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Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:31 PM

"If there are bigger pussies in the world than gun nuts, I donít know who the fuck they are."

True Stories in Gun Control
By John Cole December 15th, 2012

After Operation Desert Shield and Storm, I was stationed at Camp Blackhorse in Doha Kuwait with the 11th ACR. We were an Armored Cavalry Regiment (ACR), which basically means we were a self contained unit. For each squdron, we had 3 Cav troops- Alpha, Bravo, and Charlie, which had two platoons of cav scouts in Bradley Fighting Vehicles, and two platoons of M1A1 tanks, and a mortar section for each troop. We also had Delta Company, which was nothing but armor (tanks), then a howitzer battery, our own medics, etc. Basically, a Regiment has three Squadrons with the makeup I described, and an Air Cav squadron with attack helicopters.

Basically, our mission for decades had been in the Fulda Gap in Germany to act as speed bumps when the Commies rolled through the valley. Our job was just to slow them the fuck down before the Armor deeper in country could mobilize and counterpunch. We were the guys who spent decades running border control between the West and East Germany. We were there when the wall fell, and we were there for reunification day in Germany.

Back to the story. When we were in Camp Doha in Kuwait, we would have rotations. Alpha troop (my unit), would go run border missions in Iraq while Bravo troop would do maintenance on their vehicles (the sand just killed tanks and wore down our equipment), while Charlie troop be in what we called Z-phase, which was running the security for our base. We had towers and gates and 12 foot walls, and armed troopers at every gate with mirrors to look underneath cars and plenty of folks to investigate people coming in as civilians to run base operations (cook, give haircuts, etc.).

So why am I telling you this? Because in the middle of one of the most dangerous regions in the world, even with clear Rules of Engagement, every time I went on gate duty, there was a piece of tape over my ammo clip on my M-16 and M1911 .45. Why? Because the most heavily armed military in the world did not want accidental shootings. If a situation arose, I would have to eject my ammo clip, remove the tape, and reinsert and work the action before I could fire.

This was in a combat zone. Yet I have spent the last two fucking days dealing with armchair commandos telling me they need unlimited firepower to be safe inÖ Connecticut.

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http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/12/15/true-stories-in-gun-control/

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:32 PM

1. best headline of the day....r

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:33 PM

2. Yup. Cowards or idiots with hero complexes.

Mostly cowards though.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:35 PM

3. ABSOLUTELY!!!

 

Too scared to walk in public without their Precious. Delicate Flowers.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:36 PM

4. Awesome.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:37 PM

5. Perfect. Bravo.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:39 PM

6. I voted to "leave it", FWIW.

We'll see about the rest.

There's not many good reasons to refer to someone as a "pussy". I make an exception for gun nuts.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:42 PM

8. sure. cause those men that use guns to feel like a man need to be called the p word to denigrate

them to womens status.

interesting to see who is applauding not the article, but just standing up and yelling out a word to effeminate men.

rah, du.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:59 PM

10. Yep. Specifically because it would bother them so much.

Specifically because, in most cases, their manhood is so fragile and they think that weapons will somehow reinforce it.

Sorry, but that's my opinion. That's why they have 6 jurors.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:15 AM

20. I didn't even notice it, sorry.

I was so wrapped up in the sentiment being expressed that I failed to recognize that word was even in there.

Guilty as charged.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:14 AM

71. So call them dicks if you want.

They hate the word 'pussy' even more than you do, so that's what they get.

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Response to Richardo (Reply #71)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:18 AM

73. lets all jump on the bandwagon of sexism? that would be stupid. no thanks. i will leave

it to the few. they can be the hypocrites.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:56 PM

126. I think the "c" word is more applicable to the gun nuts...COWARD.


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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #126)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:20 PM

142. Exactly. More accurate and precise, for sure. nt

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Response to madinmaryland (Reply #126)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:20 PM

146. exactly. it just is not that hard. the poster worked at being offensive. thank you. much more

accurate.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:58 PM

139. You and I dont always see eye to eye but I agree with you on this. If the intent was to

attack the gun problem the OP could easily done it without using a word knowing it offends.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #139)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:21 PM

147. it isnt even part of the title. purely to offend and get cheers. women and children died

i cannot get beyond the offensiveness as using a sexist slur to put these men in their place.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:48 PM

9. It sounds like someone alerted because the word sounded anti-female

In this context, I take the word "pussy" to mean "like a pussycat" (a meek, wimpish person), and nothing to do with females or female anatomy.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:19 AM

35. Seriously?

That's actually kind of cute.

I'm a women and well aware that there are multiple idioms and slang for female reproductive organs used as an insult meaning 'weak' or 'unmanly' (among other meanings) it's use is not only sexist, it's Heterosexist-----much, much wrongness.

It's cool you missed out on all that 'cause its ultra-vile shit.




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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #35)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:09 PM

152. And then the word


dick isn't? Or do you take this as given?

Either way, it's not like calling a guy a dick isn't an insult. Now, it has different connotations that might be considered anti-male in a sexist way.

Personally, I don't think sexism completely explains the usage, but I'm already far off topic here.

We could just go sex neutral and call both categories assholes. But that would be debasing the language.

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Response to Wednesdays (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:00 PM

102. That's how it's always used, but the poutragers think the world revolves around them. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #102)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:23 PM

108. That is absolutely NOT how it's always used.

Ever heard guys talking before? Ever heard the expression "throw like a girl"? There are a lot of other words/expressions guys use that refer to the female gender as an insult, equating being like a woman as a bad thing that makes them "less than". It's done in order to insult each other and that's why they are using the term "pussy". Whether one consciously thinks of it or not, that's where it comes from and there are many other of this type of "insult" which should not be considered an insult in a society where men and women are viewed as equal.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:51 AM

32. There is never a good reason to use women as an insult. n/t

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:36 AM

57. You are correct and I will repeat: There is never a good reason to use women as an insult.

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Response to Barack_America (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:58 AM

68. "Pussy" is also slang for weak man

so it's an appropriate word as used here, having nothing to do with women.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pussy

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Response to mainer (Reply #68)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:17 AM

72. Why is it slang for "weak man?" Because it suggests that they are effeminate.

That has a lot to do with women.

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Response to msanthrope (Reply #72)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:36 AM

79. Whatever the derivation, it now means something else having nothing to do with women

Words change over time. We can't ban any and all words just because of what they once meant in other contexts.

I'm a female. And I use words for a living.

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Response to mainer (Reply #79)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:56 AM

84. That is nonsense.

Pussy was not used to insult men by calling them effeminate, and then changed to mean weak men. It was (and still is) calling them weak men by using a vile term for women as a metaphor for men.

By your reasoning, it would be perfectly fine to use f****t as an insult because, although it started as an insult to gay men it is now used against straight men to suggest they are effeminate.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #84)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:03 AM

85. So I can't use the word "boob" then, can I?

Or "hysterical", because that once referred to women?

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Response to mainer (Reply #85)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:43 PM

113. Do NOT try to reason with the HoF people.

It is useless. Then they'll do their best to make sure you get PPR'd.

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Response to mainer (Reply #85)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:00 PM

140. That is a little disingenuous.

Neither of those words has ever (to my knowledge) - and certainly not in the at least a generation - been used to insult by metaphorically turning them into women - the way pussy is currently still being used.

But, as for hysterical, if you use that term to characterize women's behavior as an insult when similar behavior by men is not characterized that way, that is sexist - but because of its derivation, specifically, but because that characterization and hysterical are derived from the same underlying belief that women are too emotional to be trusted with major obligations because they are governed by their reproductive cycle (specifically their uterus).

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Response to mainer (Reply #85)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:12 PM

170. You may of course, use any denigrating word you wish

"So I can't use the word "boob" then, can I?"

You may of course, use any denigrating word you wish regardless of its offensiveness or your own vulgarity. However, your use of that word may result in a post getting hidden.




Easy peezy, Chuck E Cheesy...

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Response to mainer (Reply #68)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:01 PM

150. But why would you use it if it offends women? nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #150)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:50 PM

168. Because the word, in this context, is powerful and appropriate for the intended audience

because it is aimed specifically at men, many with military experience who probably used it in the field. Every soldier has a gut reaction to this word. They know there is nothing worse than being called a pussy. You could substitute "wussie" I suppose, but it does not have the same visceral punch that being called a "pussy" does.

This speaks to the language of men, not women. And this piece was written by a man, to be directed at men.

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Response to mainer (Reply #168)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:59 PM

169. I guess the rationale is that if anyone is offended other than those intended, it's just collateral

damage. To me "pussy" used in this context refers to a man that is as weak as a female. I find that objectionable. The rationale that you dont have a better word is lame.

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Response to mainer (Reply #68)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:54 PM

172. It has everything to do with women!

It's an insult to call a man a woman because be taken for a woman is the biggest insult of all.


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Response to Barack_America (Reply #6)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:27 PM

109. Justified

Gun nuts, terrified of their own shadows, make the world more dangerous for all of us. Fuck 'em.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:42 PM

7. Cole knows whereof he speaks, he is a former wingnut

Seriously, I've been reading his blog since before his change from wingnut to dirty fucking hippie, he's always been a good writer particularly when he rants.

Cole flipped around the time of the Terri Shiavo brouhaha, couldn't deal the cognitive dissonance any more evidently.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:00 AM

11. Huh. Guess the Marines are different.

 

We never needed to tape over our magazines. We had this fail-safe we called "Discipline and education on the fucking weapon system".

Worked well for us. No "Accidental shootings". The term really doesn't make any sense, anyway. Negligent is the word he is looking for.

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Response to Marinedem (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:14 AM

18. When I was stationed in Norfolk

 

a stupid drunk sailor walked up behind the Marine gate guards and snatched the rifle from one of the marines, as a joke I guess. The other Marine immediately shot the sailor in the head. The Marine didn't have to eject his mag and remove tape. The Marine instructor who taught us also told us to leave the safety off, just keep your finger off the trigger. I still go by those rules.

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Response to frank380 (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:28 AM

52. How fortunate for the guy that got shot in the head that the Marine had no sense of humor

Granted it was a risky joke to begin with but when you're proud of shoot first, you have serious fucking mental problems.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #52)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:10 AM

56. Really? The guard was supposed to read his mind and know he didn't intend....

 

to shoot up the guard post?

The mental problem here is yours. Or maybe it's just ignorance.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #56)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:21 PM

143. The need to murder to make your point proves that YOU are mentally ill for defending that

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA someone was shot to death for a dumb attempt at a joke instead of warned....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I just keep my finger on the trigger ready to murder people.

WHAT A FUNNY FUCKING STORY!

Seriously, get HELP.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #143)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:06 PM

151. No...

Someone was shot to death because he jumped a Marine and tried to take his weapon.

It was a tragic situation, but the Marine responded appropriately.

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Response to Jeff In Milwaukee (Reply #151)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:08 PM

157. No he did NOT respond appropriately.

Draw your weapon and command the other guy to drop the weapon. That is your FIRST response. Not shoot to kill.

What the fuck is wrong with people in this thread?

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #157)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:41 PM

166. Reread the post....

The individual snatched an assault rifle away from a Marine guard on duty at a military base. In a situation like that, you consider yourself under attack by an armed assailant. You don't wait for him to shoot at you or your fellow Marine, you shoot to kill.

No questions asked.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #143)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:16 PM

153. No one was acting like it was a funny story or something of which to be proud.

You are the only one implying or claiming others implied that.

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Response to whopis01 (Reply #153)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:10 PM

159. It sure read as if he were bragging about following the shoot first philosophy.

And guess what, that is NOT okay. Murder is not okay. Common sense says you draw your weapon but command the other man to drop his weapon. Only if that does not succeed do you fire. FIRING YOUR WEAPON IS A LAST RESORT.

Barbaric bullshit in this thread.

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Response to MessiahRp (Reply #159)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:17 AM

161. I really don't see how you read that in the post at all.

And there really is no need to tell me that "Murder is not okay". I never said anything to that effect at all. It is really the equivalent of saying "fire is hot". I think you are reading a lot more into what people are writing than what they actually intend.

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Response to frank380 (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:13 PM

96. I hope you have a double-action

A person who walks around with the hammer back and safety off worries me greatly.

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Response to frank380 (Reply #18)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:31 PM

154. That poor guard

The sailor got what he deserved for being an idiot. The guard has to live with it.

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Response to Marinedem (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:18 AM

22. See #21. And Thanks! n/t

 

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Response to Marinedem (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:25 AM

26. We had one AD

an M249 had a worn sear and popped a round when the cover was closed. No one injured as we remember to point in a safe direction when loading and unloading. Immediately pulled that gun to the armory for repair

Semper Fi

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Response to Marinedem (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:27 AM

28. They are. But remember that he's talking about the Army. n/t

 


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:02 AM

12. Attn DU admins. I understand, but...

WTF is wrong. I click to read this post and the very first damn thing I see is a fucking advertisement on how to get a concealed carry permit!

Now I understand that DU needs advertising revenue to survive and I can usually just ignore the usual right-wing crap that gets advertised here from time to time, but honest to God, to try and read a post regarding a gun control and get greeted by an advertisement for how to carry a concealed weapon - into a church, a bar, or a school - just has me to the point of throwing my laptop across the room!

Link was USConcealedCarry*net. (Change the * to a . if you really must follow the link.)

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #12)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:54 PM

137. The admins do not CHOOSE the ads. They appear randomly, with some help from the subject discussed.

If you talk about steaks and chops, you'll get an ad for Omaha Steaks. If you talk about guns, you'll get ads for guns.

Stop making this about "the admins." They have to make a living, they have families to support--this isn't a charity. Send them money and you won't have to see the ads for a year. Problem solved.

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Response to Stonepounder (Reply #12)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 01:28 AM

162. if you like it enough here to stick around, pony up some bucks

PRESTO!!! Ad problem SOVED.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:04 AM

13. I know...the feeling.

Been in enough shoot outs to fill nightmares. A couple really, as in an inch the other side we'd not be talking. But here we have people going on how they'd take down the assailant cause they got guns.

It's tragic, not funny.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #89)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:40 PM

94. Is the snark necessary? What difference does it make to you? nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #94)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:31 PM

98. Yeah, I don't like liars. n/t

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Response to zappaman (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:49 PM

99. I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #99)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:50 PM

100. Thank you!

Have a nice day, my friend!

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #99)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:25 PM

116. You are guaranteed a few things in life

one is that after a nadin post, you will see zappaman posting in reply...which is funny and sad both at the same time. It is not a matter of concern, but pure stalking.

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Response to Rex (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:31 PM

118. See post #98. n/t

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Response to Rex (Reply #116)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:48 PM

122. He is a horse's posterior

and a stakler.


Sad little man


PS

I'm sure he'll start on me, they don't like rejection.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #122)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:52 PM

124. Stop it!

You are bullying me and I don't like it!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:36 PM

111. Not a liar, apologize.

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #111)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:30 PM

117. uh huh...right

your growling smilie did make me laugh though!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #117)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:46 PM

120. Goodbye

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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #120)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:46 PM

121. ...

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Response to zappaman (Reply #98)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:08 PM

133. It is difficult to watch her

make yet another tragedy about her and her paperback-worthy adventures. (This is hardly the first thread on the shooting she has turned into a barroom story-telling session.) Not a natural or man-made disaster can pass by without it. You're not the only one it vexes.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:05 AM

14. Right On!

I have been thinking about this the last couple of days, and I am so glad to see this come directly from someone with a military background.

I don't remember my father, a veteran of World War II, a man who had certainly seen the amount of damage a loaded gun could do, being in favor of allowing millions of United States citizens to be armed with assault rifles. I would think that he, and others of his experience, would be horrified to think that several homes on their suburban streets would contain weapons of this type.

Why wouldn't the Teapublicans want to "take our country back" to a time when the average citizen was not allowed/encouraged to own and publicly carry weapons that could inflict so much damage in the wrong hands?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:08 AM

15. I wish it didn't have the misogynistic language in the headline.

"If there are bigger (weaklings) in the world than gun nuts, I donít know who the fuck they are."

"If there are bigger (cowards) in the world than gun nuts, I donít know who the fuck they are."

"If there are bigger (wimps) in the world than gun nuts, I donít know who the fuck they are."

Those would be ok with me. And I'd have to agree with them.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:22 AM

24. Word police! Word police! Diversion from important issue. Diversion from important issue.



BTW, I am courage-challenged and I take offense to your use of the w word.

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Response to valerief (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:04 AM

33. Why would I want to divert from the issue?

I'm ECSTATIC to see the rational majority asserting itself over the murder-culture on DU. I am disgusted on a daily basis by the slime who post pro-gun propaganda here, and the lack of core that leads DU's administrators to look the other way while NRA cheerleaders shout down rational discussion.

But if someone on the right wing said "Obama's a pussy," I'd give them a dressing-down for using language that demeans women. We should hold ourselves to a shining standard -- be the change we want to see.

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Response to valerief (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:25 AM

37. Big guns equal little dicks ok with you?

Pussies aren't weak. Small dicked or dick obsessed men compensating with oversized macho gun bullshit AND the women who support them are.


Reframe the language

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Response to valerief (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:53 PM

130. The OP author caused the diversion by using the word. He could have made his point w/o that

word.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:44 AM

41. Do you need a fainting couch?

I am a vet, I think the use of the language is perfect given the context. Obviously the hand wring crowd would as usual divert from the real issues and contemplate the nearby daisies while dragging the rest of us off with them.

More important is the fact 20 kids are dead and you have twits burbling about how "terrible" the use of pussies is. Smacks of more narcissism from the hand wringing crowd.

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:43 AM

83. +1 gazillion!

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Response to valerief (Reply #83)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:15 AM

86. At least... And then some!

 

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Response to Katashi_itto (Reply #41)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:14 PM

106. The two aren't mutually exclusive. People can deal with two issues at once, especially

when one shouldn't need to be raised at all. Not being derogatory towards women doesn't require one to not think about anything else. It's pretty easy to think of more than one thing at a time. And in this day and age, on a Dem leaning - albeit far from progressive - board, one should not really have to deal with this type of sexism.

And when it is pointed out, it would be nice if it were taken as an informative comment if it was not understood how that demeans women rather than defended.

Narcissism? Really??? I think not.

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Response to ThatPoetGuy (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:06 PM

132. Pussycats

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:09 AM

16. For a second . . .

I thought this thread title would turn out to be a quote by Samuel L. Jackson!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:09 AM

17. Westboro Baptist Church members

are more despicable. I have nothing against pussies. I think you are looking for torn colostomy bags. (Non-torn colostomy bags are at least useful.)

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:14 AM

19. They don't do that at our base.

 

Not sure what base this guy is stationed at, but weapons here are required to be carried outside of living quarters and magazines are to be loaded and unchambered (Amber weapon status, aka "condition 3"). Only exception is when working out in PT gear. I can only imagine what condition the "allied" Afghan security/army forces carry their weapons.

Guy in the OP must be stationed at some cupcake base.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #19)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:52 AM

54. LOL at "cupcake base"

What would be considered a cupcake base?
The term has made me chuckle, but genuinely curious!

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Response to Justitia (Reply #54)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:10 PM

145. Some bases get hit all the time (several times/wk) some don't

 

Some bases get hit several times a week with anything from actual rockets/mortars to small arms fire & insurgent rushes. Heck, I can think of a select few where it's not uncommon to be on the receiving end of incoming multiple times in one day. Generally your tough FOBs are along the east near the Pak border. A number of areas in the southern provinces are rough too.

And other bases simply don't get much trouble. They might get a few indirect mortar fire or something else random maybe once a month or something. Generally, that is a cupcake base. Although to truly be a cupcake base, you need to have decent amenities onhand too. Some FOBs aren't too active with insurgency, but you have guys showering with bottled water, living in small tents, and eating MREs... in that instance, while it's not good living/eating - it's nice that you don't get all jumpy/nervous all the time.

When I read that he puts tape on his magazine, the below pic immediately came to mind...
I mean, really... purposefully introducing foreign debris into the action of your weapon?!? My head almost exploded.

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Response to OneTenthofOnePercent (Reply #145)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:52 AM

163. Thank you. My nephew has spent most of the last decade deployed in the Middle East

I want to ask him about all the different bases he's been stationed at.

He's responsible for base security, so it should be interesting.

Thanks again for responding.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:17 AM

21. All of this says a lot about failures in military training....

 

and failures of the "zero-risk" leadership philosophy amongst certain brass.

But nothing at all about civilian gun ownership and use.

22+ years USAF here.

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Response to PavePusher (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:39 AM

53. Truth.

 

We had live rounds chambered to gaurd an ammo dump stateside. Ill ask some of my 'Blackhorse' brethren if they had an experience similar to the author cited in the OP.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:20 AM

23. Kpete, are you so desperate for rec's that you have to use "pussy" to get it? n/t

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Response to cynatnite (Reply #23)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:24 AM

36. That was the final summation sentence in the original OP.

The terminology would probably be most effective with the audience it was aimed at.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:22 AM

25. kpete

Hear, hear. I know of what you speak. The members of that group do not need unlimited firepower. I'm for a throw back to the old lever or bolt action hunters use. To me there is no need for the general population to have even semi-automatics.

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Response to leanforward (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:32 PM

93. yep

+10000

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:26 AM

27. You need to get TV coverage!!!

Like the did with Seal Team 6.

A bunch of yous!!!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:32 AM

29. Fascinating! Thank you, John Cole, for your worthy expertise. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:36 AM

30. Actually I've wondered about this myself

What makes them so fearful they feel the need to carry weapons or keep an arsenal in their house? I understand it depends where you live. If I ever get together enough money to buy a house near Superior National Forest, I'd get a rifle to scare the bears and wolves away. But I live in the city, where I know a gun would far more likely be used against me. Besides, I'm just not afraid of my surroundings, even when I'm in the worst neighborhoods. The drug dealers say good morning ma'am. I'm never bothered. There is no way having a gun would make me more secure.
So what's with these guys who are afraid of everything?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:49 AM

31. For 67 years

 

I have been brave enough to face the world without a gun in my hands.
I feel sorry for the cowards who are not brave enough to manage that simple feat.

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Response to Speck Tater (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:29 AM

87. +100

 

68+ years here. I'm in Kansas city now and hearing gun shots from a few blocks over still doesn't want me to arm myself.
While living in Fargo ND, I lived in a subsidized apartment complex. There were people of every color and funny dress. Many could not or barely speak English. Only one knifing in the parking lot, in all that time, and they didn't live there. My daughters and myself felt safe there, even at night.
Why the paranoia and paranoid delusion of some that think they need to be armed to venture out in public? I have never understood that.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:14 AM

34. I take offence at "pussy"

Why is the slur "pussy" which means vagina an insult? Why do men think that a vagina is something awful, degrading, cowardly, and weak? Just because upper body muscles in women is usually less than in men doesn't mean that women are weak and cowardly when it comes to courage, fortitude, resolve, persistance, and integrity.

Do you think that Elizabeth Warren and Nancy Pelosi are pussies? Please retire the term "pussy" to the trash can where the term "nigger" got thrown. If you do, I'll stop calling you a "dick."

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Response to vlyons (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:52 AM

44. That's not really how language works.



Pussy does not mean vagina in this context. Language evolves. Unfortunately, many so-called liberals don't, and so strike an authoritarian tone in scolding other people over words.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:52 AM

55. what's with the gratuitous use of the n-word?

Goes to show that not all bigots are right wingers.
As for the original post, I fully agree with the soldier's sentiment and thank him for his service .

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Response to Dustin DeWinde (Reply #55)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:07 PM

104. I think you missed the point of the post you were responding to.

There was no bigotry in it at all, I don't see how you got that.




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Response to vlyons (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 AM

63. Yes: "Please retire the term 'pussy' to the trash can where the term 'nigger' was thrown".

as vlyons has said.


This is not the time to "niggerize" anyone, let alone half the world.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:40 AM

81. Not necessarily offensive.

Like a lot of words in English, this one can have different meanings, histories, connotations.

Take a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy

In the context that this word is being used in the OP, it is certainly evocative ... which is the point.
But it is only 'offensive' if you are looking to be offended.

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Response to vlyons (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:42 AM

88. Uh-oh! Careful! You're going to incur the wrath of the internet *wannabe macho* slur defender boys

their submissive, swooning little molls.

Don't ever question the god given right of the DU Language Klan to be ignorant, insensitive, and obtuse when it comes to using sexist or homophobic language that most women or lgbt folks find insulting and demeaning.

It's like some macho, Michael Savage kind of RW thing, and they totally enjoy offending you with slurs, it makes them feel powerful, (so pathetic) like a warm gun in their hands, especially when you bring up the fact that you are insulted by their misogynistic language, because they find it so gratifying to be able to insult women or lgbts behind the internet mask that affords them the opportunity to express their misogyny anonymously, because they would never do it otherwise around women or lgbts, because they'd get found out as misogynists and homophobes.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #88)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:51 AM

90. totally enjoy offending you with slurs, makes them feel powerful, ... like a warm gun in their hands

your post has it right on. yes.... no more than what they yell about the macho'ism of owning a gun, is the use of these slurs to offend, then jump up and down gigglin and clapping their hands that they offend.

YOUR post is right on.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:33 AM

38. K & R !!!

Damn straight !!!

And I do not care if it's Un-PC.


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:43 AM

39. Best headline of the century!

shout it out.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:44 AM

40. It's generalizing like a mofo, but I have to agree...

Late last year I was in the 7-11 getting some coffee. Up to the point when the guy came in to rob the place it was just the clerk, me and another guy there.

I'm wearing an old platoon t-shirt. By the rationale of the man in the drink prep area with me, that qualified me to act on behalf of our impromptu community of two. All the blood rushes from his face, he pulls his concealed carry out, pushes it toward me and mouths "DO SOMETHING"

That fellow confirmed all the things I've thought of the second amendment nutters pretty much my whole life.

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Response to usmc03 (Reply #40)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:53 AM

45. lol, seriously?



now that is funny stuff. What did you do?

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Response to Schema Thing (Reply #45)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:08 AM

50. I didn't take the gun

but I did stop the robbery, got free coffee and a pack of Marlboros. I figure I've done much worse for much less.

I'm clueless as to why the kid picked a 7-11 to hold up. If the clerk is doing the drops, the most you're gonna get is fifty dollars.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:48 AM

42. yeah...

sexist language will make things all better.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:50 AM

43. I've said it before, and I'll say it again:

One of the many, many problems with gun-crazies is that they think small.

When you've fired one of these:



as I have, nothing else satisfies.

I don't own any guns. Don't need 'em. Strong enough to go without, thank you very much.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:54 AM

46. I'm female, middle-aged and have lived alone / worked night shift in metroplexes for decades

never felt the need to arm myself - and I was trained to shoot by my sniper uncle and during military service myself. I think gun nuts are the biggest cowards on earth.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:57 AM

47. Too true, I plan on asking all gun huggers what they're skeered of

from now on. I keep seeing people on Facebook swear that they have to have their guns - ALL OF THEM!! I've seen many people say that it is their right to have the guns to protect themselves but from now on I will ask them to tell me exactly what they are scared of and I will educate them of the origins of their fear.

For all their bluster and puffed up chests, they are the biggest scaredy cats of any group I've ever known.

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Response to SaveAmerica (Reply #47)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:09 AM

70. Perhaps they're scared of

6 and 7 year old children. Quite a dangerous group, I've learned.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:01 AM

48. Good grief about the title.

Here's a big bag of razors, because it sounds like a hairy mess.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:50 PM

167. pun intended i assume?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:06 AM

49. Fear-driven defense mechanism.

The insecurity of the inner truth that you are inadequate to reside in the United States of America today. Choices: 1) Face your fear. 2) Buy a bunch of metal dildoes.

Hint: Option 2 is for cowards.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:17 AM

51. Has the NRA Made a Statement Yet?

 

or are they just too fucking afraid to speak until they get their talking points together for Sunday's meatpuppet talking head shows? As for the gun nuts I've encountered thus far in my life, most have ended up committing suicide...one way or another. And that is as it should be in my "book."
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Response to triplepoint (Reply #51)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:56 AM

66. They haven't had time to organize the Newton gun show yet.

Isn't that how they normally respond to atrocities like this?

Come to think of it, they should share travel costs with Westboro Baptist.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:38 AM

58. Powerful

"So why am I telling you this? Because in the middle of one of the most dangerous regions in the world, even with clear Rules of Engagement, every time I went on gate duty, there was a piece of tape over my ammo clip on my M-16 and M1911 .45. Why? Because the most heavily armed military in the world did not want accidental shootings. If a situation arose, I would have to eject my ammo clip, remove the tape, and reinsert and work the action before I could fire.

This was in a combat zone. Yet I have spent the last two fucking days dealing with armchair commandos telling me they need unlimited firepower to be safe inÖ Connecticut. "

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:45 AM

59. To answer the question asked in your title, yes, there are bigger pussies than gun nuts

The 'pilots' of armed drones. The biggest pussies the world has ever known.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:47 AM

60. These shooters always have more firepower than what I carried in Iraq

to the point where if we lost a few rounds during cleaning, or sometimes the round would push into the casing during our clearing procedures - whatever. We would turn in say 7 rounds. And the supply NCO would come by and plink out 7 rounds. Not 10. Not a single extra round was authorized above 210. Let me tell you how fast you can burn through 210 rounds when you need to. Like in a minute, including magazine changes.

More to the point, when I meet people like this they are comical to me. Even when DUers post "militarized police" they look like kids playing dress up. Also remember that "the military" are not drones. If I was called out and ordered to use force on citizens I would absolutely decide for myself if this was a lawful order, and for the greater good of this country and our people. I have already decided in 2003 in Iraq that I would rather be tried and sent to prison for insubordination or something else than murder. So any notion that a politician can snap their fingers and make us nazi storm troopers is ludicrous. But some kind of genuine illegal armed uprising. Well, its been said many times before, "expect to be efficiently fragged tagged and bagged" by even a modestly armed platoon of infantry.

The greatest protection this country has in modern times is not an armed populace, it is a volunteer citizen military that guards you while you sleep.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:48 AM

61. "Chickenshits" would probably have been a less loaded word........

but I agree with the thrust of the essay. If you think you need a gun to defend yourself in Connecticut (or Tennessee for that matter), then you're either doing something you shouldn't be or you're a chickenshit and scared of your own shadow.

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #61)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:24 PM

92. Hi socialist n Tn!!

I am in Tennessee also and just wanted to say Hi!

Nice to meet you

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Response to Sissyk (Reply #92)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:52 PM

101. And you sis.......

I'm in the Nashville area. You? BTW, you're not scared to know a socialist in Tennessee are you?

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Response to socialist_n_TN (Reply #61)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:42 PM

136. "Chickenshits" would definitely be less loaded. Being gender-neutral

it bears that "special" benefit of not insulting half the human race,

which does, of course, include half of us on this board.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:50 AM

62. Misogynism for the win!

 

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:52 AM

64. absolutely agree.

anyone who doesn't come out and say: 'to save the kids, i'll be inconvenienced when i'm buying my next gun (probably the 30th), it's okay - let's do whatever it takes to save the kids'. i don't respect the drivel that focuses on irrelevant details as if that is the point of the gun discussion.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:53 AM

65. Gun nuts are scared little boys

That's always been my impression. They need a steel manhood "extender" to make up for what they lack.

A gun is simply a tool for use in hunting or on the farm. To glorify it as part of your identity is to say something about your identity.

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Response to mainer (Reply #65)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:05 AM

69. That's my experience also.

My ex rarely left his armchair and TV but felt the need to have an arsenal in the house. He was a coward and a bully.

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Response to mainer (Reply #65)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:48 AM

164. What's more, they're proud of their cowardice

If you get more than one of them in a comment thread or on a forum, they start getting into pissing contests about who can be the most scared of their own shadow.

"I'm so skeert, I want to arm myself when I go to church"
"Oh yeah? Well, I'm so skeert, I won't even take a dump in my own home if Honey Boo Boo isn't with me. That's what I call my AK-47"

And so on.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:58 AM

67. Conservatives are more frightened

Despite appearances to the contrary on DU, the hardcore pro-gun position has traditionally been a conservative one. The NRA is basically a Republican organization. Conservatives have long seemed to me to be a terrified bunch of people. We're probably all familiar with the many scientific studies that have born that out in the last few years. Here's just one article among many on the subject:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=calling-truce-political-wars

After 911 people in states and communities that were very unlikely to be hit by terrorist attacks remained terrified by the prospect, while the majority of people who lived in close proximity to the attacks that had actually happened were able to move on and did not support things like attacking random countries that hadn't attacked us.

People who are both scared and armed seem rather dangerous to me. Seems like a bad combination.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:19 AM

74. True and the mother of the shooter

had her "self defense" tool used against her to kill her - in Connecticut, as likely an outcome as the scenario where she would be using them to defend herself.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:23 AM

75. Thank you for retaining the word 'pussies'.

1) it's a quote form the article

2) it's not an insult directed at women, any more than 'dick' is an insult directed at men, or 'piece of shit' is an insult directed at people who defecate. It's the ultimate insult for cowards who view themselves as some testosterone-laden ultramen. And it lands. So I say use it.

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Response to Richardo (Reply #75)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:30 AM

76. a man cheering the use of sexist slurs defining it as a sexist slur is no surprise. nt

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #76)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:36 AM

78. Sorry we don't all live on the hermetically-sealed Seabeyond planet.

...where words mean exactly what seabeyond says they mean and nothing else.

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Response to Richardo (Reply #78)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:37 AM

80. now you are going beyond silly... at least most on this thread cheer it knowing damn well

why they cheer it and do not pretend otherwise.

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Response to seabeyond (Reply #80)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:42 AM

82. I look forward to your next edition of the Dictionary of the English Language ...

... to see if I can use the words 'bitchin' or refer to ships as 'she' or call someone a 'boob' or refer to someone as 'hysterical'.

And if I call someone an 'asshole' do I have to specify that I don't mean a woman's asshole?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:36 AM

77. Guns are tools of fearful people, be it on a personal or a national level.

So, how fearful are we as individuals, as a nation?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:22 PM

91. yep

+10000 and all the pc-ism about the WORD is NOT correct or viable as an argument concerning this statement in reference to Cole's article. What is said about the gun nuts is true. And they truly are wussies also. I knew some, most have never been in the military or had to fire their weapon in anger. Wussies and that other word it is.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:56 PM

95. Congratulations DU!!!!!!

We've successfully merged progressive with nutwackery--pussies????? This site just keeps amazing.

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Response to Tutonic (Reply #95)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:15 PM

97. True.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:42 PM

103. My Response to a Gun Nut Today

He said he needed large magazine capacity rifles. My response was, "I don't. My dick is big enough to please a woman. I don't need to be a faux commando to be a man."

Wolf

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:14 PM

105. 31 NRA endorsed legislators invited to Sunday news talk shows...

...refused to show up. Talk about being cowards; perhaps they feel the need for guns to protect themselves from words.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:21 PM

107. I bet Connecticut has its share of dangerous critters like raccoons and such

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:34 PM

110. Without their guns, they are basement dwelling pieces of shit

pants shitting is their way of life. No guns, panic. Because they had their blankets taken too soon.


Dunkin Donuts filed Pillsbury dough boys threatening the rest of us here on DU because they are anonymous.







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Response to DainBramaged (Reply #110)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:53 PM

125. oooohhhhh internet tough guy

aren't you a scary big man!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #125)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:55 PM

138. Do you have anything but snark? Anything? nm

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:42 PM

112. these women died protecting children. they were not weak. you use a sexist slur to demean men, by

degrading women as a whole, that they are weak. that any man would be humiliated dared to be associated with women. this is who you choose to demean. i have waited all day for you to gain some kind of sense, using a derogatory word to throw a jab at men, at the expense of women. yet, you seem to not get it. these are the women that died for the cowardly behavior of a man. there is not weak in these women. your post is offensive. the defense of your post is disgusting.














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Response to seabeyond (Reply #112)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:30 PM

129. The only person linking that word to those women is you.

PLUS - the headline is a QUOTATION from the ARTICLE. They are NOT kpete's words. Direct your outrage at the soldier quoted, Who I'm guessing was also NOT linking that word to the women of Sandy Hook. Or you, for that matter.

My name is Richard. I could be all outraged and deliver sanctimonious lectures every time someone used the word 'Dick' to mean a penis, or a male jerk. But I don't. Because I know it's not an insult directed at ME, which is because I'm a rational adult.

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Response to Richardo (Reply #129)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 12:26 AM

160. WRONG.....Everyone knows it refers to women's genitals, so what

sort of denial bs are you trying to pull off here?

That is exactly what it does, and as another poster said,

you could express the SAME idea by using the word "chickenshits".

It's gender neutral and doesn't equate women's genitals with Cowardice.

Funny thing -- All the heroes that day possessed "pussies". The

only one who didn't needed a GUN.

Gee, along with the other shooter boys, maybe his anger sprang, in part,

from realizing those dicks weren't all they were cracked up to be.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 03:57 PM

114. Cowardice is the word.

And there are bigger ones, they target children.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:04 PM

115. So vulgar, sexist slurs are acceptable on DU now?! nt

 

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Response to TPaine7 (Reply #115)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 06:30 PM

173. Only for those with a dirty mind. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:42 PM

119. ...in Connecticut!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:51 PM

123. I would substitute "cowards" for that other word, but yeah: they are. Look right at this very forum,

where our "pro gun progressives"* engage in some of the most egregious and despicable posting behaviors, including, but not limited to extreme personal attacks of the most base sort, yet when much milder versions of the same are dished out to them to that alert button flying they do go.

And you should see some of their alert messages (I've been forwarded quite a few from other DU'ers who have served on juries of my posts instigated by same): they range from the most self-pitying pathos of the "poor-picked-upon-us" variety, to absolute rage and cold fury.

Not one of those "pro gun progressives"** has ever once owned up to an alert on one my posts, even to the timid extent of saying "I want you to know I found your reply to me offensive, so I alerted on it," AND YET they are constantly complaining about "alert stalking" and demanding people who alert on their posts come forward and tell them why.

The OP is correct, though, as I said in my subject line I would substitute the word "cowards" for that other word.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 04:59 PM

127. Excellent headline of the weekend kpete

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 05:26 PM

128. To the OP.

Well made point. To err is human and sometimes one needs to protect themselves from themselves especially when it comes to firearms. As to your last sentence that is never going to change. The notion of needing a gun for protection from a gun is too ingrained in our society to ever change. It is unfortunate that many replies to this post got lost in the weeds.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:10 PM

134. They are a bunch of cowardly lions, and just as buffoonish.

Sadly, they and their guns do a great deal of damage.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 06:33 PM

135. I wonder if misogynist language like the above plays a part in making it easer to murder women? n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:15 PM

141. Any room for reason?

My gun loving friends actually think that the first Black President is going to come and take their guns away. To me, this is insane. The 2nd Amendment folks also think they have the right to own all the firepower they can muster.

The second amendment: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The first part is important - a well regulated militia. Not a group of people calling themselves a militia, but a regulated group. Regulation is the operative word here. The 2nd amendment doesn't call for every crank to own a machine-gun. Regulated militias would provide a much more substantial level of gun control than what we have today. We need a level-headed program to control guns and the nuts who get their hands on them.

It's probably way too late. When uncle Ronnie was running the show, our country had hundreds of millions of hand guns. I seriously doubt this number has dwindled.

I have often wondered why my gun-loving fellow Americans refuse to accept the idea that maybe this right has a provision specifically calling for regulation? It's right there in the first clause.

What we have today is an unregulated gun orgy, sponsored by right wing groups who use very deceptive tactics and language to justify their belief that some kind of wild wild west era is coming, and all men should leave the house with holstered weapons.

If we all carried frisbees, things might be better?

The shadow mayor

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #141)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 07:54 PM

144. I love your post...

well said! I went to a birthday party for a gun nut friend...his wife is a very good friend of mine and is brainwashed by his beliefs as well....I was surrounded by gun-loving, obsessed, wanna-be heroes of a gun showdown. They actually talked about scenarios that they have thought of and how unsafe we are at any given moment...even using the room of the restaurant as an example of how we would be cornered should a gunman come into shoot at us! I couldn't even roll my eyes! I think my husband and I were the only two at the table that are not gun owners and believe there is a time and a place for guns, and that life does not revolve around guns. (may I add that the man that he party was for must have some kind of complex, as he is also hugely obsessed with his GTO...just speculation, but what is he compensating for?)

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Response to shadowmayor (Reply #141)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:38 PM

149. I am tempted to say that is a great post, however, because of your low post count

by DU tradition, I am obligated to mistrust you and consider that you may be a horrible, horrible troll, coming here to destroy defenseless DU. So all I have to say is walk carefully my friend.



Welcome to DU

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:33 PM

148. Wow, interesting.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:40 PM

155. That's always been my impression K&R n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:01 PM

156. K&R nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:09 PM

158. It is the truth. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 04:59 AM

165. Neither do I

 

DURec!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 02:26 PM

171. Bull

As a former infantryman who fought in combat, let me tell you, you are sorely mistaken. Many many sick but brave veterans are out there and perfectly willing to take you on with a gun or a knife, or any other way. I own guns passed down by my father who himself was a gun nut and who was a brave man. I keep these guns but I have never considered buying any more. While I certainly am not a gun nut, I know many veterans who hunt with guns and have other guns for family protection as well. These gun nuts are veterans of combat in Korea, Vietnam, the PersianGulf, and Afghanistan/and or Iraq. Some are former Army, some marines, some navy seals, but they are gun nuts.
You make a big mistake when you use a broad brush to portray a big patriotic bunch as pussies. Maybe you have too high an opinion of yourself. My unit's motto was Deeds Not Words and we should all keep that in mind when characterizing others and their bravery.
I am not a gun nut and I fervently believe we need to implement much more control of gun. I disagree with both concealed carry and open display. I disagree with anything that has any ability to fire over 6 rounds without reload in the hands of a civilian.
Soyou see that although I sympathize with yours statement about armchair warriors and especially their views on gun rights, Iresent you applying the term pussy to so many that have fought bravely.
Lets not let anger or passion distort judgement. Lets work for regulation of guns that can be agreed on.

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