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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:05 PM

Breaking: Parents gave their elementary school kid a gun to take to school.

West Kearns Elementary School in Utah. Parents gave their elementary school kid a gun to take to school for "self protection" and possibly the protection of other students....this on local ABC4 news tonight. Thanks for the supporting links below.

Good God. This escalation is insane!

I noticed a one liner on the Consumer Protection notice when Jarts (lawn darts) were banned, and it said, "It is illegal to sell or re-sell an item that has been recalled". ....just thinking there may be an answer to assult rifles, and guns that use magazines with 20-30 bullets, how about a consumer protection recall?

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Reply Breaking: Parents gave their elementary school kid a gun to take to school. (Original post)
Sheepshank Dec 2012 OP
Fridays Child Dec 2012 #1
Bicoastal Dec 2012 #3
Robb Dec 2012 #4
virgogal Dec 2012 #2
LAGC Dec 2012 #5
gollygee Dec 2012 #6
frazzled Dec 2012 #7
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #23
frazzled Dec 2012 #39
kiva Dec 2012 #12
ElboRuum Dec 2012 #13
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #25
sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #36
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #40
sanatanadharma Dec 2012 #48
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #50
ElboRuum Dec 2012 #52
ellisonz Dec 2012 #14
sellitman Dec 2012 #20
Ilsa Dec 2012 #21
Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #24
MichiganVote Dec 2012 #30
Jeff In Milwaukee Dec 2012 #34
Warren DeMontague Dec 2012 #45
LAGC Dec 2012 #46
Politicalboi Dec 2012 #51
Fridays Child Dec 2012 #8
niyad Dec 2012 #11
Fridays Child Dec 2012 #19
marions ghost Dec 2012 #27
Fridays Child Dec 2012 #37
marions ghost Dec 2012 #49
cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #29
Sheepshank Dec 2012 #43
earthside Dec 2012 #9
kiva Dec 2012 #10
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #15
cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #16
Sheepshank Dec 2012 #44
struggle4progress Dec 2012 #17
Superbot Dec 2012 #18
marions ghost Dec 2012 #28
glinda Dec 2012 #22
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #26
We People Dec 2012 #35
liberalmuse Dec 2012 #31
rbrnmw Dec 2012 #32
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #33
AZ Progressive Dec 2012 #38
anonymous444 Dec 2012 #41
Fridays Child Dec 2012 #42
Sheepshank Dec 2012 #47

Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:06 PM

1. Is there a link?

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:07 PM

2. Madness !

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:10 PM

5. Sometimes I think this isn't such a bad idea...

I mean, if the kid is trained.

We'd see kidnappings by strangers end overnight!

In all seriousness though, at least let the teachers be armed.

Things are getting crazy out there, and there's no way to put the genie (guns) back in the bottle, so the only solution is for schools to protect themselves.

At least let the adults be armed!

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:12 PM

6. Elementary kids?

No, we'd see accidental shootings at schools.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:14 PM

7. Oh yeah? How about giving them the keys to the SUV ...

to drive all their friends away in a getaway car?

Jeezus.

And no, do not put guns in the arms of school personnel or teachers, either. No, NO, NO. When you have a problem, you don't make it worse.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:59 PM

23. What's the other option?

 

Putting your head in the sand and ignoring the problem? Do you REALLY think guns are going to go away regardless of what laws are passed?

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:06 PM

39. I'm not ignoring the problem ...

Look at my sig line: renew the assault weapons ban. I don't give a good goddam if you think that won't stop anything. To not pass such a law is, as you put it, akin to "putting your head in the sand and ignoring the problem." And I won't be bullied out of that position. It's right, I know it's right, and it's going to happen. So you'll just have to deal with it.

You realize that it is completely insane to suggest, even in jest, that you should put a gun in the hand of a young child. That, my friend, is the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard. It's dangerous, it's offensive (especially in light of all the children who died), and it is just plain stupid.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:28 PM

12. No.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:32 PM

13. Really?

"Things are getting crazy out there, and there's no way to put the genie (guns) back in the bottle"

Um, yes there is.

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Response to ElboRuum (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:00 PM

25. Do tell, how is the "genie" (guns) going to get put back in the bottle?

 

Do you really think that guns are going to go away regardless of what laws are passed?

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:31 PM

36. The issue (problem) has been with us for too many generations...

...there is no way that we will ever end slavery,
give women the vote,
end prohibition (oh, wait- begin prohibition)

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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:32 PM

40. So, no idea then?

 

As I recall, it took a brutal civil war to finally close out slavery, and descrimination arguably continues through today...

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:54 PM

48. Personal choice...

...disarm everyone. Since the gun-idolaters seem to be suggesting that means war, so be it.

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Response to sanatanadharma (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 05:56 PM

50. It's easy to say, but HOW?

 

If the government can't keep drugs and weapons out of prisons, how do you ever expect them to keep them out of the hands of "free" people?

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Response to ComplimentarySwine (Reply #50)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 07:02 PM

52. It's called "collective will".

At one point in this country, nearly every adult smoked. Heavily. The health concerns of smoking became known and that began the anti-smoking movement.

It started out small, and it took decades to build, but the collective will was there and it remained. Now the numbers of smokers have dwindled. As a smoker myself, I find some of what I must deal with occasionally annoying, but I can't argue with the benefits to individuals and society at large for taking this stance. The benefits are real and profound.

The genie won't be going back into the bottle today or tomorrow, but so long as the collective will is toward tighter control and access to firearms, that genie WILL be put back in. The fact is that the human cost at the societal level to near absent gun regulation to access and use, at this moment, is too high to for that society to bear.

The problem with all of this is that "responsible gun ownership" should be not just some statement of esoterica, a flimsy platitude offered up by those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. I believe that there are responsible gun owners. However, just saying so doesn't make it so in any given case.

If you want to drive a car in this country, you need to pass a competency test and a knowledge test dealing with the rules of the road. You must pass an eye exam or have the appropriate corrective lenses. You must have proof of insurance, just in the event that you do inflict property or personal damage with your car. There are different classes of licenses for different types of vehicles, after all we wouldn't someone who knows only how to drive a car to get behind the wheel of a semi, would we? When you buy or sell a car, you must make the appropriate records of sale and transfer of title.

In a similar vein, you should have to prove your responsibility to own and use a firearm. Use whatever measures you like, but it is ludicrous that any jackass in this country can get a gun for any reason with a minimum of effort and no proof of competency with regard to its operation or understanding of the law regarding its use. The collective will should be at least the level of burden of proof of responsibility for the ownership and operation of a motor vehicle, something whose incidental capability of lethality is somehow more worrisome than something whose primary purpose is lethality.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:33 PM

14. Nuts?

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:45 PM

20. That is absolutely crazy



Folks with your outlook are the problem, not the solution.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:57 PM

21. I knew a 14 year old who accidentally killed himself

With a gun, at a shooting range, and he had been shooting since he was about 7 years old.

They are kuds. They screw up. They aren't mature enough to carry out this level of responsibility consistently at that age.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:59 PM

24. So your solution is more guns

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:10 PM

30. The adults in schools do not want to be armed. That is just one more thing the public wants.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:24 PM

34. Are you out of your fucking mind?

Giving an elementary school kid a firearm for protection is the dictionary definition of "batshit crazy"

And your alternative suggestion, that a 60-year-old English teacher should be packing heat in the classroom is only slightly less idiotic. At what point did we decide that at every moment of every day in every location in every town in America, we're all living in a potential crossfire.

Fuck that shit. I don't believe in banning guns, but I'd rather ban guns rather than go there.

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:15 AM

45. We spend $60 Billion dollars on the DEA every yr. Why not take all those agents, helicopters & swat

teams off the ever-pressing hunt for pot plants in the back yards of chemo grannies, and put them to work guarding our schools instead?

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #45)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:17 AM

46. That's the most sensible solution I've heard yet.

Works for me!

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Response to LAGC (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:06 PM

51. The story said it was unloaded

And luckily for another class-mate, it was. Little asshole pointed at his head and told him he was going to kill him. And no adult should be armed IMO. It's just crazy to think about.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:17 PM

8. The article about this doesn't say that his parents gave him a gun to take to school.

If guns are accessible to him in his home, that's pretty awful but I don't see anything about his parents giving him the gun. If you have a link for that, fine. Otherwise, would you consider changing your post title?

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Response to Fridays Child (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:27 PM

11. you are correct, it does not say that. but, obviously, the child had access to the gun, so it

apparently was not safely stored somewhere inaccessible.

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Response to niyad (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:44 PM

19. I made the same point but a parent giving a kid a gun to take to school...

...is a different issue, don't you think?

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Response to Fridays Child (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:06 PM

27. No, not really

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:33 PM

37. Just to be clear, you think that parents making the mistake of not sufficiently securing firearms...

...is fundamentally the same thing, or just as bad, as parents actually giving their children firearms to take to school?

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Response to Fridays Child (Reply #37)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:47 PM

49. Absoeffinglutely!

YES You Betcha

And that is why parents of kids who allow their kids to have any access to guns SHOULD GO TO JAIL. Take a gun to school = Parents IN jail. This would go a long way to addressing the issue.

Their child himself or others will be just as dead if the gun is loaded--regardless of the parent's level of complicity.

NO difference, NO excuses.



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Response to niyad (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:09 PM

29. Well, why not say the parents killed JFK?

Obviously the gun was somehow accessible to the child.

Agreed.

That is a bad thing, of course. It doesn't not follow that any allegation against the parents is okay.

The issue here has nothing to do with the parents, it is about the OP willfully misleading people... lying, if you will.

That is never okay, not matter how good the cause or whether it tells a "larger truth" or whatever.

Falsehoods are these things that intellectually honest people don't stand for in any context.

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Response to Fridays Child (Reply #8)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:12 AM

43. channel 4news said it and the fox13 link said the same thing.....go back and read

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:20 PM

9. Too bad the kid didn't have Jesus ...

... to be his all-powerful, invisible protector.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:27 PM

10. Would you please correct your post title?

None of the links given say that the parents approved or even knew about this - this is enough of a hot button issue without getting into the question of adults stupid enough to send a child to school with a weapon. Now the whole question of adults who are stupid enough to let an 11 year old get ahold of a gun is another question...

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:34 PM

15. Oh, that's fuckin' helpful.

We are a nation of idiots. God Help America.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:35 PM

16. Edit the Damn Headline! (please)

There's nothing in the story about parents giving him the gun

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #16)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:14 AM

44. damn...repeating local headlines...read the fox 13link above before you employ righteous indignation

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:36 PM

17. ... Granite District Spokesman Ben Horsley said that the student apparently brought the gun

to school because of the recent massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown Conn. where 26 people were killed, including 20 students. The 11-year-old boy wanted to protect himself and his friend in case something like that rampage occurred at his school, officials said ... http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23430406&nid=148

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:37 PM

18. Hopefully the parents get locked up

 

And they loose their right to own any guns. That is ridiculous.

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Response to Superbot (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:07 PM

28. That is what needs to happen

...it is the only way this will change.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:58 PM

22. Training em' young to be paranoid and fearful. Good goin' NRA.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:05 PM

26. In my state this kid would be expelled for a year

Really stupid idea.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:29 PM

35. Mine too! And teachers would be fired for doing it.

I thought that, after Columbine, schools in most states instituted a Zero Tolerance Policy for ANY kind of weapon - including even a plastic knife (seriously). I guess all these people suggesting that school personnel be armed either don't have kids or know any teachers, or else their state doesn't have ZT in place.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:20 PM

31. West Kearns Utah doesn't exactly have the brightest bulbs.

So this story is not in the least surprising.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:22 PM

32. Gun Nuts Never Cease To Amaze Me

And not in a good way

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:24 PM

33. In CA there is zero tolerance for weapons in schools, IIRC.

I think nail clippers get you expelled. A gun would get you expelled and probably criminally prosecuted.

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:38 PM

38. I didn't think parents could be this stupid

Enough of America's culture of stupid! It has got to stop!

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Response to Sheepshank (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:05 PM

41. Please check your facts

Please check your facts before you post things. I am closely affiliated with the school, and as of right now, it is UNCLEAR where the student got the gun.

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Response to anonymous444 (Reply #41)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:26 PM

42. Already tried reasoning with the OP.

To no avail.

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Response to anonymous444 (Reply #41)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:18 AM

47. just repeating what I had heard on kutv4.

The news was on in the background and someone above provided a fox13 article that says the same thing....mr. 1 post

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