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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:08 AM

WH Petition: No cuts to Medicare and Social Security Benefits

we petition the obama administration to:

not cut Social Security and/or Medicare to simply keep taxes low on the wealthiest Americans

It is widely reported that the Democrats are about to finalize a deficit-reduction deal with Republicans. If true, it will cut Social Security payments over time. The cuts will increase as recipients grow older, reaching almost 10% at age 85.

As Presidents Reagan and Obama have said, Social Security has nothing to do with our country’s deficits. In fact, it is forbidden by law to contribute a penny to the deficit. It should not be cut in a deficit deal.

The wealthiest Americans received a windfall over the last decade, including more than $1 trillion in tax cuts which simply added to our debt. The rest of us got little but a terrible economy. True shared sacrifice means that the wealthy need to do their part this time; the elderly who are already hurting should not be hurt more.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/not-cut-social-security-andor-medicare-simply-keep-taxes-low-wealthiest-americans/wN1GL0PC


The President and other Democrats have stated repeatedly that Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022016846

They campaigned on protecting the program:

Obama-Biden

The President knows that guaranteed Social Security benefits are not handouts, but a bedrock of the commitment to retirement security America makes to our seniors. He believes that no current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced, and he will not accept any approach that slashes benefits for future generations. President Obama stands firmly opposed to privatizing Social Security—the future security of hard-working Americans should not be dependent on the fluctuations of the stock market. That is why the President has called on Congress to develop a bipartisan plan that follows these principles:

  • Any reform should strengthen Social Security for future generations and restore long-term solvency.

  • The administration will oppose any measures that privatize or weaken the Social Security system.

  • While all measures to strengthen solvency should be on the table, the administration will not accept an approach that slashes benefits for future generations.

  • No current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced.

  • Reforms should strengthen retirement security for the most vulnerable, including low-income seniors.

  • Reform should maintain robust disability and survivors’ benefits.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021488868

Game Changer: Biden Guarantees No Changes in Social Security
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021226318


Now it's time to stand up for seniors against extremists.



What the millionaires want versus what the voters want
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/07/1162018/-What-the-millionaires-want-versus-what-the-voters-want

Republicans have no leverage, and it's time to stop throwing incentives and rewards at these hostage takers.

No Deal, Continued

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First, you can only have a bargain, even potentially, if each side is willing to offer something better than the other side’s “threat point” — what it could get without a deal. For Obama, the threat point is letting all the Bush tax cuts expire, then proposing a middle-class tax cut that Republicans almost surely would not be able to block. The trouble with this proposal, from Obama’s point of view, is that it still doesn’t raise as much revenue as he wants, and that it also doesn’t provide stimulus via payroll taxes and extended unemployment benefits. But that’s what he can get at minimum.

So what are Republicans proposing? A “deal” that offers even less revenue, no stimulus, and comes at the price of big social insurance cuts. Why should Obama be interested?

OK, there might be something here if Rs were willing to take the debt ceiling off the table. But they aren’t; they’re only willing to extend things for a year. And here again, this is worse than Obama’s threat point: if there’s going to be a debt ceiling confrontation, he wants it early in his term, when he knows public opinion is on his side and there isn’t another election looming.

Oh, and my second point: Republicans are still demanding big spending cuts, but aren’t willing to specify any cuts in particular. Obama is supposed to do all the work. This from a party that ran against him for cutting Medicare in both 2010 and 2012, and will surely do the same in 2014 if given a chance. There’s just no way Obama can support Medicare cuts now unless the Republicans explicitly commit themselves to specific cuts in advance.

The Boehner-McConnell position, then, is still a joke, just marginally less funny than the previous joke.

- more -

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/no-deal-continued/


Thanks to Manny for helping to draft the petition.

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Reply WH Petition: No cuts to Medicare and Social Security Benefits (Original post)
ProSense Dec 2012 OP
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #1
morningfog Dec 2012 #2
JHB Dec 2012 #20
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #3
Uncle Joe Dec 2012 #38
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #4
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #8
TDale313 Dec 2012 #5
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #6
abelenkpe Dec 2012 #7
MannyGoldstein Dec 2012 #9
abelenkpe Dec 2012 #17
Lugnut Dec 2012 #10
doc03 Dec 2012 #11
kickysnana Dec 2012 #12
jtuck004 Dec 2012 #13
xxqqqzme Dec 2012 #14
SammyWinstonJack Dec 2012 #15
LeftofU Dec 2012 #16
krawhitham Dec 2012 #18
Faux pas Dec 2012 #19
JHB Dec 2012 #21
Faux pas Dec 2012 #26
JHB Dec 2012 #32
Faux pas Dec 2012 #37
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #22
Faux pas Dec 2012 #25
Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #30
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #31
duffyduff Dec 2012 #23
DLnyc Dec 2012 #24
Starry Messenger Dec 2012 #27
peacebird Dec 2012 #28
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #29
jsr Dec 2012 #33
99Forever Dec 2012 #34
jsr Dec 2012 #35
nc4bo Dec 2012 #36
ProSense Dec 2012 #39
DLnyc Dec 2012 #40
amborin Dec 2012 #41
DearHeart Dec 2012 #42
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #43

Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:09 AM

1. I'll keep it kicked, have yet to figure out how to

Sign one.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:10 AM

2. Curtailing cost of living increases is a cut.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:24 AM

20. It's compound interest in reverse.

Cal it "compound theft".

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:10 AM

3. no chained cpi, no cuts to social services through the fraudulence of chained cpi.

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:41 PM

38. Chained CPI is nothing but an insidious gimmick used to screw the people

out of their Social Security benefits by eroding them with each passing year.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:14 AM

4. I got in...signed it too

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:16 AM

5. Signed, kicked and Rec'd

Thanks.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:19 AM

6. I have one question for you which I am sure you won't answer...

Are you against chained CPI?

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:20 AM

7. Go down over time?

Because the cost of caring for the elderly goes down as they get older? Because in future everything will cost less? How can anyone seriously suggest such a thing?

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Response to abelenkpe (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:23 AM

9. Relax. Old people need to die sometime.

No sense in prolonging the inevitable.

And Pete Peterson and the Koch brothers need the cash.

So it all works.

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Response to MannyGoldstein (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:14 AM

17. O man...

Well, signed the petition anyway hoping to prolong life and sanity...

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:27 AM

10. Done! n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:52 AM

11. I don't know how many here are on SS but I have been for two years now and

thank God and the USW I have a pension and an IRA to supplement my income. If I had to live on SS alone I would have to either give up driving or my home and move into a Section 8 apartment. If I gave up driving I would have to give up my home and move into town anyway.
So with the Chained CPI if hamburger goes up what do we do go to hot dogs? If hot dogs go up change to cat food? If my electric goes up I could turn my thermostat back to 55º I guess.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:27 AM

12. K&R nt

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:33 AM

13. K&R. n/t

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:09 AM

14. Signed -

finally!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:12 AM

15. REC!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:16 AM

16. Done

 

Thanks for posting this.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:27 AM

18. 38

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:22 AM

19. What's up with this?

Only 41 signatures (including mine) since yesterday?

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:26 AM

21. Probably needs more visibility

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Response to JHB (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:51 AM

26. This'll be my third kick.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:07 PM

32. I don't mean just here on DU

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Response to JHB (Reply #32)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:33 PM

37. LOL i already got that.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:26 AM

22. I'm guessing most people don't want to create an account before signing the petition. nt.

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Response to OldDem2012 (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:50 AM

25. Wonder why that would be?

Seriously, why?

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:03 AM

30. Their process is a little bit of a PITA.

That said, signed.

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Response to Faux pas (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:07 PM

31. It's a pain in the butt, especially for people at work. nt.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:40 AM

23. Tell Congress you oppose this nonsense

Congress can shoot down this destructive, nutball proposal.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:46 AM

24. Signed

Good petition.

Hard to log in though (had to find old password . . . ).

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:01 AM

27. k&r

Shared.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:02 AM

28. Signed petition, tweeted, k&r

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:03 AM

29. They already got your vote, now they're listening to the real bosses

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:08 PM

33. Done.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:20 PM

34. Probably a futile effort...

.. but i signed anyway. I expect Obama to ignore our voices, as he always ('cept when wanting our vote or contributions) has in the past.

I would like nothing more than to be proved wrong.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:26 PM

35. A symbolic and necessary protest of the inevitable Christmas giveaway which is customary

for the Obama administration.

Sadly.

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:33 PM

36. No to constantly and consistently forcing the little people to pay and sacrifice.

Fuck the corporations, the 1-2%ers and their sockpuppets and their corporate and political enablers, the offshore tax evaders, money launders, leeches and middle/low income cash cow milkers and slaughterers.

We're always asked to shoulder the burden and make continuous sacrifices, tighten our belts, do without, pay more for everything and see little benefit from it all. We've heard it for too many years, nothing changes.

Keep the promises made to those whose votes you needed to win this past election! We're Democrats ffs.

Signed and shared!

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:43 PM

39. Keep signing to

bury the lead balloon.

Dick Durbin: No cut in Social Security benefits
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022020805

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:37 AM

40. up to 1,763

TOTAL SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION
1,763

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 01:55 AM

41. K&R

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:10 AM

42. Done!! Passed on to family & friends too!!! :)

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Response to ProSense (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 02:32 AM

43. This is not just something just Liberals care about.

Explain it to the non rabid Republicans you know. It's not a complicated issue, and most people will support the premise if you take the time to give details.

I just had a right leaning family member tell me they signed. Yeah, it's one person. I did find their name/city a good ways back, so they're at least being honest.

Expand who you're discussing this with. This is an important issue.

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