussed was proposed by the President.
In fact, the timing made no sense. Politico first reported Boehner's offer (http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014338270#post4), which was rejected by the WH. A couple of day later, Boehner's offer is being reported as the President's, with no confirmation from anyone. Boehner rejects the rumored, offer and then comes up "Plan B"?
Two things don't make sense: President Obama countering an offer he rejected, and Boehner countering an offer he rejects by proposing the same thing.
Take out those two and the timeline makes sense: Obama makes an offer (original). Boehner counters (original). The President rejects it. Boehner comes back with an offer (Politico's report), which is rejected. Boehner offers "Plan B."
It seems to me that between the time the WH rejected the offer in Politico's report and Boehner returning with a new offer, the media exploited leaks of the negotiation to conflate Boehner's offer with the Presidents.
It was curious that Boehner was rejecting an offer that was not on the record. Boehner's current offer, "Plan B," is on the record, and so is the WH's rejection of the offer.
That is where things stand.
bigtree
(85,986 posts). . . that has this as a WH proposal.
Hell, we can argue about what we think the WH might accept all day and attribute anything at all to them. But, we already have the President's statements on SS and Medicare as a guide. Reports that run contrary to those statements shouldn't be considered credible unless and until the WH actually comes out and says so.
spanone
(135,818 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)If anyone votes for it they lose my money and my support. Period.
bigtree
(85,986 posts). . . but the WH hasn't come out and said they'd accept anything of the kind.
Stay off of the roof, Mr. President!
teddy51
(3,491 posts)his supporters wonder what he is really going to do.
bigtree
(85,986 posts). . . and respond publicly to them?
I don't think that's a smart way to negotiate.
teddy51
(3,491 posts)like it let them drive the car over the "so called" cliff. We won the election and the confidence of the American people.
bigtree
(85,986 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)They also want Bush's tax cuts to be permanent, but (hopefully) you guys are smart enough to know better................ right?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)was doing about it? Does Carney think it is news that the GOP wants this?
spanone
(135,818 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)care what the people want?
This is utterly ridiculous and weak and infuriating and a lot of other adjectives that are not safe for work.
former9thward
(31,974 posts)From 2011: Support for the so-called chained Consumer Price Index is proving to be a rare area of common ground between Republicans and Democrats in deficit reduction discussions, but some observers warn that adopting the alternative inflation measurement would lead to a stealth tax increase.
"It's a possibility, but no decision's been made," Senate Democratic Whip Richard J. Durbin of Illinois said of its inclusion in the deficit reduction package being negotiated in conjunction with raising the debt ceiling.
http://socialsecurity-works.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Tax-Policy-Analysis-Article-on-Chained-CPI.pdf
bigtree
(85,986 posts)Jamison Foser ?@jamisonfoser
Durbin calls chained CPI the wrong way to go. We ought to deal with Social Security in a separate conversation http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/18/dick-durbin-no-cut-in-social-security-benefits/
former9thward
(31,974 posts)That says it all.
bigtree
(85,986 posts)that should 'say it all'
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Why are the elderly being asked to pay for the huge bush tax cuts that directly caused this alleged deficit problem when the primary beneficiaries of those huge irresponsible tax cuts were the 1%?
Huh?
And for a followup, why would any of us accept this bullshit?
bigtree
(85,986 posts)I'm left cold by these invisible sources. Other can certainly determine their own standard of facts.
I'm really not into knocking around strawmen and tilting at windmills.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)madrchsod
(58,162 posts)well it`s that really something......
bigtree
(85,986 posts). . . infinitely more substantive and credible than 'details' from unnamed, unaffiliated sources.
JHB
(37,158 posts)bigtree
(85,986 posts). . . he'll need another invisible 'source familiar with the negotiations' for that.
He's not responding directly to rumors. Good for him.
Enrique
(27,461 posts)you claim in the other thread to be upset by "dishonesty and misinformation", but look what your quote leaves out:
But lets be clear, this is something that the Republicans have asked for, and as part of an effort to find common ground with the Republicans, the President has agreed to put this in his proposal -- agreed to have this as part of a broad deficit reduction package that includes asking the wealthiest to pay more so that we can achieve the kind of revenue targets that are necessary for a balanced approach to deficit reduction.
Melinda
(5,465 posts)http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/2chambers/wp/2012/12/17/what-is-chained-cpi/
Look back at Simpson Bowles. Sorry, but Democrats protect SS, they don't collude to destroy it.
jsr
(7,712 posts)FAIL.
librechik
(30,674 posts)please tell just the simple truth and stop straining for false equivalence.
Autumn
(45,052 posts)that comes straight from the White House. Just because the pukes wanted it.