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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:17 PM

Need some background information - Pearl River, MS shooter stopped by principal with gun?

saw this posted on Facebook - just wanted some background info before I respond.

If I'm not mistaken, the shooting had already occurred and the shooter was leaving when the principal subdued him. Is my understanding correct?

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Reply Need some background information - Pearl River, MS shooter stopped by principal with gun? (Original post)
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 OP
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #1
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #5
becomer Dec 2012 #28
virgogal Dec 2012 #2
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #4
elleng Dec 2012 #3
SoonerPride Dec 2012 #6
IBEWUnionMan Dec 2012 #7
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #9
IBEWUnionMan Dec 2012 #11
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #14
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #20
jlfliberty Dec 2012 #24
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #25
camperinaz Dec 2012 #8
IBEWUnionMan Dec 2012 #10
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #12
NewJeffCT Dec 2012 #13
Eric B Dec 2012 #15
Saokymo Dec 2012 #16
Eric B Dec 2012 #17
uppityperson Dec 2012 #18
Rowdyboy Dec 2012 #19
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #21
Smcd Dec 2012 #22
treestar Dec 2012 #23
ts628 Dec 2012 #36
treestar Dec 2012 #38
ImWatchingU Dec 2012 #42
treestar Dec 2012 #45
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #46
becomer Dec 2012 #26
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #27
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #31
dalejr88lvr Dec 2012 #33
uppityperson Dec 2012 #34
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #35
Charles in Ohio Dec 2012 #40
Proudsoutherngirl Jan 2013 #48
Bryan Johnson Dec 2012 #29
AVoiceOfReason Dec 2012 #30
dalejr88lvr Dec 2012 #32
ImWatchingU Dec 2012 #43
lizswan84 Dec 2012 #37
uppityperson Dec 2012 #39
Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 2012 #41
prius4me Dec 2012 #44
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #47

Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:19 PM

1. The shooting already had occurred.

Shooter had a six shooter.

Principal had a semi, and was a former cop

You are getting pelted with an NRA anecdote. (They use rare events to signify reality)

Oh I forgot, shooter was starting to another school.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:32 PM

5. thanks

and, I'm sure I could come up with examples of innocent bystanders hit by civilians (or police) trying to subdue a shooter.

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Response to virgogal (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:31 PM

4. thanks

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:30 PM

3. Yes:

However, assistant principal Joel Myrick had retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:34 PM

6. I've been using that meme to cull my friends list

anyone on FB who posts that nonsense gets defriended instantly

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:14 PM

7. confused...

 

So because the story is true and flies in the face of what you believe you write it off and/or dismiss it as propaganda? The man prevented the perpetrator from continuing onto another school and saved lives. Maybe if the school wasn't a "Gun-Free Zone" he could've prevented the killings within the school. Obviously, that sign doesn't stop these shooters. Sorry, but it makes you look bad when you dismiss facts to bolster your own position.

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Response to IBEWUnionMan (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:30 PM

9. most Republican talking points

need to be taken with a grain of salt, at best. Most of the time, they're flat out false.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:41 PM

11. lol

 

True. That's why I don't watch mainstream news sources. I get enough propaganda from Facebook. But I think the same could be said for both sides of the media aisle.

We're never going to fix or come up with solutions to the problems we have if both sides are so entrenched in their beliefs that even when confronted with facts that we throw them out as fodder or propaganda. It was real, it worked, and if things were different that situation could've come out a lot different/better.

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Response to IBEWUnionMan (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:48 PM

14. I don't get what you mean by "It worked". No it didn't, the shooter killed everyone he wanted to

then left the building.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:23 PM

20. Oh he was "continuing on to another school" doncha know? (Gun Nut Horseshit, as Usual)

That is how the people who have been peddling this line of bullshit all day make it into a guy who "stopped" an "ongoing massacre."

In fact, the dude was sitting in a parked car after having killed his girlfriend and two others. There was no ongoing shooting, and the only way you even get the "on his way" is through some statements made subsequently by the shooter.

In fact, this event has almost nothing in common with the kind of shootings that the gun guts are trying to compare it with. It was not a random targeting of a group, but a specific targeting. The shooter was not stopped by the assistant principal, but stopped himself, then went and sat in a car. The principal did not shoot a Cho-Holmes-Landra type in the midst of an attack, but approached a person sitting in a parked car. The assistant principal never fired a shot.

Now imagine the scenario that the gun nuts have been pretending should happen: a random Cho-Holmes-Landra type in the midst of shooting people randomly, and a heroic armed civilian pulls out a gun and - with quick thinking and a better shot - shoots him down, ending the massacre. That's what they'd have us believe will happen. And this - THIS - is the event they use as evidence that it HAS HAPPENED?

The situations are completely dissimilar. That the gun nuts even use this as an example shows how fanciful and filled with utter horseshit their position is.

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Response to jlfliberty (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:11 AM

25. Your desperate, information free nonsense doesn't rebut my point all

You're completely unable to do so, because I'm right and your wrong.

My post made you soooo mad that you signed up immediately for this flame-out! Haha. I can only imagine your little temper tantrum! That's your ass showing.

The fact that you signed up here just to try rebuttng me shows how desperate the gun nuts now are that their sickening culture - a culture that has visited a public health epidemic and nothing but corpses on our society - is now going to be forced to change. That you also failed miserably at posting anything coherent only further displays how laughable, how without merit, how easy to smash the gun nut arguments really are.

Keep whining, though. It's interesting and amusing to see the gun nuts screaming like stuck little piggies now that their free pass has been revoked.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:14 PM

8. Soooo.......

Sooo....for the record....the Principal DID stop the kid from shooting any kids at the JR. High. But the kid DID kill victims at the HIGH school.....

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Response to IBEWUnionMan (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:47 PM

12. WTF are you talking about? It's A SCHOOL, of course it's a gun free zone.

The killings already occurred, the assistant principal was only responsible for subduing the shooter, he didn't stop the shooter in the midst of killing. 911 could have been called and the shooter would have been stopped by the police while pulling out of the parking lot. And you can't predict the future to even say whether the shooter would have killed more people.

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Response to camperinaz (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:47 PM

13. True

but, this is one incident in how many years? The principal was also a former cop.

How many times have innocent bystanders been shot by civilians and police? Trayvon Martin? And, there were the 9 bystanders that were shot by NYPD police this past summer, though all 9 survived.

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Response to Eric B (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:02 PM

16. You won't be here long

He shot his mother in the face, possibly while she was sleeping. All of the guns used were registered to her. Fat lot of good that did to keep anyone safe.

Enjoy your stay.

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Response to Saokymo (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:15 PM

18. They are not talking about the recent murders but one from 1967, and he is banned now.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:16 PM

19. FYI-its the city of Pearl, Mississippi...not Pearl River, Mississippi....Pearl is next door to

Jackson which is just south of me, and home to the most virulent, mean rednecks you will meet anywhere. A good place to stay away from....

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:19 AM

21. So fucking what?

Kids still died. And are dying. Every day. From guns.

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Response to Smcd (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:28 AM

23. Outlawing guns is the answer

They are the only thing whose only purpose is to kill. Your will be taken from you. We're not going to sit around waiting until you go nuts and decide you need to kill people.

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Response to treestar (Reply #23)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:16 PM

36. reply to treestar

 

Outlawing guns is not the answer ...we seem to forget that criminals don't follow laws... so it would put us law abiding citizens at a disadvantage ... say someone breaks into your house while you are home...what are you gonna do..? Just stand there and get robbed ....I think not.... the laws need to be slightly more strict .. but not to the extent of not being able to have a firearm

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Response to ts628 (Reply #36)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 10:50 AM

38. If someone breaks into my house while I am at home

I will call 911.

The only people who need guns for this are people who live in remote areas.

The odds of it happening are not big enough for me to spend the necessary time and preparation for learning how to use a gun properly. So for most people the chance the gun will be misused or used for a suicide or accidental shooting are greater than the possibility someone will break into your house. And you can secure your house in many ways, too.

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Response to treestar (Reply #38)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 09:57 AM

42. That is YOUR right!

 

I will never disagree with your right to not purchase protection. I am particularly happy that you understand the risks of a gun and do not believe in your ability to safely operate and store.

So why are you so hell bent on attacking the rights of others?

Little experiment. Dig around and find the latest census figures for your city. Then find the total size of your local police force. Just run around with that ratio in your head. You may also find figures for average response time.

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Response to ImWatchingU (Reply #42)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:38 AM

45. Well to put it as your right, you have to admit it was Adam Lanza's right, too

He had no criminal record. It's not that intrusive when you think of it that way.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:56 AM

26. Your understanding is lacking

 

Typical that you don't want to mention that he was "subdued" with a gun WHILE ON THE WAY TO SHOOT UP THE JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL in addition to the High Schoolers he just shot.

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Response to becomer (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:02 AM

27. He was sitting in a parked car...who the fuck are you kidding?

This is the great case for stopping the likes of Adam Lanza or James Holmes or Seung-Hui Cho?

Are you even fucking serious?

Gawd, the gun nuts are pathetic!

First they give us a scenario: if teachers or principals or movie theater patrons were armed, they could stop a shooter. The implication, of course, is that they stop the shooter in the fucking act of committing the massacre! OK, show us a single example where a civilian has ever stopped an ACTIVE mass shooting in this manner, we say.

Oh, well here's a case where a guy shot a bunch of people and then was sitting in his car later. But, you know, he was on the way to another shooting so, you know, it's kinda sorta like a civilian stopped him in the middle of the act, like, sorta, you know?

What a fucking joke.

What a monumental fucking joke these gun nuts are. they searched and searched and searched, and the best they could do was this example? It's not even close. It's not even marginally close to the scenario they use for their ridiculous arguments. There's a reason why: their imaginary Rambo scenario is fucking BULLSHIT.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:11 PM

31. Another point to remember...

In this particular shooting, the kid was using a .30 deer rifle. He managed to kill two and wound seven. Put a Bushmaster and a few 50-round magazines in his hand, and you can imagine what might have happened.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:58 PM

33. language

 

To bad you can't get your point across without using the F word. Shows your ignorance.

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Response to dalejr88lvr (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:00 PM

34. Fuckin' hey

Any fucking poster who can't fucking get the fucking point across is fucked up ignorant.

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Response to dalejr88lvr (Reply #33)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:00 PM

35. Ha

Whatever. You can't rebut it.

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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #27)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:48 PM

40. Here's some facts for you

 

With existing laws, it's hard to find an example of a CC permit holder stopping a active mass shooting. Why? Because the shooters pick "gun free" locations. CCP holders, being law abiding leave their guns in the car or at home. Pearl river, is a perfect example; the assistant principal, working in a "Gun Fee School zone" had to retrieve his weapon from the car before he could do anything. The evidence of rather or not the shooter was going to go to the jr high is inconclusive.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp#pearl

What if by chance, a CCP holder misses the sign declaring the location to be gun free? Well hey, that just happened last week. At the Clackamas Town Center shooting in Oregon. Bet you didn't know that did you? Certainly most media accounts I've ran across don't mention it or otherwise provide an explanation as to why only two were killed by a man with an AR-15 in a packed mall. The CCP holder aimed but didn't even fire, because of bystanders behind the shooter. The shooters next round was into his own head.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-183593571.html

Finally, when an armed patron stops a "mass shooting", it ends up not being a mass shooting and thus doesn't get counted as a "mass shooting." We all know one or too dead doesn't sell newspapers, drive traffic to a web site or entice you to "tune in at 11".
from http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/19/ann-coulter-we-know-how-to-stop-school-shootings/

– Mayan Palace Theater, San Antonio, Texas, this week: Jesus Manuel Garcia shoots at a movie theater, a police car and bystanders from the nearby China Garden restaurant; as he enters the movie theater, guns blazing, an armed off-duty cop shoots Garcia four times, stopping the attack. Total dead: Zero.

– Winnemucca, Nev., 2008: Ernesto Villagomez opens fire in a crowded restaurant; concealed carry permit-holder shoots him dead. Total dead: Two. (I’m excluding the shooters’ deaths in these examples.)

– Appalachian School of Law, 2002: Crazed immigrant shoots the dean and a professor, then begins shooting students; as he goes for more ammunition, two armed students point their guns at him, allowing a third to tackle him. Total dead: Three.

– Santee, Calif., 2001: Student begins shooting his classmates — as well as the “trained campus supervisor”; an off-duty cop who happened to be bringing his daughter to school that day points his gun at the shooter, holding him until more police arrive. Total dead: Two.

– Edinboro, Pa., 1998: A student shoots up a junior high school dance being held at a restaurant; restaurant owner pulls out his shotgun and stops the gunman. Total dead: One.


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Response to alcibiades_mystery (Reply #27)

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 10:51 PM

48. Hard to find

 

Most of these shooting happen in a fucking so called gun free zone and since most cc holders are law abiding citizens they obey the law and don't carry into these places,hence the reason you don't hear of it happening.A gun free zone is nothing more than a place for a criminal to be able to go into and shoot up without the fear of someone being able to stop them.Really now how many mass shooting have occurred in a police station?None that I know of anyways,wonder why that is?You think it's got anything to do with the criminal knowing everyone will be armed?Criminals love gun free zones and if you take guns out if the equation they will still kill,true maybe not with a gun but with another source,murder has been happening since the beginning of time and it will continue till the end of time.Country's that have banned guns obviously don't have high violence rates with guns but the overall violence rate has increased.All if you who think the gun is the problem are obviously not living in reality but rather in some damn fairy tale.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:08 PM

30. Yep

Who knows if when the principal stopped him what his intentions were, or if he even needed his weapon to subdue him? Does it matter? If he was going to another school AND the principal needed a gun to stop him, it is a good thing he had his own firearm.

The gun genie can never be put back in the bottle. 'Gun Free Zone' Stickers on windows and doors do not deter people that are looking to do the things that the guy in CT did. Unless you can make guns/assault rifles/etc disappear (which a ban will not do), the solution is not to stop law abiding citizens from arming themselves. If you lived in a neighborhood where crime was rampant and murder/rapes were not an uncommon occurrence, should you not be allowed to own a weapon that can protect you or your wife/children/husband?

Thorough background checks and caveats to gun ownership for felons, wards of the state, etc are helpful and no reasonable person can argue against that, as all of our guaranteed rights are open to interpretation. It is folly to believe we can legislate away events like this. If a ban was enacted tomorrow, what is the explanation when the next one of these happens in 1 year or 10 years down the road.

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Response to AVoiceOfReason (Reply #30)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:55 PM

32. You are so right

 

The criminals will never turn their guns in & so if all of the legal guns owned by responsible people are turned in, they are at the mercy of the criminals. If a deranged person sees a sign that guns are prohibited will that stop him? Ha ha that is funny if anyone in their right mind thinks that would stop him.

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Response to dalejr88lvr (Reply #32)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:03 AM

43. Dysfunctional intellectuals

 

Facts, data, and real life situations will never matter to the anti-gun activist. Even real history and similar gun repeals from other countries has shown the criminals could care less. The even scarier fact is our judicial system doesn't care to actually punish gun-based crime. You look at other countries, you will at least see harsh punishment if caught with a gun during a crime.

Rights are rights only if they believe in them. That is a sick and flawed mentality. You do not want a gun, don't own it. If you want a limited gun environment, move to one. Try Chicago. I heard gun restriction is doing wonders for their crime and murder rate.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 09:27 AM

37. example

 

Here is one example of someone pulling a gun and stopping people getting killed

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 12:12 PM

39. 11.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 11:49 PM

41. It happened like 15 years ago

and the shooter was stopped AFTER killing 3 people. I've seen the FB thing too. Designed to be mis-leaading

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 10:10 AM

44. and the point is... principal shouldn't have acted?

 

So the shooter was stopped by principal... After 3 were shot or before others were shot is a half empty half full viewpoint.

The story is factual. If the principal had access to the gun earlier (inside the school) then we could assume he could have stopped the shooter BEFORE 3 were killed.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Original post)

Thu Dec 20, 2012, 11:14 AM

47. 13. n/t

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