Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:20 PM

k2qb3 (157 posts)

How about tax credits for gun safes?

Combined with PSAs, a national push for safe storage?

What do you think? I'm sure it would save some lives.

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31 replies	Author	Time	Post
How about tax credits for gun safes? (Original post)	k2qb3	Dec 2012	OP
So now I have to further subsidize gun disease?	Not Me	Dec 2012	#1
This message was self-deleted by its author	Horse with no Name	Dec 2012	#11
+1000	part man all 86	Dec 2012	#15
Hell damn no	taught_me_patience	Dec 2012	#2
or jail time for gunners who have no gun safe? or allow other get their guns nt	msongs	Dec 2012	#3
Why do we have to pay people to do the right thing?	truebluegreen	Dec 2012	#4
How about fines instead.	MichiganVote	Dec 2012	#5
How about MASSIVE fines for inappropriate gun storage.	Squinch	Dec 2012	#7
About what I expected.	k2qb3	Dec 2012	#6
Fuck the little game you are playing here. I hear ad nauseam that gun fetishists...	WorseBeforeBetter	Dec 2012	#22
+1	ellisonz	Dec 2012	#26
There's something very anti-social about them.	WorseBeforeBetter	Dec 2012	#31
Gun safes	bongbong	Dec 2012	#8
State of California disagrees with you	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#16
Prove it	bongbong	Dec 2012	#17
Cool video	ProgressiveProfessor	Dec 2012	#19
This message was self-deleted by its author	Horse with no Name	Dec 2012	#9
No.	k2qb3	Dec 2012	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	Horse with no Name	Dec 2012	#13
Hell no. How about a thousand dollar per gun per year license?	we can do it	Dec 2012	#10
How about automatic/semi-automatic guns being allowed at GUN RANGES...only	SoCalDem	Dec 2012	#14
How about a tax on ammunition instead?	PA Democrat	Dec 2012	#18
I'm not paying for that crap	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#20
I agree, but how do you enforce this?	LeftofU	Dec 2012	#21
All you can do is pass a law	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#23
Also it seems such laws would have to be local	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#24
That's the problem with the gun laws now. Underfunded and unenforceable.	LeftofU	Dec 2012	#25
So you would support increased taxes on gun/ammo sales to support regulation? n/t	ellisonz	Dec 2012	#27
Yep. I would. And I would like the extra revunue to go to mental health care and....	LeftofU	Dec 2012	#29
Glad to see you're willing to put your money where your mouth is...	ellisonz	Dec 2012	#30
Proposed changes are not arbitrary	BainsBane	Dec 2012	#28

Response to k2qb3 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:25 PM

Not Me (3,278 posts)

1. So now I have to further subsidize gun disease?

As much as I find that distasteful, I can see where it might work.

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:43 PM

part man all 86 (367 posts)

15. +1000

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Response to k2qb3 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:27 PM

taught_me_patience (3,857 posts)

2. Hell damn no

Why should I subsidize gun owners? How about forcing gun owners to carry liability insurance? Guess how much insurance will be if you don't have a safe?

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:32 PM

msongs (30,485 posts)

3. or jail time for gunners who have no gun safe? or allow other get their guns nt

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:35 PM

truebluegreen (1,635 posts)

4. Why do we have to pay people to do the right thing?

I'd rather tax them heavily, or, for the free-marketers out there, make them buy insurance and/or pay all damages...

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Response to k2qb3 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:47 PM

MichiganVote (18,982 posts)

5. How about fines instead.

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Response to MichiganVote (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:53 PM

Squinch (3,027 posts)

7. How about MASSIVE fines for inappropriate gun storage.

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Response to k2qb3 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:49 PM

k2qb3 (157 posts)

6. About what I expected.

Thanks.

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Response to k2qb3 (Reply #6)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:24 AM

WorseBeforeBetter (7,656 posts)

22. Fuck the little game you are playing here. I hear ad nauseam that gun fetishists...

are RESPONSIBLE; if so, they should already have safes. Why should taxpayers be on the hook for them to do the right thing? Fuck that.

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #22)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:45 AM

ellisonz (26,318 posts)

26. +1

I refuse to pay for their toys. Can't afford the safe? DON'T BUY THE GUN. This thread shows the callous nature of the gun crowd.

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:55 AM

WorseBeforeBetter (7,656 posts)

31. There's something very anti-social about them.

All the more reason they shouldn't be ANYWHERE NEAR guns.

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Response to k2qb3 (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:56 PM

bongbong (5,436 posts)

8. Gun safes

Are by no means the answer. Almost all gun safes are little more than a thick sheet metal door with a lock.

Look for "gun safe break" on youtube.

And even multi-thousand dollar gun safes - or any kind of safe - can be broken into in under 5 minutes. No explosives needed.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:22 PM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

16. State of California disagrees with you

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As does the security industry

I am sure that cause your delicate flowers to wilt

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:10 PM

bongbong (5,436 posts)

17. Prove it

As the Delicate Flowers like to say, "PROVE IT!"

Until you prove that all possible gun safes that people buy meet whatever qualification "State Of California disagree with you" means (whatever that means in English, anyway).

I'll be waiting for your proof. I've provided proof that common gun safes are easy to break into. Your turn to disprove the video where two guys bust up the gun safe in under 2 minutes.

Maybe you can go back in time and stop the video from being made.

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Response to bongbong (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:32 AM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

19. Cool video

Based on your recommendations I looked at about a dozen videos. The one with the kids was cute. Most were about one brand knocking another. The one you mentioned was just one of those.

Safe storage is important and something I strongly support. That model should have its CADOJ and UL ratings revoked. Its clearly inadequate.

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:18 PM

k2qb3 (157 posts)

12. No.

I was just wondering if the "if it saves one child" line was BS or not.

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:16 PM

we can do it (4,657 posts)

10. Hell no. How about a thousand dollar per gun per year license?

Insurance on each gun. Huge tax on ammo.

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:25 PM

SoCalDem (99,669 posts)

14. How about automatic/semi-automatic guns being allowed at GUN RANGES...only

and people who like to shoot things can go there ...rent one to use AT the range..and then go home, gunless.

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:15 PM

PA Democrat (10,987 posts)

18. How about a tax on ammunition instead?

Gun violence is costing the US an estimated $100 billion a year.

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Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:08 AM

BainsBane (9,418 posts)

20. I'm not paying for that crap

Make it mandatory to keep guns in a safe, period. Fuck the tax credit. Talk about nerve. These self-entitled people think the world owes them everything.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:17 AM

LeftofU (498 posts)

21. I agree, but how do you enforce this?

The number of gun and gun owners is astronomical. It would cost more than a credit to enforce home inspections. Then what about the "fruit of a poison tree" law? I mean the scenario of " I'm here to check your gun safe. Wait is that pot I smell?" is horrifying. But awareness, education and hopefully some better mental health access in the ACA will help reduce the violence.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:26 AM

BainsBane (9,418 posts)

23. All you can do is pass a law

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And if someone is found without a safe, fine them. If the gun ends up being used in a crime or to harm someone, the owner does jail time. The police are not going to go house to house looking for such things, but if they see a violation they can issue a citation.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #21)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:29 AM

BainsBane (9,418 posts)

24. Also it seems such laws would have to be local

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Municipal or state laws rather than federal. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't know how the federal govt could require something like that, and they certainty ave no way to enforce it. Federal laws seem to control at the point of sale and distribution.

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Response to BainsBane (Reply #24)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:35 AM

LeftofU (498 posts)

25. That's the problem with the gun laws now. Underfunded and unenforceable.

We have to come at this from a choice by society and not pass a bunch of arbitrary laws that may do more harm than good.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:46 AM

ellisonz (26,318 posts)

27. So you would support increased taxes on gun/ammo sales to support regulation? n/t

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #27)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:49 AM

LeftofU (498 posts)

29. Yep. I would. And I would like the extra revunue to go to mental health care and....

to help the families of gun violence.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #29)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:51 AM

ellisonz (26,318 posts)

30. Glad to see you're willing to put your money where your mouth is...

...even if it means less gun sales or an expanded black market. We need to put the screw to the gun industry and stop letting them pass the buck for their public safety costs to the unarmed taxpayer.

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Response to LeftofU (Reply #25)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 01:47 AM

BainsBane (9,418 posts)

28. Proposed changes are not arbitrary

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They regulate commerce, and it is entirely possible to regulate legal gun sales. Anyone who acquires a gun outside of legal parameters is a criminal and should be locked up. Ammunition can and should be heavily regulated and highly taxed to pay for the social and medical fallout from guns.

My post here was about a specific request for taxpayer welfare to subsidize gun owners. Not one dime of my taxes subsidizes them under any circumstances.

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