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Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:53 AM

Factors common to most mass murderers:

Noted criminolgist James Fox identifies four common factors of most mass murderers: FRUSTRATION, ISOLATION, LOSS, and FAMILIARITY WITH FIREARMS.

FRUSTRATION: The perpetrators have tended to have experience some pattern of FRUSTRATION. Maybe things have not been going well financially, or with a job or school, or with relationships, or with self esteem or self worth, etc.

ISOLATION: Often they tend to be loner types, or social "outcasts", with few or no friends and minimal family connections or support. They have weak interpersonal support systems in their lives.

LOSS: Often they tend to have experienced some kind of loss. Maybe fired from a job, or loss of a wife or girlfriend, or loss of a school opportunity, etc.

FIREARMS: They have access to and familiarity with firearms. Maybe they were in the service, or from a family that often used guns, etc.

Now, many mass murderers who show all these factors are NOT insane and target their anger specifically. Maybe at the boss who fired them plus others who work where they were fired. Maybe at the school which they feel has done them wrong. However, there are also those more RANDOM attacks in theaters, malls, and maybe schools too where the person is just angry at the world and wants revenge. Nonetheless, these are generally "revenge" type crimes. Again, either angry at their boss and workplace, or angry at their school, or angry at the world feeling wronged by the world so they want to take revenge. And they are so emotionally burned up, they are often willing to take their own lives in the end. It is a very desperate act born out of deep emotional feelings of anger and frustration built up over time.

Think about Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, and now Newtown. Most of this fits. In Columbine, it was angry kids who were reportedly bullied and took revenge on the school. In Virginia Tech it was a somewhat unhinged very loner outcast type angry at the world and maybe angry at the college in general. In Aurora the guy was an isolated detached loner who could not meet women, was failing out of school, and obviously angry at the world. And now in Newtown we have very much a loner type, awkward, different, minimal social attachments, maybe going nowhere in life, and obviously very angry at his family and maybe his community. It is about acting on feelings of being wronged in life and wanting to take REVENGE and even being so emotionally burned out that they are willing to kill themselves in the end after they have taken that revenge on their way out. This is what these crimes are about.

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RBInMaine Dec 2012 OP
Recursion Dec 2012 #1
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #4
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #6
hollysmom Dec 2012 #2
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #7
Corgigal Dec 2012 #3
datasuspect Dec 2012 #5
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #8
marmar Dec 2012 #9
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #13
datasuspect Dec 2012 #10
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #14
baldguy Dec 2012 #11
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #12
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #15
RBInMaine Dec 2012 #16
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #17
baldguy Dec 2012 #18

Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:56 AM

1. Harris and Klebold were not outcasts

http://articles.cnn.com/2009-04-20/justice/columbine.myths_1_trench-coat-mafia-columbine-high-school-school-shooting?_s=PM:CRIME

They were both popular, neither were outcasts, neither were involved in any trench-coat-wearing band of outcasts. Harris even had a 20-year-old girlfriend. Harris was a psychopath and Klebold was depressed and easy for him to manipulate. But Columbine was not a revenge fantasy acted out by two kids who had been picked on by jocks.

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Response to Recursion (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:07 AM

4. From what I read about Columbine bullying was reported. Never said they were "trenchcoaters". These

crimes are almost ALWAYS about taking REVENGE out of feelings of being wronged in some way, and they are feelings that build up over time. Just to say that one guy was a psychopath and the other was easily led astray I think is a weak argument for doing something that drastic. It is very hard to "lead" someone to just do something like that and then kill themselves. Psychopaths may want to hurt others, but don't want to die themselves. OJ is your psychopath type. These are people who are deeply and profoundly angry and emotionally over the edge who want to take revenge out of feelings of being wronged, and so desperate to do it and so angry and emotionally burned up inside they are willing in many cases to take their own lives as well. It is different than simply being a "psychopath".

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:12 AM

6. there's a book about that:

 

Now comes a book about the history of 'rage killing' in America that takes its title not from the school massacres that inspired it, but from an expression every American knows. 'Going postal' entered the language after a spate of shootings in the US Postal Service facilities that began in 1986 with a murderous spree by Patrick Sherrill in Edmond, Oklahoma. Ames explains how the shootings coincided with 'semi-privatisation' under Ronald Reagan that turned working for the USPS into a corporate experience like many others in postmodern, post-industrial America. But Ames goes further.

There followed many more workplace massacres, the histories of which he traces meticulously, and which he posits as acts of enraged rebellion against a new system of stress, layoffs and impossible expectations which are 'making the world a crueller place' in the new American factory - the office - and at places of supposed study. It is an apolitical insurgency by people who are, he insists, 'sane'.

In the education system, the stress endured by pupils' parents 'doesn't so much trickle down, it rains down from parent to child, like acid rain'. Ames draws a direct line between slave rebellions and rage killing, arguing that 'the modern American work culture derives from the same sources that defined slavery's official work culture'.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2007/jan/21/society


this review doesn't mention the bullying angle, but the book goes into it extensively.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:59 AM

2. you forgot male

according to Mother Jones - 60 of the 61 mass murderers were male.

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Response to hollysmom (Reply #2)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:16 AM

7. This is true as well. Good point. Female mass murderers are rare, and tend to use other means.

If females kill, it is often very targeted and born out of other motives. They will use less violent means or maybe they will hire someone to do it. There have been a few cases of females doing some mass poisonings which is more common to them. It is less "messy." Less violent. Crime in general is much more a male phenomenon, especially violent crime. Often women act on their loss, isolation, frustration, through self-destruction and not "mass-destruction." For them it is more often substance abuse, other risky behavior, maybe suicide, etc.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:11 AM

5. plus they are usually white males.

 

not always, but usually.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #5)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:17 AM

8. they're usually males, but the 'white' part is open to analysis. quite a few have been non-white,

 

and since 78% of the population is white, it's unlikely that whites are disproportionately represented among mass murderers of this type.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:20 AM

9. Non-Hispanic whites are NOT 78 percent of the population

United States of America 194,552,774 69.1% (2000) 196,817,552 63.7% (2010) +1.2%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Hispanic_Whites



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Response to marmar (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:38 AM

13. i didn't say 'non-hispanic white'. but you're right, it's 63.4 pure 'white. & for the record, at

 

least 30% of the mass murderers on the mother jones list are non-white or non-male. there may be more, i didn't look up pictures for everyone.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:20 AM

10. you did notice my disclaimer?

 

USUALLY, not ALWAYS.

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Response to datasuspect (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:39 AM

14. i did. but at least 30% are not. my point is that while they are disproportionately male, they

 

may not be disproportionately white in terms of the general population.

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Response to RBInMaine (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:26 AM

11. And all of these are internal psychological factors - with the exception of access to firearms.

When firearms are removed from the equation, mass murders will be practically eliminated.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:29 AM

12. There is indeed an argument for that. And that is obviously the tough piece.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:43 AM

15. i doubt it.

 

A series of uncoordinated mass stabbings, hammer attacks, and cleaver attacks in the People's Republic of China began in March 2010. The spate of attacks left at least 21 dead and some 90 injured. Analysts have blamed mental health problems caused by rapid social change for the rise in these kind of mass murder and murder-suicide incidents.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_attacks_in_China_%282010%E2%80%932011%29

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:47 AM

16. Well of course there are external factors, but the internal factors as a result motivate it.

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Response to RBInMaine (Reply #16)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:52 AM

17. there's no real separation of inside and outside i think. my point was, i doubt banning guns will

 

eliminate mass murder. mass murder has been increasing even as murder rates and household gun ownership decreased.

i'd look to other causes than an increased availability of guns.

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:58 AM

18. Thank you for providing the standard RW NRA spin, but nobody is buying it anymore.

If those attackers had access to guns, at the very least those numbers would be reversed - 90 dead and 20 injured. Knives and hammers are not the equivalent of firearms, and never have been.

It's interesting the one incident you left out (deliberately?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chenpeng_Village_Primary_School_stabbing

"On 14 December 2012 between 7 and 8 a.m. local time, a 36-year-old villager identified as Min Yingjun stabbed 23 people, including 22 children and an elderly woman, in a knife attack at Chenpeng Village Primary School. The school is situated in Wenshu Township of Guangshan County, which is administrated by the city of Xinyang, 800 km south of Beijing, in the Chinese province of Henan. The children targeted by the knifeman are thought likely to be between six and eleven years of age and the attack occurred as the children were arriving for classes."


One real difference between this and Sandy Hook is that a knife was used instead of a gun. Another is that nobody was killed.

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