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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:47 PM

Even in "enlightened" enclaves like DU, we can have a forum for guns & killing, but not sex

What does that say about us as a culture?

Even us, here at this site?

In other words, we have a forum where plenty of gun porn has been posted -- loving, rapturous descriptions of all the "new equipment" being bought, pictures being posted, etc.

You can talk about your hunting trips, and killing deer, boar, and all manner of critters (hopefully you're eating them, though)

But a forum where a loving, rapturous picture of naked body can be posted!? Where the masturbation is actual masturbation, and not just displaced to gun lust? No no no!

That would be "raunchy" and "seedy" and somehow bad.

Killing and killing machines: Good!

Fucking and naked bodies: Bad!

Even here.

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Reply Even in "enlightened" enclaves like DU, we can have a forum for guns & killing, but not sex (Original post)
villager Dec 2012 OP
Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #1
villager Dec 2012 #2
Posteritatis Dec 2012 #12
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #16
Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #19
Major Nikon Dec 2012 #26
Evergreen Emerald Dec 2012 #29
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #3
villager Dec 2012 #4
cui bono Dec 2012 #21
BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #22
cui bono Dec 2012 #23
MadrasT Dec 2012 #5
cui bono Dec 2012 #20
polemic_realism Dec 2012 #6
villager Dec 2012 #7
leveymg Dec 2012 #8
RetroLounge Dec 2012 #9
villager Dec 2012 #14
Fumesucker Dec 2012 #10
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #11
zappaman Dec 2012 #18
originalpckelly Dec 2012 #13
uppityperson Dec 2012 #15
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #17
Sirveri Dec 2012 #24
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #25
MichaelHarris Dec 2012 #27
Skittles Dec 2012 #28

Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:52 PM

1. You want a porn forum?

Video? Toy shop? Wha?

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:53 PM

2. Well, why gun porn, but not porn porn? Why Thanatos and not Eros?

That's the general question.

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:31 PM

12. Kind of an excellent example of the OP's point. (nt)

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:50 PM

16. Yeah, that was his point. Sheesh. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:08 PM

19. Sheesh is right

Sheesh

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Response to Evergreen Emerald (Reply #19)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:43 AM

26. Has nothing to do with wanting one

It has more to do with a culture that is fine with openly glorifying violence, but openly glorifying sex is forbidden. Your comments and reaction prove his point. It would be preposterous to have a porn forum here, but if you think about it, it's even more preposterous to have a violence "porn" forum. Yet we do.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #26)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 11:32 PM

29. I disagree with your premise

And I think it depends on your definition of porn. A forum on guns is different than a forum on violence. A forum on sex is very different than a forum on porn.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:03 PM

3. I come here to get away from all that

Or should I have said "visit"?

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:05 PM

4. I'd like to get away from fawning gun nut posts, but those are here too

The point is why is one acceptable, and the other isn't?

Guns are "political?" So is sex.

Gun laws get debated? So do sex laws.

But why is it AOK for someone to post some loving ode to a killing machine, but a loving ode to a device that gives you orgasms.. would be alert material?

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #3)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:35 PM

21. And many would like to get away from the gun crap here.

That's the point of the OP.

I don't go into the gun forum but I am alarmed that people on this board would defend assault weapons and semi-automatic/autmatic weapons that are in no way used for hunting and have no good purpose in the hands of private citizens, especially when they can be obtained without permits and background checks.

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Response to cui bono (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:38 PM

22. Haven't enjoyed that either

But I think we're talking false choice here.

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Response to BeyondGeography (Reply #22)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:53 PM

23. Yeah, but I think it was posted just to illustrate a point.

I don't want a porn forum here, but I'd like to not have a gun forum either.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:06 PM

5. Try FetLife. n/t

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Response to MadrasT (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:31 PM

20. Try getting the point of the OP. n/t

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:09 PM

6. it's a pretend taboo

I've always thought that the reason sex (or sexually charged images/conversation/experimentation) is made to seem so forbidden or dirty in our culture by certain media strategies and institutions is to allow us to think we are doing something "dangerous" and "wild". By making everything titillating, we stay always in half-arousal and distraction. It's just another thing to keep us from throwing down our tools and taking to the streets for legitimate change and progress.

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Response to polemic_realism (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:18 PM

7. So if it's a control mechanism -- and doubtless that's part of it -- why is killing AOK?

In other words, it may be more than just distraction.

I mean, if everyone were basically spiritually and physically happy all the time (agreed that sex and the institutions around it are set up so that we always seem to be "malnourished" in that regard, even while being overwhelmed with titillation), that would be dangerous to society's architects and owners.

Which must be part of the reason it's okay for us to kill each other, instead.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:24 PM

8. I remember when Saturday night sex talk in the Lounge at DU was more active than the Gungeoun

Things have changed in the last couple years since this place started catering to every perverse corner of national big tent politics.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:27 PM

9. "Locking, No Sex Threads. Gun porn is okay."

Yup

RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:40 PM

14. that's pretty much it. Even here in the "Underground."

n/t

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:29 PM

10. But what about the children?

Remember how Janet Jackson's nipple nearly caused the downfall of American society?

We cannot risk aiding that on DU.


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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:30 PM

11. What, you want real porn instead of gun port?

You un-American or something?

Where is the fainting couch? Get the fainting salts?

( just giving you a hard time, but you are correct, show a tit...horror of horror...show an sks, gotta have one!)

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:01 PM

18. What is gun port? n/t

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:32 PM

13. Nailed it.

Oh my, perhaps a different phrase would have been better to use?

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:44 PM

15. tv & movies, violence is more acceptable than sex. Even minor sex. It is wild.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:52 PM

17. I think it reflects our Christian influence. Violence ok, sex taboo. nm

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Response to villager (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:30 AM

24. It's probably because the forum isn't limited to 18+

I never really understood the 'no sex thread' aspect. I suspect it's because this website isn't limited to 18+, thus they could run afoul of some very nasty anti-pedophilia laws if they allow it.

But it would give us a place to dump the quarterly circumcision threads.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 05:34 AM

25. Who is posting "gun porn"? Not sure where you get this.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:05 AM

27. My thoughts on

that forum are well known. It serves no purpose.

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Response to villager (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:10 AM

28. WE COULD have had a forum about sex

but juveniles and perverts ruled the day

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