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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:43 AM

MSM coverage is even worse than usual. Was Nancy Lanza a teacher at the school or not?

Minor point ... in view of the scope of the tragedy.... but it seems to me MSM/police would at least be able to determine this definitively by now.

ASK the surviving staff .


And if the answer is "no"... what was the shooter's "connection to the school"?

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Reply MSM coverage is even worse than usual. Was Nancy Lanza a teacher at the school or not? (Original post)
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 OP
Recursion Dec 2012 #1
DonViejo Dec 2012 #2
Lasher Dec 2012 #4
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #9
Lasher Dec 2012 #11
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #13
Lasher Dec 2012 #19
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #29
Lasher Dec 2012 #34
DonViejo Dec 2012 #23
Lasher Dec 2012 #3
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #5
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #7
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #10
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #12
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #14
retread Dec 2012 #16
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #20
Paladin Dec 2012 #17
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #21
Lasher Dec 2012 #37
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #25
jberryhill Dec 2012 #27
arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #6
Jennicut Dec 2012 #8
TorchTheWitch Dec 2012 #18
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #22
Coyotl Dec 2012 #15
Smarmie Doofus Dec 2012 #26
jberryhill Dec 2012 #28
Jennicut Dec 2012 #31
mentalsolstice Dec 2012 #33
tawadi Dec 2012 #24
Wellstone ruled Dec 2012 #30
duffyduff Dec 2012 #32
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #35
duffyduff Dec 2012 #38
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #39
duffyduff Dec 2012 #40
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #36
slutticus Dec 2012 #41

Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:45 AM

1. I thought it was confirmed he had gone to the school as a kid? (nt)

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:50 AM

2. No, she wasn't a teacher at the school and...

there was a report in an OP the shooter had attended that school. There's also an OP reporting the shooter had a confrontation with four officials at the school a day or two before the shooting. Three of the four officials were killed.

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Response to DonViejo (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:57 AM

4. Adam Lanza was not involved in an earlier altercation.

Earlier reports that the suspected shooter, Adam Lanza, had an altercation with four adults at the school on Thursday have been investigated and are not accurate, according to a law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation.

Lt. J. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police noted in a news conference Saturday that he knew of no reports about Lanza being involved in any altercations at the school.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/12/15/children-and-adults-gunned-down-in-connecticut-school-massacre/

There is much confusion regarding this tragedy.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:18 AM

9. When I heard that story I couldn't understand why there was no security at the school the next day

That would be SOP at any school. A crazed person comes to a school one day, you have security there for a few days afterwards.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:25 AM

11. I read the Wikipedia article

It is very helpful in sorting through the misinformation. I linked it downthread but here it is again:

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting

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Response to Lasher (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:39 AM

13. Amazing. Better information there than anywhere.

Our media so sucks.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:47 AM

19. I have often found this to be the case

regarding both your observations.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:09 PM

29. Good,clear, lean, spare and ( I hope) more or less factual account. Thanks. n/t

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #29)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:22 PM

34. And replete with supporting links.

This can help us decide for ourselves how factual and unbiased the article is.

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Response to Lasher (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:18 PM

23. Thanks for the correction, Lasher! Much appreciated. n/t

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 AM

3. No.

There was no connection between Nancy Lanza and the school. Adam Lanza had no known connection either, except that he might have attended there when he was younger.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:05 AM

5. There are reports there he had an altercation there the day before

You are right about commenting how FUBAR the media has been on this one

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:12 AM

7. All they have to do is ASK THE STAFF.

Either she worked there or she didn't work there.

Either the staff knew her or did NOT know her.


This ( part of it, anyway) is not complicated.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:21 AM

10. They've been unusually quiet.

I've seen a couple interviewed about the shooting. But if that school had 600 kids, there had to have been 30 or 40 on staff. The district must have clamped down pretty hard on media requests.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:33 AM

12. Oh. Great. Jesus. Now ed bureaucracy is involved?

Are you saying people are afraid to answer that simple question for fear of repercussions from higher-ups?

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:42 AM

14. Makes sense to me.

What other reason could there be for 30+ people to NOT be talking to the media? And you know they're being deluged with requests. I would imagine some are traumatized and don't want to talk to the media. But I also know there are likely to be several who would gladly do so, and probably want to.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:01 AM

16. Because 20 babies under their direct care were slaughtered by a rabid animal??

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Response to retread (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:53 AM

20. They don't want to lose their jobs

School districts are notoriously strict about employees talking to the media. I would imagine that some of the staff members at this school are not willing to talk to reporters but I also think several would probably willingly do so, thinking it may help. But their employer has told them not to do so.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:08 AM

17. So Sorry The School System Isn't Meeting Your High Standards.


Do you think that---just speculating, now---those educators may have a considerable amount of duties to attend to right now and in upcoming days, duties which are traumatic and gut-wrenchingly difficult in nature? Give that some thought.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:55 AM

21. Not the staff, no.

School district administrators are probably overwhelmed. But the teachers and other staff - no. What do you think they would be doing?

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:47 PM

37. Families of the deceased have asked the press to respect their privacy.

The school staff is similarly grieving. It's not the same thing, but I think this is a legitimate factor.

Another thing is, there are good reasons for any organization to channel information through a spokesperson at a time like this. I think you make a good point, though.

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Response to Paladin (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:48 PM

25. No idea what you're talking about. Rephrase it and I'll "give it some thought." n/t

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:02 PM

27. How would that answer if she had worked there in the past?

Do you know all former employees of your present employer?

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:09 AM

6. Not, at least that is my understanding at this

point.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:15 AM

8. Adam Lanza may have attended the school or at least knew a lot about it.

My husband's best friend grew up in Newtown and did not attend Sandy Hook but played some sports games there as a kid. Newtown is not that big. There was only 4 elementary schools there.

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Response to Jennicut (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:28 AM

18. He did attend as a child and then attended Newtown High

According to the mother's ex-sister-in-law, she had some kind of issue with the school board about the school's plans for him (no idea what's meant by that) and pulled him out of school to home school him sometime around the 10th grade. The ex-sister-in-law also said that at some time she worked at the school as a classroom aide.

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Response to TorchTheWitch (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:58 AM

22. Sounds like he was a kid with a disability.

Parents sometimes disagree with programming recommendations made by the school for kids with disabilities. I'm a special ed teacher and the kids I work with are much more likely to be homeschooled than the kids without disabilities. At least that's typical where I teach. I'm not sure about CT.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:51 AM

15. This article answers your question. Also, Adam was home schooled.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/15/us/connecticut-lanza-family-profile/index.html
Adam Lanza's family: Mom liked parlor games, guns; dad, a tax exec, remarried
By Michael Martinez and David Ariosto, CNN Dec 16, 2012

Marsha Lanza, an aunt to Adam Lanza, described him ... "He was definitely the challenge of the family in that house. .....

She said Adam Lanza's mother "battled" with the school board and ended up having her son home-schooled. ...

Neighbor Gina McDade said Nancy Lanza was a "stay-at-home mom" and not a teacher or part-time employee of Sandy Hook Elementary, as some media reports stated.

.... The friend said Nancy was devoted to her sons and had been "caring for Adam," but would not provide further details. ....


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Response to Coyotl (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:50 PM

26. That helps. Thanks. Re. Home schooling: yes and no, it would appear.

Yesterday's NY Times had descriptions provided by HS classmates.

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Response to Coyotl (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:08 PM

28. Home schooled? Uhmmmm...

He's third from the right in this high school yearbook picture.


That's a big home school.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:38 PM

31. I think he was homeschool after 10th grade.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #28)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:19 PM

33. Many home schooled kids participate in regular school activities

In fact it is encouraged by most public school districts, to prevent kids from being too isolated.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:44 PM

24. I'm about to pull out my tin foil hat

Something smells fishy. I know the mother had "problems" with the school board. So much so that she home schooled her son (the shooter). The reporters need to dig deeper into this. Something is being covered up.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:09 PM

30. Opertive question is,

first we need a investigative reporter. The real back story is our MEDIA's lack of reporting skill sets. Notice the perfect make-up and blow-combed hair styles. Proper clothing color balance. Right backdrop or staging. When the story broke,CNN and some backwater hack newspaper wanted the feed and nothing more,just through shit to the public. What a shame we came this far and the facts are still made from whole cloth of YELLOW JOURNALISM.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:43 PM

32. The fact is her name wasn't on the staff roster at the website

Last edited Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:00 PM - Edit history (1)

although the website was probably outdated for this school year because a couple of the slain teachers were not mentioned on there.

Edit: The website appears to be current at the time of the shootings. To recap from the best of my knowledge: A principal (Dawn Hocksprung), a school psychologist (Mary Sherlach), two teacher assistants (Rachel Davino and Anne Marie Murphy), one teacher (Victoria Soto), and one permanent substitute teacher (Lauren Rousseau) were the adult victims at Sandy Hook Elementary School, not counting the killer himself.


Nancy Lanza wasn't on any staff roster and didn't have to work anyway.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:24 PM

35. They still don't know.

I've covered a few chaotic scenes, but 72 hours on...something is raising my cackles. First 36 hours, sure. I get it.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:01 PM

38. All one has to do is look at the staff roster

Nancy Lanza was never on it, so she was not a teacher there.

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Response to duffyduff (Reply #38)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:05 PM

39. Two of the dead teachers were not in the roster either.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:25 PM

40. They weren't teachers, that's why

Read my post upthread. Two were teacher assistants, and many school websites don't list teacher aides or assistants on their websites. Often, they are part-time classified employees.

Another one was a permanent substitute teacher. Same thing. The regular teacher was listed.

Lanza wasn't a teacher, period.

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:27 PM

36. Very strange. They've obviously interviewed the ex-husband

and son by now, other family members. Why do none of them seem to know what this woman did with herself, beyond buy guns and hire a landscaper?

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Response to Smarmie Doofus (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:26 PM

41. These idiots (networks) are all tripping over each other to get the scoop

and in the process end up embarrassing themselves (actually no, they are beyond shame)

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