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Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:13 PM

The really sad thing about all of this, is that there is NO "solution"

It is just one more thread that is there for the pulling, but will never be pulled.

Violence is just another commodity to be exploited by media, the funeral business, the ribbon business ( I guess white ribbons are for this one), the balloon & candle business..and of course the ubiquitous "sad music libraries" of media everywhere.

Massacre-Porn sells, and of course media benefits, as does the commercial-buyer who just wants eyes on his/her product.

At the heart of this and almost all real problems this society has, is the ponderous lobby industry.

People are not taught about lobbies, and what they do and how they do it. Most people are naive about how lobbyist propaganda controls their lives and sometimes takes those lives.

Lobbyists, who have thwarted real medical care for all, have no doubt taken many lives over decades (indirectly maybe, but still they are dead).

Lobbyists have twisted our election process into the mind-numbingly chaotic mess we have

The mayhem created by lobbyists is responsible for most, if not all, of the truly bad legislation we see passed all over...and for the death of good legislation that we will never see enacted.

If it makes money for someone somewhere, there will be a lobbyist or twenty or fifty or one hundred who will miraculously appear, so that whatever "it" is, will be put into action.

Conversely, anything that is for the general good, even if it COSTS money, will be demonized and stomped to death before it ever gets a chance to happen.

The average person probably never even knows how these things "happen" or why they don't happen. The uneducated among us will blame the president for not doing what he (she, someday) promised, or they will call the president weak for not "ramming legislation through congress", but they also probably do not know that lobbyists and their organizations have bought and paid for the votes that make things happen.

Senators and congress-people (and state officials as well) always want their bread to land butter-side -up, so unelected lobbyists usually prevail, no matter what "the people" want. We can take all the polls we want, and those polls can say whatever they say, but in the end, the lobbyists always get what they pay for, or they buy a new elected official to replace the one they helped toss out, for not "going along".

Don't look for any meaningful change to come.

Gun lobbies and manufacturers are in business to sell guns..

It's nothing personal.. they want to sell more guns..they just want the money.

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Reply The really sad thing about all of this, is that there is NO "solution" (Original post)
SoCalDem Dec 2012 OP
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #1
spin Dec 2012 #3
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #4
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #5
spin Dec 2012 #6
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #7
spin Dec 2012 #8
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #9
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #11
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #13
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #14
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #15
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #16
rdking647 Dec 2012 #17
cantbeserious Dec 2012 #18
teddy51 Dec 2012 #2
reformist2 Dec 2012 #10
HiPointDem Dec 2012 #12

Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:14 PM

1. Repeal The 2nd Amendment - Undermine The NRA - It Only Takes Courage And Will Power

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:49 PM

3. Do some research on how to repeal an amendment. ...

I believe you will find it far more difficult than you imagine.

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Response to spin (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:51 PM

4. 55 Here And Not A Child To Be Scolded - If The American People Want It, It Will Be Done

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:33 PM

5. That is a sentiment most honored in its breach

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:52 PM

6. 66 here and not trying in scold you. ...

Just pointing out reality. Realistically reality is a bitch.

But I will admit that you may be right. Perhaps you can put some effort into achieving your idea. Find some others who agree with you and join their organization or form your own.

I will agree that the will of the people can indeed change the Constitution but it's a long and rocky road. One advantage that your movement will have is that it will have support from the media which loves the rights granted by the First Amendment and hates the rights granted by the Second.

Also be aware that any large scale attempt to repeal the 2nd will result in increasing the sales of weapons and ammo. Obama has been called the best salesman the firearm industry ever had and after his first election it has been difficult to find many models of firearms at gun stores and often the ammo shipments fly off the shelves as some as they arrive.

Only 4.5 million members of the 80 million gun owners currently are members of the NRA and any effort to take away gun rights will cause their membership to increase dramatically and the donations to the NRA/ILA will enable the gun lobby to be even more effective than it currently is. Many good Democrats will lose their seats in congress even if they support RKBA. There is a fair possibility that after the next election we may live in a nation with a Republican president and both houses of Congress ruled by Republicans. Imagine the nightmare that would be.







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Response to spin (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:43 PM

7. Fear Mongering At Its Best

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #7)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:11 AM

8. You have your opinion and I have mine. Time will show which was right. (n/t)

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Response to spin (Reply #8)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:15 AM

9. It's Not About Being Right - It's About Doing The Right Thing

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #4)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 AM

11. yeah, like that universal health care bill we just passed. more like, if the people want it, it

 

won;t be done

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #11)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:10 AM

13. More Fear Mongering To Be Ignored

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #13)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:16 AM

14. fear-mongering? you really believe if the american people want something, they get it?

 

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Response to HiPointDem (Reply #14)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:21 AM

15. I Really Believe That When Enough Americans Have Had Enough Things Can Change - So Yes I Do Believe

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:23 AM

16. i think we've all had enough of financial fraudsters. yet things don't change.

 

but if it involves crackdown on the general population, it will probably change.

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Response to cantbeserious (Reply #1)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:28 AM

17. do you really thing you could get 2/3 of both houses of congress and all but 13 states to rarify it

not in a million years
texas,alaska,montana,florida,alabama,mississippi,wyoming,arizona,utah,oklahoma,idaho,north dakota,tennessee

your amendment fails

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Response to rdking647 (Reply #17)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:32 AM

18. If The American People Are Truly Tired Of Children Being Murdered Then It Will Change

If the American People are not truly tired of Children being murdered then what does it say about America?

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:33 PM

2. Now that is an excellent post and as true as it gets. I seriously don't know where it will

 

all end, but it won't be good. My thoughts are still that this country is much like the Roman empire just before it fell. We are one step away from having that moment.

I also think that Naomi Klein and Naomi Wolf have both been correct in their assessment over the past 12 years.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:44 AM

10. I disagree - I have a feeling this one has changed everything.

Something about the combination of the small-town location, the holiday time of year, and the total innocence of the victims is compelling everyone (well almost everyone) to think about "meaningful action," as President Obama put it.

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Response to reformist2 (Reply #10)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 08:49 AM

12. if it's 'changed everything' it's because the ruling class decided they want to tighten gun laws.

 

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