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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:25 AM

 

Want an easy gun control solution? The NFA of 1934

Add Semi-Auto's, .50 Cals and Handguns to the list of title II weapons under NFA (The National Firearms Act of 1934).

Instant registration, it's been done before and it can be done again. We took new machineguns off of the market in 1986. If the droogs can't behave themselves after their items are entered into the NFA registry, then we'll ban those too.

NFA makes it easy. Almost every NFA violation carried HEAVY financial penalties and serious jail time.

Let's get serious on gun control. This is an easy first step.

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WastedSaint Dec 2012 OP
bossy22 Dec 2012 #1
WastedSaint Dec 2012 #2
bossy22 Dec 2012 #3
WastedSaint Dec 2012 #4
bossy22 Dec 2012 #5
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #7
bossy22 Dec 2012 #8
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #11
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #6
bossy22 Dec 2012 #9
MightyMopar Dec 2012 #10
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #12

Response to WastedSaint (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:41 AM

1. Easy first step?

see when things (i'll refrain from using the word I want to use) like this get proposed it just makes the whole situation worse. I have a question, why post this stuff? Does it release some sort of negativity, some anger? I don't get it. Wouldn't you want your ideas to be well thought-out?

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:53 AM

2. It's a turn key solution. The framework, agency and laws are already there.

 

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Response to WastedSaint (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:07 AM

3. but the political will isnt

You would have to get over the fact that the overwhelming majority of people support personal handgun ownership. the NFA was designed to pretty much defacto ban machine guns (think about how much $200 was back then). The NFA was never really designed to handle large volumes of transfers and records- hell, you can't even get a straight answer out of BATFE in regards to how many machine guns are registered (i believe they once admitted they are not quite sure)

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:12 AM

4. Interesting tidbit, the original draft of NFA included handguns. It's a natural fit.

 

If I had to choose, I'd rather we go after handguns first. They are used in far more deaths than any other firearm.

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Response to WastedSaint (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:22 AM

5. I was aware of that

And maybe if they started then you would be right. But they didnt, and the cat is out of the bag already. I guess we can chock it up to a "shoulda woulda coulda" scenario

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:29 AM

7. Approximately 50% of the people in this nation want stricter gun control laws, right now.

That number includes a great many handgun owners.

Tell me that the political will won't follow popular support.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:34 AM

8. I don't disagree

but I don't think what they have in mind is the NFA registry

It's obscure, no one knows about it, and it can't fit into a soundbite. and no politician is going to waste their time and political capital doing an experiment to see if you can take an obscure piece of bureaucracy and create a movement around it.

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:31 AM

11. ATF is already a functional part of Treasury.

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:24 AM

6. That's not a response, it's an attempt at deflection.

"It can't work!"

"It's too difficult!"

"It won't get passed!"

"No one wants it!"


Those are all the current Talking Points coming out from the NRA.

All wrong. All attempts to derail the discussion. All not true.

Expanding the NFA of 1934 would not only be doable, it would be workable. Only two, TWO legally owned automatic wepaons have been used in a shooting since it was enacted.

TWO.

All other infractions under the NFA were paperwork or registration violations.

Why would a responsible firearm owner be against that?

Reducing gun violence is in everyone's interest, gun owner or no.

The current owners of fully-automatic weapons and others that fall under the NAW seem to have no problem with being in compliance.

The law seems to be working just as intended, and has done do for a very long time now.

Just because you say that it cannot work, does not necessarily make it a fact.

Actually, the opposite just may be the truth.

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Response to Ikonoklast (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:39 AM

9. it's reality?

you know what also keeps crime down with NFA machine guns, the fact that they cost 20 grand and that there are less than 300,000 of them. the NFA isn't anything special, all it did (After the 1986 ban) was affect economics to make machine guns impossible to own- therefore a defacto ban

that is why it won't work. Handgun bans are unpopular with the american electorate. If you think the NRA won't be able to run public ad campaigns that eat this alive you are kidding yourself. You can't defend this in a soundbite and thats what today's debates really are.

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:21 AM

10. Rachel Maddow was suggesting this as model last night

 

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Response to bossy22 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:47 AM

12. The tax on transfers is up to the Federal Government. It can be set at any level.

The 1986 ban on manufacture and importation created the shortage. The government concluded that no one has a valid need for that type of weapon.

No one really argues in favor of fully-automatic weapons being available, except the crazies.

And the NRA will do whatever the gun manufacturers tell them to do, so what else is new? That's how we got to this point.

People are fed up with their bullshit.

This isn't going away, no matter how hard you squeeze your eyes and wish it so.

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