That was an absolutely beautiful speech.

Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:58 PM

Autumn (11,270 posts)

1. I was in tears

it was wonderful.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:58 PM

tilsammans (2,525 posts)

2. When a link is available, please post it

For those of us who couldn't tune in. Thanks!

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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:13 PM

proud2BlibKansan (96,357 posts)

9. I'm sure it will be posted.

It was really beautiful. And the audience was completely silent. That was amazing.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:25 PM

Chico Man (2,478 posts)

11. Not totally silent

There was sobbing in the background

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:22 PM

Hekate (21,206 posts)

34. Silence - sobs - and a standing ovation

Gods bless those heartbroken people. And may this country -- especially the Congress -- finally finally do something intelligent about this evil.

Hekate

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Response to tilsammans (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:18 PM

Tx4obama (28,772 posts)

10. Here's a video link below

Here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/101786813

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:58 PM

NRaleighLiberal (28,577 posts)

3. K and R with pride and in tears...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:59 PM

skeewee08 (1,892 posts)

4. Yes it was......

K&R

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:00 PM

Siwsan (1,815 posts)

5. I am running out of tissues

That was an amazing speech. You could tell it came straight from his heart.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:01 PM

MindMover (2,798 posts)

6. God called them home ...

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Response to MindMover (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:08 PM

Laochtine (307 posts)

8. I know this will be unpopular

but couldn't god have called the nut case home before he killed everyone else.

Or should we realize that we as humans must take care of the disturbed ones and protect everyone
around us, that our welfare depends on everyone caring for each other and not be selfish.

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Response to Laochtine (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:27 PM

MindMover (2,798 posts)

12. I was quoting the President ... and I agree with your summation ...

the reason he turned the gun on others is because he externalized his hopeless, helpless feelings and took that hostility out on the people around him and his mother ...

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Response to MindMover (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:42 PM

Laochtine (307 posts)

16. I know, I'm glad he made the speech

And hope reforms are brought to both guns and mental heath. The social contract IMO is a lot deeper than a religion.

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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:33 PM

pnwmom (43,090 posts)

14. Then people would be puppets without free will. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:49 PM

Laochtine (307 posts)

17. So the gunman's freewill

trumps the executed? Is your god even needed in this equation? Do prayers effect freewill, if not why pray. Your god seems
very sadistic, feeding on the hope that will never be.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:59 PM

NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)

37. Not really.

What about his car breaking down on the way to school? Or the gun not firing? etc. Supposedly god does such things all the time.

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #37)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:35 AM

roody (7,492 posts)

46. My hope is that he had to soften

them up with god talk since we are going to have some meaningful gun control.

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:26 PM

agracie (470 posts)

58. Yep. n/t

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Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 22, 2012, 10:14 PM

Laochtine (307 posts)

63. He/she does fear

Iron chariots

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Response to Laochtine (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:56 PM

Atypical Liberal (5,412 posts)

57. I have veen thinking this also. I resent being asked to pray to a god.

I resent being asked to pray to this idea of a god who is supposed to be powerful enough to "give strength" to the hundreds of people affected by this man but who lacked either the ability or the compassion to take strength away from the shooter.

And I'm mad that people think that by praying they have done something productive to help the situation.

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Response to Atypical Liberal (Reply #57)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:24 PM

zuzu98 (450 posts)

59. thank you for daying this

It is exactly how I feel but have been unable to articulate.

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Response to MindMover (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:36 PM

skepticscott (7,294 posts)

23. Yes, of course..the slaughter of innocent children

is all part of "god's plan" and delusional people are just supposed to accept that.

How sickening. And even worse that the president would say it. But half of his speech was a handjob for the religious right and the teabaggers.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:44 PM

MindMover (2,798 posts)

25. We all can't be as pragmatically simple minded as you are ... now can we ...

Last edited Tue Dec 18, 2012, 02:58 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

some of us have what we have worked very hard to acquire over millions of years .... we call them emotions ....

and anyway, who said it was "God's plan" YOU DID

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Response to MindMover (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:49 PM

skepticscott (7,294 posts)

26. If your implication is

that I have none in this case, sorry..fail. And if there's any simple-mindedness apparent, it's yours.

Now would you care to discuss facts, or just emote and think that addresses and solves everything?

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #26)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:02 PM

mac56 (13,645 posts)

29. Too soon.

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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:09 PM

MindMover (2,798 posts)

31. Exactly, way too soon ...

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #26)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:02 AM

NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)

39. Tonight? Yes, for one night I personally WOULD like to just "emote" as we remember

the victims of this tragedy. Sometimes we need to take a few minutes to step away from the policy debates that inevitably surround an event like this and mourn the lives lost.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:49 PM

Chorophyll (5,042 posts)

36. You have got to be kidding me.

How would YOU have spoken to the people of this community tonight?

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:27 AM

skepticscott (7,294 posts)

43. I certainly wouldn't

have blamed god for what happened. Or invoked him at every conceivable opportunity. But I suppose Obama had no choice. No politician can function in public in this country without making regular homage to the almighty of the Bible, and it would be political suicide to stand up there and wonder why any god worth worshipping, any god as kind and loving and merciful as the one Obama purported to be be talking about, would have inflicted such grief and suffering, or allowed it to occur.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:44 AM

Chorophyll (5,042 posts)

44. You know, I'm not a religious person.

But your agenda can wait a few days.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #43)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:53 PM

Myrina (8,913 posts)

55. Agree.

I found myself pretty disturbed by most of the event.
And some of it almost seemed cult-like in the 'chant-response' aspects.

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:36 PM

skepticscott (7,294 posts)

60. I was more than a bit disturbed too

but apparently we are in the minority.

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Response to MindMover (Reply #6)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:33 AM

roody (7,492 posts)

45. Pres O could have lightened up on the god

bs after a couple of mentions. God did not kill the kids.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:02 PM

CherokeeDem (1,846 posts)

7. Our President ....

is a truly compassionate and courageous man. He gave an amazing speech and demonstrated the courage to do something to prevent future carnage.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:29 PM

ThePhilosopher04 (475 posts)

13. Only one person on earth could have given that speech.

Last edited Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:30 PM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

that is all.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:34 PM

YvonneCa (8,963 posts)

15. Finally we have a President...

...with the courage to do what's right for children. I am so grateful he is taking on the violence issue...and the NRA. Teachers at Sandy Hook School showed great courage. How could the rest of us do any less? Thank you, President Obama!

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:57 PM

GoldenOldie (1,501 posts)

19. 'It does take a village.

I am truly thankful that my two daughters had the caring input and love of the grandparents, aunts, uncles, family friends, neighbors. With all of their support and caring of my children, and yes, telling them when their actions were unacceptable, they have grown into adulthood, with a deep compassion and interest in others who may be different than themselves. This has only come about, from knowing all those they encountered that were different from their parents. For us as their parents, we welcomed and truly listened to all of their input on their understanding of our children. Each and everyone of them who helped in the growth of our daughters has left an indelible imprints in the hearts of our children. As a parent I feel blessed for now my adult children have grandchildren of their own, it has all passed down. I have learned through my childhood and my children's, that the more opportunities you give to your children to learn about individual personalities, religions, etc., the more your children will learn to understand, and appreciate the differences.

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Response to GoldenOldie (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:13 PM

YvonneCa (8,963 posts)

47. Eloquently...

...stated. My sentiments exactly. It DOES 'Take a Village.'

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:52 PM

skepticscott (7,294 posts)

27. Sorry, but don't kid yourself

He won't be taking on anything. If he could, ask yourself why he waited until the fourth slaughter under his administration to do so.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:01 PM

mac56 (13,645 posts)

28. You are an effective advocate for your point of view.

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Response to mac56 (Reply #28)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:21 AM

skepticscott (7,294 posts)

42. Sorry, I've seen this same dance too many times

Big shooting incident, lots of people dead, media feeding frenzy, all of the pre-programmed reactions from the grief industry, endless hand-wringing by pundits and politicians, endless posts here with all variations on "this insanity must stop" and "we have to stand up to the gun nuts", etc., and then after a few weeks, everyone's attention shifts back to American Idol, or Dancing With the Stars or whatever.

Expect nothing different this time. Really.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #42)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:15 PM

YvonneCa (8,963 posts)

48. I disagree. Something is very different...

...this time. Sorry you have lost hope. I have NOT.

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Response to YvonneCa (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:44 PM

skepticscott (7,294 posts)

53. Maybe Obama even thinks so

but that doesn't change the fact that he's acting out of political expediency and convenience rather than personal courage. As pointed out, if it were the latter, he would have acted after the first slaughter, not the fourth. It also doesn't change the fact that there is no long-term political traction for the type of gun restrictions that would make any difference, and no long-term concern by the pop-culture addled public. In a few months, we'll be back to the status quo. Maybe a little more hot air in Congress first, but no meaningful changes.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #53)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:09 PM

YvonneCa (8,963 posts)

54. Again, I disagree. President Obama IS...

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...a very smart politician. In 2009, after the first shooting on his watch, I think he made a call (as PRESIDENT) that the economic crisis /health care costs took precedence over confronting the NRA. He put the economy first, probably because the politician in him saw that confronting the NRA and 2nd Amendment issues at that time would ruin the chance to stabilize our economy.

That fight was tough. I think he made the correct call.

Now, since the other crises have occurred and the debate has had time (sadly) to grow, the politics is right...risky, dangerous and challenging...but right.

I believe the President has always known what was right to fix this issue...but that he wants to be sure the effort will succeed. The sad thing about what happened at Newtown is that the overwhelming sadness of the country about what happened is EXACTLY what will propel us to legislative success. JMHO. I think the President demonstrates great courage in doing this.

HOPE, skeptiscott...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 PM

bluemarkers (454 posts)

18. 3 family friends rwnjs hated it

said it was too political....

Gawd

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Response to bluemarkers (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:09 PM

GoldenOldie (1,501 posts)

20. Those who listen, but do not hear!

How sad, they have closed minds and hearts. They had already decided that no matter what Obama said, they would find it "political." Or, to the point, he is a Black man, a "liberal," and unworthy of their acceptance. In other words, they are total fools.......they only are capable of accepting words of the Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reillys.....who are only out to fill their pockets and could care less about anyone other than themselves and use the "fools," who buy into the "it's to political."

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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:31 PM

bluemarkers (454 posts)

22. they are the meanest people

told me I was a fool for voting for Obama. Hate the ACA blah blah blah

They are the one who are foolish, because their hatred has blinded them.

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Response to bluemarkers (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:09 PM

ginnyinWI (13,782 posts)

32. I feel kind of sorry for those people who don't see Obama's greatness.

A little bit sorry anyway.

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Response to bluemarkers (Reply #18)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:19 PM

YvonneCa (8,963 posts)

49. It was a little bit political, but COURAGEOUSLY...

...so. RW uses that as an excuse to not fix the problem. It works for them...and the NRA. President Obama is taking huge risks by doing this. I think he is choosing courage, and I completely support him.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:15 PM

Joe the Progressive (13 posts)

21. Here, here!

The President excels in these situations, which unfortunately he has had to do too many times. I clouded up when he read the children's names.

Sleep in heavenly peace little ones.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:40 PM

Uncle Joe (24,997 posts)

24. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, proud2BlibKansan.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:05 PM

ginnyinWI (13,782 posts)

30. One of our greatest Presidents.

I sat in awe; I could not move. He expressed every thought and feeling the sensitive among us have been feeling. Thank you, Mr. President, thank you.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #30)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:22 PM

YvonneCa (8,963 posts)

51. Me, too, ginnyinWI...

...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:15 PM

Hekate (21,206 posts)

33. It was extremely hard and extremely gutsy

It was extremely hard and extremely gutsy

It was like watching someone walk a tightrope with no safety net. I say it again: God bless the man.

We better have his back tomorrow and all the tomorrows, because there are those who will be gunning for him in every sense of the word.

Hekate

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Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:20 PM

YvonneCa (8,963 posts)

50. Yes. He is making a courageous choice. n/t

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:25 PM

Neutrino_603 (28 posts)

35. Absolutely

kick...

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:59 PM

NYC Liberal (15,599 posts)

38. K&R I agree 100%.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:35 AM

loyalsister (6,879 posts)

40. President Obama listens

I think he may have read this piece from the NY Times. And picked up a theme of responsibility... personal, community, and national responsibility to the children in this country.

Why America Lets the Killings Continue

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/14/opinion/why-we-let-the-school-shootings-continue.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Ending with this..

"More horrible still — to me at least — is the inevitable lament, “How could we have let this happen?”

It is a horrible question because the answer is so simple. Make it easy for people to get guns and things like this will happen.

Children will continue to pay for a freedom their elders enjoy."

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:47 AM

Gothmog (4,431 posts)

41. It was a great speech

This was a very effective call for action.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:39 PM

arcane1 (19,949 posts)

52. Kicking to watch later n/t

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:54 PM

cleanhippie (14,469 posts)

56. It really was moving.

Except for the nonsensical god stuff and pandering to the religious, it was exactly what was needed.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 07:38 PM

bluestate10 (8,569 posts)

61. Action is more important than words now.

I am and have been a big supporter of the President. But we need him to use all the power of his office to bring about rational policy on gun ownership and mental health care.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:54 PM

Iggy (1,418 posts)

62. You've Got to Be Kidding Me...

Was he channeling Rev. Wright?

His "God has called them home" was about as outrageous as it gets. Really?? The parents and families of these slaughtered children are supposed to believe this was God's will? God called them home at the hands of a deranged person who shot each child at least three times in the head? One child was shot ELEVEN times.

????

This is beyond astonishing to me.

VERY poor choice of words.

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63 replies	Author	Time	Post
That was an absolutely beautiful speech. (Original post)	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2012	OP
I was in tears	Autumn	Dec 2012	#1
When a link is available, please post it	tilsammans	Dec 2012	#2
I'm sure it will be posted.	proud2BlibKansan	Dec 2012	#9
Not totally silent	Chico Man	Dec 2012	#11
Silence - sobs - and a standing ovation	Hekate	Dec 2012	#34
Here's a video link below	Tx4obama	Dec 2012	#10
K and R with pride and in tears...	NRaleighLiberal	Dec 2012	#3
Yes it was......	skeewee08	Dec 2012	#4
I am running out of tissues	Siwsan	Dec 2012	#5
God called them home ...	MindMover	Dec 2012	#6
I know this will be unpopular	Laochtine	Dec 2012	#8
I was quoting the President ... and I agree with your summation ...	MindMover	Dec 2012	#12
I know, I'm glad he made the speech	Laochtine	Dec 2012	#16
Then people would be puppets without free will. nt	pnwmom	Dec 2012	#14
So the gunman's freewill	Laochtine	Dec 2012	#17
Not really.	NYC Liberal	Dec 2012	#37
My hope is that he had to soften	roody	Dec 2012	#46
Yep. n/t	agracie	Dec 2012	#58
He/she does fear	Laochtine	Dec 2012	#63
I have veen thinking this also. I resent being asked to pray to a god.	Atypical Liberal	Dec 2012	#57
thank you for daying this	zuzu98	Dec 2012	#59
Yes, of course..the slaughter of innocent children	skepticscott	Dec 2012	#23
We all can't be as pragmatically simple minded as you are ... now can we ...	MindMover	Dec 2012	#25
If your implication is	skepticscott	Dec 2012	#26
Too soon.	mac56	Dec 2012	#29
Exactly, way too soon ...	MindMover	Dec 2012	#31
Tonight? Yes, for one night I personally WOULD like to just "emote" as we remember	NYC Liberal	Dec 2012	#39
You have got to be kidding me.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#36
I certainly wouldn't	skepticscott	Dec 2012	#43
You know, I'm not a religious person.	Chorophyll	Dec 2012	#44
Agree.	Myrina	Dec 2012	#55
I was more than a bit disturbed too	skepticscott	Dec 2012	#60
Pres O could have lightened up on the god	roody	Dec 2012	#45
Our President ....	CherokeeDem	Dec 2012	#7
Only one person on earth could have given that speech.	ThePhilosopher04	Dec 2012	#13
Finally we have a President...	YvonneCa	Dec 2012	#15
'It does take a village.	GoldenOldie	Dec 2012	#19
Eloquently...	YvonneCa	Dec 2012	#47
Sorry, but don't kid yourself	skepticscott	Dec 2012	#27
You are an effective advocate for your point of view.	mac56	Dec 2012	#28
Sorry, I've seen this same dance too many times	skepticscott	Dec 2012	#42
I disagree. Something is very different...	YvonneCa	Dec 2012	#48
Maybe Obama even thinks so	skepticscott	Dec 2012	#53
Again, I disagree. President Obama IS...	YvonneCa	Dec 2012	#54
3 family friends rwnjs hated it	bluemarkers	Dec 2012	#18
Those who listen, but do not hear!	GoldenOldie	Dec 2012	#20
they are the meanest people	bluemarkers	Dec 2012	#22
I feel kind of sorry for those people who don't see Obama's greatness.	ginnyinWI	Dec 2012	#32
It was a little bit political, but COURAGEOUSLY...	YvonneCa	Dec 2012	#49
Here, here!	Joe the Progressive	Dec 2012	#21
Kicked and recommended.	Uncle Joe	Dec 2012	#24
One of our greatest Presidents.	ginnyinWI	Dec 2012	#30
Me, too, ginnyinWI...	YvonneCa	Dec 2012	#51
It was extremely hard and extremely gutsy	Hekate	Dec 2012	#33
Yes. He is making a courageous choice. n/t	YvonneCa	Dec 2012	#50
Absolutely	Neutrino_603	Dec 2012	#35
K&R I agree 100%.	NYC Liberal	Dec 2012	#38
President Obama listens	loyalsister	Dec 2012	#40
It was a great speech	Gothmog	Dec 2012	#41
Kicking to watch later n/t	arcane1	Dec 2012	#52
It really was moving.	cleanhippie	Dec 2012	#56
Action is more important than words now.	bluestate10	Dec 2012	#61
You've Got to Be Kidding Me...	Iggy	Dec 2012	#62