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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:26 AM

I believe that this "leaked" chained CPI proposal is a false flag...

when it doesn't happen, Obama looks like a solid representative of the will of the people. And we can all go back to watching American idol and ignore the "crazy" fringes who protest the surveillance state and the targeted killing of children.

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Reply I believe that this "leaked" chained CPI proposal is a false flag... (Original post)
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 OP
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #1
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #2
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #5
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #6
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #9
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #12
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #8
ProSense Dec 2012 #3
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #7
woo me with science Dec 2012 #4
Luminous Animal Dec 2012 #10
nashville_brook Dec 2012 #11
leftstreet Dec 2012 #13
woo me with science Dec 2012 #14
TheKentuckian Dec 2012 #15
woo me with science Dec 2012 #16
woo me with science Dec 2012 #17

Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:33 AM

1. Think about it...

Perhaps there is a reason why staunch Obama supporters are all in a tizzy about the prospect.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:38 AM

2. i'm confused about what you're saying. this is a planned balloon so people can freak out &

 

then be reassured, then they will acquiesce to strict gun laws?

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:58 AM

5. No. The propagandists will attempt to lure us into a "liberal" sense of securty...

As in, "Well, he can be trusted to protect the social safety net so he should be trusted on issues of 'national security'. It feeds into the meme that Obama is good. That he wouldn't have to blow children to smithereens unless there was a very good reason for doing so.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:59 AM

6. you mean afghanistan? if so, i don't think most voters really care much. it seems like a lot of

 

trouble to go to for an issue most people don't even think about.

kids in afghanistan? maybe if they saw some reportage and photos, which they mostly don't.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:12 AM

9. Drones world-wide and domestic surveillance.

What I mean, is that, if (IF) there are no changes whatsoever to SS and Medicare, Obama looks like a hero the the U.S. public. The average U.S. person is now satisfied that they can retire with their government benefits intact so why are those crazy leftists protesting against this nice man.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:34 AM

12. i'm not so convinced, but we'll see how it pans out. it's really sad that we can't trust what

 

they say (it costs a lot of time in trying to read between the lines...)

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Response to Luminous Animal (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:07 AM

8. I only see three dimensions there

You are not yet up to the requisite eleven dimensions in order to follow Obama's chess moves.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:46 AM

3. Really?

If this is a game, it sucks.

I know what the President, his team and Democrats have been saying since the election: Social Security has nothing to do with the deficit. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022016846

The current offer is either a rumor or a sick joke given those statements and the President's campaign position:

Obama-Biden

The President knows that guaranteed Social Security benefits are not handouts, but a bedrock of the commitment to retirement security America makes to our seniors. He believes that no current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced, and he will not accept any approach that slashes benefits for future generations. President Obama stands firmly opposed to privatizing Social Security—the future security of hard-working Americans should not be dependent on the fluctuations of the stock market. That is why the President has called on Congress to develop a bipartisan plan that follows these principles:

  • Any reform should strengthen Social Security for future generations and restore long-term solvency.

  • The administration will oppose any measures that privatize or weaken the Social Security system.

  • While all measures to strengthen solvency should be on the table, the administration will not accept an approach that slashes benefits for future generations.

  • No current beneficiaries should see their basic benefits reduced.

  • Reforms should strengthen retirement security for the most vulnerable, including low-income seniors.

  • Reform should maintain robust disability and survivors’ benefits.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021488868

Game Changer: Biden Guarantees No Changes in Social Security
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021226318

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Response to ProSense (Reply #3)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:04 AM

7. Thank you, Obama for promising not to SLASH Social Securty...

but putting a little cut here and there is not a slash.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:56 AM

4. I think it's a definite possibility.

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I have been saying it all along, that we are being propagandized to be grateful when SS and Medicare are used as hostages again and pulled back again.

We get more austerity no matter what. The banks retain their power and immunity, no matter what. The MIC gets fed, no matter what. There is absolutely nothing on the horizon to slow the looting or help the people. Dangling this potential assault and then drawing it back at the last minute is how they will try to retain the illusion of being our heroes and make us cheer for more austerity, looting, and protection of the banks rather than demanding to know why it all continues unabated, even under a Democratic President, and why we are not being helped. They don't *need* to cut these programs now; they are already making money hand over fist and systematically privatizing and rigging the system to make more. What they *need* is to calm and reassure an increasingly restless and suspicious country so that they can keep on doing it.

We get more pain from this deal no matter what, but by carrying out this little act, the further looting can be played, outrageously, as a victory for the people.

We live and drown in carefully crafted illusion and propaganda to justify corporate bloodsucking. North Korea has nothing on Wall Street when it comes to stagecraft.

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:13 AM

10. +1

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:14 AM

11. "I suspect that on Social Security, we've got a somewhat similar position," said Obama to Romney

in the first debate.

I take him at his word.

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:38 AM

13. +1

Everyone's getting onset amnesia

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Response to nashville_brook (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:42 AM

14. I do, too.

But they play the long game, these corporatists.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:56 AM

15. Wonder what is up in the next austerity charade? We'll be worked up to a lil slashing, I reckon.

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Response to Luminous Animal (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:34 PM

16. Kick.

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