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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:51 AM

Dungeons and Dragons and Rock Music are warping our kids.

Check out this classic clip of Tom Hanks in "Mazes and Monsters" from 1982.

There were people who thought it was warping the kids. Remind you of anything else really stupid?



Then there was the PMRC Rock Music labeling hearings with Tipper Gore and Joseph Lieberman.

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Reply Dungeons and Dragons and Rock Music are warping our kids. (Original post)
Bonobo Dec 2012 OP
actslikeacarrot Dec 2012 #1
seabeyond Dec 2012 #2
theKed Dec 2012 #4
seabeyond Dec 2012 #7
theKed Dec 2012 #11
seabeyond Dec 2012 #12
AngryAmish Dec 2012 #15
theKed Dec 2012 #16
Bluenorthwest Dec 2012 #17
seabeyond Dec 2012 #22
theKed Dec 2012 #3
Hayabusa Dec 2012 #21
Jersey Devil Dec 2012 #5
eShirl Dec 2012 #8
dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #6
NeedleCast Dec 2012 #9
JHB Dec 2012 #10
snooper2 Dec 2012 #13
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #14
hobbit709 Dec 2012 #18
Jamastiene Dec 2012 #19
Saboburns Dec 2012 #20
HappyMe Dec 2012 #23

Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:54 AM

1. Ah yes...

...reminds me of my time in high school from mid to late 90's. Some friends and I played Magic the Gathering and you would have thought all hell had broken loose. Catholic school by the way. Some parents were complaining even though their child wasnt even around us. To this day I still dont worship satan, so I guess their fears were unfounded.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:55 AM

2. we look at fox news and KNOW how it effects the listeners thinking. yet, we pretend that all this

crap... the net, the games, the music, the tv shows, the porn, the rape culture has NO effects on our children.

how reasonable is that?

as a parent, from day one, i understood the environment my kids were in was important and had an effect on their development.

i spent their lifetime insuring their friends, school, what they watched, the people said around them was healthy and when it wasnt, we addressed, discussed in an age appropriate manner to they could put it in a healthy perspective.

yet... with any of these issues, we pretend there is no effect.

that does not make sense to me. studies do not bare it out. we know better. no responsible parent would leave kids to the outside world without filters.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:57 AM

4. Studies...

...that produce results like this?

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Response to theKed (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:01 AM

7. brilliant discussion. ya, this would be an example how people pretend. my 17 yr old did a report

recently on all this. not hard to do research, use critical thinking and actually discuss the issue. or.... present something like this.

so, you are suggesting the fox news has NO effect on the people watching?

good to know your position.

and environment really has NO effect on children.

right....

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:07 AM

11. You're right

it's not hard to do the research, and when you do it becomes very apparent that video games do not incite violent or aggressive behaviour.

Before you go putting even more words in my mouth (hey, thanks for that, btw), let's be clear: I am not talking about Fox News and whether or not it has an effect on people, and I'm not saying "environment" in the hazy, vague way you present it doesn't have an effect on people. Good to know you're ready to lump all sorts of unrelated topics together in the media witch hunt.

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Response to theKed (Reply #11)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:10 AM

12. of course you are not going to say fox news does not effect viewers because it does not fit in the

agenda.

and this is the predictable hypocrisy i continue to see with this discussion.

all this has an effect, on adults and kids. BUT.... what i like has NO effect.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:19 AM

15. There are lots of things people know

For example people knew that rotted meat created flies. People knew that witches were causing dismay in Salem.

As for Fox news, people find media that they agree with and confirms their prejudices. I think Fox does not change minds but confirms the prejudices of those whop watch it long term.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:24 AM

16. I'm not going to say fox news does not effect viewers

because that's not what we're talking about.

Everything has an effect, you're saying - which may very well be true - " BUT.... what i like has NO effect." ... except for what you approve of?

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #2)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:09 AM

17. Man of Straw alert!!!

No one is saying people should not supervise their own kids. To use that giant straw man to excuse your attempt to attack the arts is reprehensible. It really is.
If you have 'studies' to support your theory, why don't you share them rather than simply claim they exist?
Sad to see this bullshit here. I have to ask, have you ever taken your kids to a chruch were gay people are 'preached against'? Did you let them watch Rick Warren at the Inaugural without informing them he was a hate monger? How did you explain why Obama had a hate monger on stage with him, what was the mitigation you found for that? Or did you simply ignore what you were exposing your children to that day?
Selective vision you have.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #17)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 09:59 AM

22. talk about strawman, not to mention sad.

http://www.med.umich.edu/yourchild/topics/tv.htm

A great deal is known about children and television, because there have been thousands of studies on the subject. Researchers have studied how TV affects kids' sleep, weight, grades, behavior, and more. It’s worth looking at what the research says when deciding how to manage television in your family.

What about TV and aggressive or violent behavior?
Literally thousands of studies since the 1950s have asked whether there is a link between exposure to media violence and violent behavior. All but 18 have answered, "Yes." The evidence from the research is overwhelming. According to the AAP, "Extensive research evidence indicates that media violence can contribute to aggressive behavior, desensitization to violence, nightmares, and fear of being harmed." Watching violent shows is also linked with having less empathy toward others .

An average American child will see 200,000 violent acts and 16,000 murders on TV by age 18 .
Two-thirds of all programming contains violence .
Programs designed for children more often contain violence than adult TV .
Most violent acts go unpunished on TV and are often accompanied by humor. The consequences of human suffering and loss are rarely depicted.
Many shows glamorize violence. TV often promotes violent acts as a fun and effective way to get what you want, without consequences .
Even in G-rated, animated movies and DVDs, violence is common—often as a way for the good characters to solve their problems. Every single U.S. animated feature film produced between 1937 and 1999 contained violence, and the amount of violence with intent to injure has increased over the years .
Even "good guys" beating up "bad guys" gives a message that violence is normal and okay. Many children will try to be like their "good guy" heroes in their play.
Children imitate the violence they see on TV. Children under age eight cannot tell the difference between reality and fantasy, making them more vulnerable to learning from and adopting as reality the violence they see on TV .
Repeated exposure to TV violence makes children less sensitive toward its effects on victims and the human suffering it causes.
A University of Michigan researcher demonstrated that watching violent media can affect willingness to help others in need . Read about the study here: Comfortably Numb: Desensitizing Effects of Violent Media on Helping Others.
Viewing TV violence reduces inhibitions and leads to more aggressive behavior.
Watching television violence can have long-term effects:
A 15-year-long study by University of Michigan researchers found that the link between childhood TV-violence viewing and aggressive and violent behavior persists into adulthood .
A 17-year-long study found that teenaged boys who grew up watching more TV each day are more likely to commit acts of violence than those who watched less .
Even having the TV on in the home is linked to more aggressive behavior in 3-year-olds. This was regardless of the type of programming and regardless of whether the child was actually watching the TV .

http://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app#hl=en&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&q=study:+do+kids+watching+violent+tv+shows+act+out+violence+after&oq=study:+do+kids+watching+violent+tv+shows+act+out+violence+after&gs_l=hp.12...987.18434.0.19888.63.63.0.0.0.1.264.6974.15j46j1.62.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1.u3DRkLcW6Ak&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1355534169,d.b2I&fp=edf8435073bcf94&bpcl=40096503&biw=1600&bih=775




i have been reading up on and studying this for a decade. having kids, i felt it was important to do the research with child development from day one of conception. none of this is new. none of it is way out there. it is not even arguable. i could tell you about personal experience, and experiments seeing the effect and i am sure you will dismiss it.

ed ed and eddy, power girls, johnny bravo, sponge bob has an effect on the kids and though you call this "art" some see it as garbage that conditions and teaches and effects children development. and the role of the parent is to provide an environment of healthy growth. that would be the consideration. BUT...

what is really offensive and why i have stayed off du mostly over the last days, is the ugliness of your post. a reasonable discussion is not to be had. what is the garbage you try to give me here? because i do not tow the line of all "art" we are being fed as being healthy for us, you assign a lot of nasty roles to me.

suggesting i teach my kids to be homophobic and racist because i took the time to learn child development and took the time to implement healthy choices in my family is so far out there. the fact that i consider my kids development would suggest the opposite. but, that is not where you went in your argument. i really have little desire to discuss this, or much on du the last handful of days. but your post is so offensive, that i have to come back to reply. so i will state again.

i have two gay brother in laws we love with all our hearts. their being gay really has nothing to do with who they are as people, and why we love them. if hubby and i were to die, we willed our kids to his brother who would raise our children. we have a choice of lots of people to give our kids to. this man is by far the best choice for our children and their health, in case of a tragedy. to suggest that i would teach my kids to be bigots, to family members we love is truly so beyond offensive. your whole post is.

i wont be coming back to reply.

i will pretty much stay off du, while this type of reaction is what we see, in our interaction with each other.

and i will see the better of who we are, during this holiday season, without the ugliness.

Selective vision you have.


i am sure you see i have selective vision, when you fabricate falsehoods to project on me.


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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:56 AM

3. That Jack Chick was really onto something.



And don't worry, Jack Thompson will save us all. Right after he fixes that whole "disbarment" thing.

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Response to theKed (Reply #3)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:31 AM

21. I'm jealous

I reached 7th level and still haven't been invited... Maybe my charisma isn't high enough, yet...

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:59 AM

5. Reminds me of a very funny incident when I was coaching baseball

I was coaching a group of 10-12 year olds and during the game the kid playing centerfield just let a fly ball drop in right in front of him without ever even trying to catch it. This kid was one of our best fielders and I couldn't figure out what happened.

After the half inning when he was in the dugout I said to him, "It's OK if you don't catch a ball as long as you try but how come you never even tried?" His response was, "Dungeons and dragons, dungeons and dragons, I can't stop thinking about dungeons and dragons." I asked him if he wanted to go back out to the outfield the next inning and he told me, "No, I have to finish this game in my head."

I don't think video games are particularly harmful to kids but I do think that sometimes they obsess on them s bit too much like my centerfielder. My kids played these games too and that didn't stop them from knowing the difference between fanstasy and reality.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:01 AM

8. sounds like there might have been something else going on with that kid

just a guess

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:00 AM

6. LOL. In `1982, my teen boys

were introducing ME to good rock music, esp. Pink floyd, and...oh, yeah, Bob seeger... and happily spending the rainy days playing Dungeons and Dragons.

Much later, even up to present time, they are now joing their father, online, for multiplayer shoot 'em games.
Have no clue what game, all I know is one of them has a game name of Major Catastrophe.
( prolly their dad, who I divorced centuries ago).

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:04 AM

9. I love that Dee Snyder showed up in a jean jacket and tank top

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:07 AM

10. It's them dime novels the yung'us get at the stand by the nickelodeon



Same story, only the specific target changes.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:15 AM

13. Al Gore - "And what does SMF stand for when it's spelled out?"

Dee Snider- "It stands for the sick motherfucking friends of twisted sister"

Al Gore- "Is this also a Christian Group?"



, fucking Al Gore

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 10:16 AM

14. We better blame the Internet, too...

 

Only pre-filtered corporate information should reach us and our children so as not to warp us and "make us violent."

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:14 AM

18. I can remember when members of Congress claimed rock music was a Communist plot to

subvert our youth.
At the same time there were members of the Politburo that claimed rock music was a Capitalist plot to subvert their youth.

Actually they were both right. It was a plot to subvert their youth but it was neither communist nor capitalist.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:14 AM

19. So, are people going to now start having

book video game burning ceremonies all over the country?

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:22 AM

20. I blame parents who spend hours posting on Internet message boards

Instead of being in their children's lives.

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Response to Bonobo (Original post)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 10:07 AM

23. It's that damn Elvis!!!1

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