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Obama: Today’s not the day for gun control talk; Today’s not the day for gun control talk; Today's n

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One reporter pointed to Obama's remarks in July just days after a shooting spree that left 12 dead and about 60 injured at a movie theater in Aurora, Colo.

"I hope that over the next several days, next several weeks and next several months, we all reflect on how we can do something about some of the senseless violence that ends up marring this country," Obama said at the time.

Obama has made similar comments before, including at a January 2011 memorial for the victims of a mass shooting in Tucson, Arizona, in which then-Rep. Gabby Giffords was grievously wounded.

"We have to examine all the facts behind this tragedy. We cannot and will not be passive in the face of such violence. We should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of such violence in the future," Obama said . "But what we cannot do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on each other. That we cannot do."

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Reply Obama: Today’s not the day for gun control talk; Today’s not the day for gun control talk; Today's n (Original post)
UnrepentantLiberal Dec 2012 OP
patrice Dec 2012 #1
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #2
patrice Dec 2012 #4
forestpath Dec 2012 #7
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #12
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #9
patrice Dec 2012 #5
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #8
democrattotheend Dec 2012 #3
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #13
davidn3600 Dec 2012 #14
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #15
forestpath Dec 2012 #6
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #11
spanone Dec 2012 #10

Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:00 PM

1. The guy is THE Negotiator in Chief; today is not the day for OBAMA gun control talk & that's

the way it should be.

Let the people do their own talking thinking without trying to triangulate with the halls of power.

WHAT do WE need/want to do about this problem?

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Response to patrice (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:05 PM

2. Right. God FORBID the PRESIDENT show any LEADERSHIP on this.

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:58 PM

4. Right. The people are incapable of figuring out for themselves what should be done.

If power is the problem and one always makes power about "leaders", people remain REACTIONARY forever, forever waiting for power to give them a clue and then forever reacting to that, rather than knowing themselves well enough to create anything that is authentically their own and then leading themselves into "the halls of power" where they implement their own objectives, not just those defined by what leaders say or do.

So, you're for the people to remain clueless about themselves and be REACTIONARIES, defined by TTPB, k, got it.

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Response to patrice (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:19 PM

7. Then who is this "we" President Obama is referring to if it doesn't include him?

 

You put words in MotherPetrie's mouth, why?

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Response to forestpath (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:35 PM

12. LOL, I just posted the same thing to her. Why did you put words in my mouth, patrice?

 

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Response to patrice (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:31 PM

9. No, I'm for the president to show some leadership. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

 

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:00 PM

5. I sure do hope that you aren't a teacher. nt

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Response to patrice (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:30 PM

8. Why?

 

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:23 PM

3. What good would it accomplish?

We know that there is no way any kind of gun control legislation could pass the House right now. It's unlikely that it could pass the Senate, even with filibuster reform, because so many Democrats come from states where it would be political suicide.

The only thing the president would accomplish by calling for more gun regulation (which I don't dispute that we really need) is to motivate more gun sales and help the NRA raise money by giving them "proof" that he wants to take away their guns.

I hope that he will at least reach out to members of Congress and test the waters on whether there are any regulations that could garner enough votes. But if the answer is a flat-out no, I think the harm from him calling for it outweighs the benefit.

Here's an article that explains the political difficulty of getting such a bill passed. It suggests, as I do, that the president will probably see whether public opinion is strong enough in a few weeks in favor of legislation to help propel a bill through Congress.

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12/15/15918666-after-shooting-some-democrats-demand-action-but-prospects-unclear#comments

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:36 PM

13. It would show leadership, which Obama has never shown on this issue. If he follows rather than leads

 

public opinion, that doesn't say much for his leadership ability.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:57 PM

14. Democrats for the most part avoid this issue like the plague

They're convinced it is a losing issue. They might be right.

45% of American households own at least one firearm. A total of over 260 million guns in this country. The idea that we are going to be able to confiscate them all is completely stupid. We don't have the resources for such an operation. Plus when you look at things the government has tried to ban (alcohol, drugs, child porn, etc), they don't exactly have a very good track record of successfully eliminating those things.

According to Gallup: 41% of households that have a gun are Republican. 23% are Democrat, and 33% are independent.

So even 1/4th of the Democratic party owns a firearm. The Democrats I think feel deep down there isn't much they are going to be able to do with this issue.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:34 PM

15. WITholy goddamnF is talking about CONFISCATING all guns?

 

If that's what you think Obama showing leadership means, we are having the completely wrong discussion. Unless you are trying to make excuses for why the president is so passive on this urgent issue by putting words in my mouth like patrice did.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:16 PM

6. Apparently it's NEVER the day for the President to stand up to the NRA.

 

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Response to forestpath (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:33 PM

11. LOL, but it WOULD be, if he only WOULD. God forbid he be expected to meet ANY standard

 

instead of being given a pass on whatever he does or doesn't do, because he's President Obama and not President Bush.

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Response to UnrepentantLiberal (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:32 PM

10. he should have pointed out what Obama said Yesterday.

p.s. fuck the media

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