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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:06 PM

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Reply One of these things just ain't like the other... (Original post)
dorksied Dec 2012 OP
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #1
6502 Dec 2012 #9
6502 Dec 2012 #11
6502 Dec 2012 #13
Cleita Dec 2012 #2
dorksied Dec 2012 #3
LeftofU Dec 2012 #4
kag Dec 2012 #7
LeftofU Dec 2012 #14
A Simple Game Dec 2012 #19
LeftofU Dec 2012 #20
A Simple Game Dec 2012 #22
LeftofU Dec 2012 #24
LeftofU Dec 2012 #26
A Simple Game Dec 2012 #79
baldguy Dec 2012 #25
LeftofU Dec 2012 #30
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #33
LeftofU Dec 2012 #38
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #41
morningfog Dec 2012 #53
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #10
LeftofU Dec 2012 #15
RC Dec 2012 #65
dorksied Dec 2012 #21
progressoid Dec 2012 #17
LeftofU Dec 2012 #18
baldguy Dec 2012 #28
LeftofU Dec 2012 #31
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #36
LeftofU Dec 2012 #34
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #37
LeftofU Dec 2012 #39
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #43
LeftofU Dec 2012 #44
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #46
LeftofU Dec 2012 #47
JaneyVee Dec 2012 #50
LeftofU Dec 2012 #54
Recursion Dec 2012 #66
baldguy Dec 2012 #42
LeftofU Dec 2012 #45
ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #77
morningfog Dec 2012 #55
LeftofU Dec 2012 #61
graham4anything Dec 2012 #76
Skittles Dec 2012 #29
LeftofU Dec 2012 #32
Skittles Dec 2012 #35
LeftofU Dec 2012 #40
Skittles Dec 2012 #75
bongbong Dec 2012 #49
morningfog Dec 2012 #56
the devil Dec 2012 #5
spanone Dec 2012 #12
LeftofU Dec 2012 #16
the devil Dec 2012 #80
awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #6
dorksied Dec 2012 #23
awoke_in_2003 Dec 2012 #64
lupinella Dec 2012 #8
davidpdx Dec 2012 #27
LeftofU Dec 2012 #48
bongbong Dec 2012 #51
LeftofU Dec 2012 #58
RC Dec 2012 #69
davidpdx Dec 2012 #73
LeftofU Dec 2012 #52
morningfog Dec 2012 #57
LeftofU Dec 2012 #59
morningfog Dec 2012 #60
LeftofU Dec 2012 #62
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #63
morningfog Dec 2012 #71
BainsBane Dec 2012 #68
morningfog Dec 2012 #72
Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #74
dorksied Dec 2012 #67
SmileyRose Dec 2012 #70
dorksied Dec 2012 #78

Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:08 PM

1. k&r

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #1)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:54 PM

9. Let's do something: [CALL TO ACTION!] Obama needs our help against the NRA!!!!

Last edited Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:06 PM - Edit history (1)

We can build that solution now:

"<CALL TO ACTION!> Obama needs our help against the NRA!!!!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022008151


This time, the revolution WILL be televised.

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Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:09 PM

2. Very good analogy. n/t

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Response to Cleita (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:43 PM

3. Ya, it is a bit absurd, isn't it?

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Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:24 PM

4. One is federally protected by a founding amendment of our constitution ....

 

.....and the other is a toy. Just saying.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:40 PM

7. Which is completely ass backwards...

...Just sayin'.

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Response to kag (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:57 PM

14. How so?

 

The 2A explains exactly why we need the right to bear arms but not the right to toys.
Your post is a non sequitur as is the OP.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:09 PM

19. 2A explains exactly? Hardly!

So what malitia do you belong to? What armory do you store your weapon in?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:20 PM

20. A history book would help you a bit.....

 

We did not have a standing army so it was derived from the people. The spirit of 2A is to defend this statement.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

And this one.

"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:41 PM

22. I'll trade you a dictionary for your history book, looks like you need one.

From:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/militia

militia

1590, "system of military discipline," from L. militia "military service, warfare," from miles "soldier" (see military). Sense of "citizen army" (as distinct from professional soldiers) is first recorded 1696, perhaps from Fr. milice.

In U.S. history, "the whole body of men declared by law amenable to military service, without enlistment, whether armed and drilled or not" (1777).

Everybody that wants the ability to kill massive amounts of innocent people always ignore the word "militia", I wonder why?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:51 PM

24. Very good. I think you're starting to get it. eom.

 

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:53 PM

26. And from your link.

 

mi·li·tia Show IPA
noun
1.
a body of citizens enrolled for military service, and called out periodically for drill but serving full time only in emergencies.
2.
a body of citizen soldiers as distinguished from professional soldiers.
3.
all able-bodied males considered by law eligible for military service.
4.
a body of citizens organized in a paramilitary group and typically regarding themselves as defenders of individual rights against the presumed interference of the federal government.

Not. A. Standing. Army.
Clear?

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:49 PM

79. You being a history buff and all, I thought you would focus on the

definition from the time period.

In U.S. history, "the whole body of men declared by law amenable to military service, without enlistment, whether armed and drilled or not" (1777).


What's the matter, didn't care for the "armed or not" part? Kind of makes the bearing arms part optional doesn't it?

Sorry I don't know what you mean with your; Not. A. Standing. Army. Clear? Are you asking a question? If so, then no, militias are not standing armies, they are more like the Reserves or National Guard. Some think they may be like definition 4 from your post, but those are generally thought to be mostly foolish and often thought of as dangerous to society. Why would you think a militia is a standing army?

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:52 PM

25. "A well regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state..."

What are you doing to stop Sandy Hook from happening AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN? That's the security part!

You want to preserve your supposed "right" to own a gun? IT'S TOO LATE! You should have dealt with the responsibility to promote security that goes with it. In this you have been woefully ineffective AND YOU HAVE FAILED MISERABLY! NOW IT'S OUR TURN!

We need serious, hard, punitive gun control. And if you don't like it, if you find it onerous, if you think it infringes on you rights - GOOD! Because your way has created nothing but death!

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Response to baldguy (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:59 PM

30. If this is about Deaths....go be hysterical over cigs, booze and cars before you get to the...

 

the foundation of this country. Get back to me when you've fixed those bigger problems.
Also, I am a responsible gun owner and should not be punished because some bat shit crazy lost his shit.
Go take a chill pill and think before you type. Sheesh!

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:07 PM

33. Cool. SO you would totally have no problem if all guns were replica's of 1776 then.

I mean, if you want to be a strict Constitutionalist and all. Also, funny how everyone claims to be a "responsible" gun owner, just ask any of them, they'll tell you so. You want to defend the 2nd Amendment? Fine, then grab a gun that takes 20 seconds to reload between each shot. I mean, the Constitution and all, right?

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #33)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:11 PM

38. And we should probably apply this template to all laws in america.

 

I'm not a "Strict Constitutionalist" ....nice try.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #38)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:16 PM

41. We do. Except the RWNJs allowed the 1st to include corporations. SO how about it?

All guns are replica's of guns from 1776. Sounds fair. You get to keep your guns, we get to keep our children.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:37 PM

53. When I see someone posting on the "2A," I can guess their position.

Your argument is so pathetically weak.

full text of the Second Amendment:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

How does your toy (and let's be honest they are both toys), secure a free state any more than a lawn dart?

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:54 PM

10. So - Amendments Can Be Repealed

eom

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:00 PM

15. Yeah, let's jump on that trend now.

 

The left gets to repeal the 2nd and the right gets the 1st or 4th as trade. Brilliant idea but your name says it all.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:59 PM

65. The 4th Amendment is already gone.

 

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:26 PM

21. Repealed? No... reformed, absolutely.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:03 PM

17. So apparently the 2nd Ammendment is more sacred than our children.

Just sayin'

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Response to progressoid (Reply #17)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:08 PM

18. Our constitution IS more precious than any individuals.

 

With over 300,000,000 people in this country we have a very large pool to draw crazies from. You try banning crazies and I'll try changing the constitution and in the end we're going to have the same success rate.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:04 PM

31. Did you not understand the post?

 

Your answer makes no sense.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:10 PM

36. Repealing the 2nd Amendment isn't as frightening as you think. Fire extinguishers aren't in the

Constitution but you are allowed to own one.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:11 PM

37. If you think cars are a greater threat than guns then I don't think you should be allowed to own

a gun OR a car. What a ridiculous statement from an obvious troll.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:13 PM

39. I'm a troll? Look in the mirror.

 

Good think what you think means nothing in my life.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:17 PM

43. Seriously, if you're going to pull that BS RWNJ line I'm going to call you on it every time.

The HUGE majority of car fatalities are UN-intentional. That is the opposite for gun fatalities. MOST are intentional.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:25 PM

46. Uh, you do know the Constitution has been changed/amended 27 times, don't you?

And advocating shooting people is disgusting & horrifying. Shame on you.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #46)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:29 PM

47. I'm not a pacifist. I have too much of a revolutionary streak in me. And i will not aplogize for

 

defending my family. Ever. Hope you never need a gun. I really do.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #47)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:33 PM

50. Defending your family from Christians? I'm a Humanist & that BS sounds whack-job.

Do you have Christians coming after you daily? Paranoid rantings get zero credibility. Tell me how your family is being threatened.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #50)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:38 PM

54. Hang around this board for a little longer and you'll hear of plenty.

 

We all know that religious zealots are perfectly harmless. You need to get out more.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:01 PM

66. Err... cars are the number one killer of children

I'm not sure what you think is false about that

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #34)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:16 PM

42. That you for posting RW fascist NRA talking point #1684.

Cars aren't designed for the sole purpose of killing people. In fact, they are designed specifically not to kill people, if it can be helped.

The same cannot be said for guns. Just the opposite, in fact.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:24 PM

45. yes, yes, yes, the constitution is all fascist...blah, blah....

 

Don't agree with me.....rw talking point...blah,blah,blah.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #42)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 06:48 AM

77. Who cares about the intent of the designer?

 

The fact is, whether designed for it or not, whether intentional or not, cars kill far more than guns in this country. Why is that okay? America also loses a lot of people due to heart problems, something that restricting card and promoting walking and cycling would help to resolve. It seems that a majority of the walking and cycling deaths are also caused by cars.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:39 PM

55. Wow, that is really disgusting. SHame on you.

Go back to the NRA site from whence you came.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #18)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:41 AM

76. how about that Thomas Jefferson- wrote all are created equal, except blacks and women of course

 

It's time to reassess guns as weapons of mass destruction and file them under the war on terror

when one is at war, special goodies apply

I trust Lincoln more than the NRA. Lincoln was cool. He got the thingydingy done.

And with every gun death there is, tell ya, the war on terror looks better and better each day.

I don't trust Thomas Jefferson and glad more and more people see the truth about him.
He was a nasty, vile man, he owned people, and abused the women slaves he owned and the singular biggest hypocrite of all time. Founding Father? He should have been in jail for the abuse he caused, today he would have been.

Because the Declaration of INdependence trumps anything else, and it states all are created equal
oops I mean all men that Thomas Jefferson and the other hypocrites thought were ok with them as it forgot Blacks(who built America with their sweat and in chains), and it forgot women, without whom Thomas Jefferson would not have been there, nor Benny or the others.

Guns are going.

The only guns I want to see are ones worn by Federal/State/City law enforcement which to me is the militia spoken about.

BTW how is your puny gun going to save you from a bunker busting bomb?

It isn't.

Get guns all of them off the street
and get more security to protect MY right to free assembly anywhere I choose, and my life, liberty and my pursuit of happiness.

And freeze the assets of the NRA which should be reclassified as a terror organization.

once we reclassify guns as a part of terror and the war on terrror.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:58 PM

29. we're gonna take that amendment back

we are SICK of it being used to justify mass murder - SICK OF IT

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Response to Skittles (Reply #29)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:06 PM

32. yeah, this going to happen.

 

You'll have to ban cars first. They kill way more children than crazies do. Good luck on that.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #32)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:08 PM

35. keep trying with your silly little justifications

THEY WILL NOT WORK ANY MORE

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Response to Skittles (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:15 PM

40. Why is a greater killer of children silly?

 

Are you just pushing your agenda or do you really care about children?

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #40)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 04:21 AM

75. the hits are coming, Leftof NO ONE

only this time the fucking gun nuts will be taking them. AND IT IS ABOUT FUCKING TIME!!!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:33 PM

49. 2nd Amendment lies from the NRA

 

The truth about the 2nd Amendment is out there. Here is one good article:

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/SpitzerChicago.htm

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Response to Skittles (Reply #35)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:40 PM

56. The jig is up, but we have to be vigilant.

These unpatriotic anti-safety nuts are loud and obnoxious.

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Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:32 PM

5. Super soakers...

I remember back when Super Soakers were introduced, someone was out spraying people with it. One of the people sprayed pulled out a real gun and shot the sprayer.

The city where it happened banned Super Soakers...but not real guns. I guess it's worse to get wet than to get shot.

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Response to the devil (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:56 PM

12. posting drunk and stupid is not recommended.

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Thu Dec 20, 2012, 12:41 AM

80. Considering I'm a recovered alcoholic...

and haven't been drunk in 14 years...

And I have two university degrees (two credits short of a third), I think your reply is a little out of line.

What I posted was true, broadcast on the news several years ago.


BTW - there was another reply to this person and it was hidden by jury decision as being "hurtful, over the top, etc...". The person who replied to my post called me "drunk and stupid". Is this not hurtful, or over the top? Especially since what I posted was true? Just wondering...not trying to pick a fight or argue with the jury...

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Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:38 PM

6. My only beef...

is that it is a hundred round magazine, not clip.

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Response to awoke_in_2003 (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:50 PM

23. True, sorry that I failed to make that distinction.

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Response to dorksied (Reply #23)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:56 PM

64. I'm just picking nits...

don't mind me

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Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:46 PM

8. K&R n/t

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Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:54 PM

27. Ok, I'll bite on the stupid question

Why were lawn darts banned? I know they are sharp and could be used as a weapon, but so can knifes and scissors.

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Response to davidpdx (Reply #27)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:33 PM

48. The same kind of blind hysteria people have now.

 

Sad really.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:34 PM

51. Sad?

 

It would be sad for Delicate Flowers to lose their Precious, wouldn't it? Almost as sad as dozens of people mowed down in slaughters & murders in America.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #51)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:45 PM

58. That was more than sad.......I've had a tear in my eye since it happened....

 

Same when my wife's coworker was shot in Aurora and when one of my employees kids was killed at Columbine.
Kills me we act this way.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:15 PM

69. Here. This was not the only case either.

 

One of the children threw one too high and too far. It sailed over the fence and came down in the front yard, where Snow's other child, Michelle, 7, was playing with her doll. With a force one researcher estimated at 23,000 pounds per cubic inch, the dart penetrated her skull. Within minutes she collapsed. Three days later doctors pronounced her clinically dead.

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-09-27/news/mn-10632_1_lawn-dart

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #48)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:35 AM

73. I guess I had never heard about that

Maybe that took place when I was younger.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #52)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:42 PM

57. WHat the fuck is your problem?

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Response to morningfog (Reply #57)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:46 PM

59. See post above yours....

 

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #59)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:46 PM

60. No, I am asking you.

You have serious issues. You are in the wrong place. You are an embarrassment to DU.

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Response to morningfog (Reply #60)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:51 PM

62. I think the same of you... I've been here nine years and watched dissent get squashed by newbies

 

like you. Shut up and listen to the debate and maybe you'll learn something.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:56 PM

63. Aww, did one of your posts get hidden?

Off to MIRT you go, you fucking troll.

Give your fuckbuddies in the Cave our regards.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #63)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:25 AM

71. 5 of them, just in this thread!

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #62)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:07 PM

68. 9 years and 464 posts

Do you just stop by to celebrate victories like Sandy Hook?

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #68)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:26 AM

72. Sure seems like it. COuldn't wait to jump in an refer to

the debate as a "circle jerk."

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #62)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 03:06 AM

74. Long-term sleeper trolls are also here a long time.

Hate to tell you this, but seniority counts for nothing here.

Just wasting this sock on a banzai run.

You aren't fooling anyone.

What you are braying isn't dissent, it's insanity.

Needing a gun to shoot Christians?

That's just bullshit trying to make DU suck, and you are posting it on purpose.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #59)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:05 PM

67. Seriously, you've been here for 9 years and you still act this way? You obviously don't belong here.

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Response to dorksied (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:19 PM

70. follow the moolah

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Response to SmileyRose (Reply #70)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 08:04 AM

78. lobbyists... ban those too!

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