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Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:20 PM

for a listing of violent crimes linked to psychiatric medications

http://ssristories.com/index.php

Begins like this:

School Shooting Prozac WITHDRAWAL 2008-02-15 Illinois ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically
School Shooting Prozac Antidepressant 2005-03-24 Minnesota **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage
School Shooting Paxil Antidepressant 2001-03-10 Pennsylvania **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med 2011-07-11 Alabama **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student
School Shooting Zoloft Antidepressant 1995-10-12 South Carolina **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself


We have always had guns readily available. We have never had so many people on psychiatric drugs.

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Reply for a listing of violent crimes linked to psychiatric medications (Original post)
Celebration Dec 2012 OP
PDJane Dec 2012 #1
Celebration Dec 2012 #2
dionysus Dec 2012 #3
green for victory Dec 2012 #5
dionysus Dec 2012 #6
green for victory Dec 2012 #8
Union Scribe Dec 2012 #4
dionysus Dec 2012 #7
green for victory Dec 2012 #9
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #15
rainlillie Dec 2012 #10
GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #11
Celebration Dec 2012 #12
GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #13
Celebration Dec 2012 #14
GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #16
TexasBushwhacker Dec 2012 #17
Celebration Dec 2012 #18
ananda Dec 2012 #19

Response to Celebration (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:39 PM

1. No. The problem is NOT the pills. It's screening and follow-up,

And that is due to lack of funding and facilities. I have taken Prozac. I now take Celexa. I did take Paxil, and found it useless. However, I can tell you that men are more likely to have a frustrated anger that leads to depression, and for those people, in my experience, selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitors have an iffy effect on people under 25 and those with rage issues. The prescription for anti-depression and anti-psychotic drugs is just the beginning, especially in those under 25. Mood and effects have to be carefully monitored, and how can that be done if money isn't spent on the staff to do so?

You can blame all kinds of things, but the two most important are staff, education, and monitoring of metal illness and gun control. All of this is an excuse to avoid the main ingredient; no one actually wants to contain guns in the US. If people die, especially children, it's a small price to pay for your freedom to own firearms.

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Response to PDJane (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:45 PM

2. it IS the screening and followup

And probably people inconsistently taking the meds, which is worst of all.

Without proper screening and followup, they should NOT be prescribed AT ALL, especially for those under 25.

I'm waiting for the list of meds he was on. However, our media is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies, so I am not holding my breath.

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Response to Celebration (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:06 PM

3. sorry, anti depressants don't turn people into mass murdering psychopaths...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:28 PM

5. can you imagine the outcry if, instead of "Prozac" in that database

 

it read LSD

or Crack?

The Drug Warriors like Joe Biden would be apoplectic. Demands for spontaneous roadblock searches, a snitch campaign, who knows what they would cook up.

Anyone that looks at that (sortable!) database should conclude that there is something going on that needs immediate discussion and study. NOW! Not next year, or after the next Prozaced shooter goes berserk.

It's right there! THE Common link is right out in front of everyone's eyes and the media won't risk their advertising dollars to bring up the subject!

at least that's one theory I'm working on...

EDIT: By the way you say "anti depressants don't turn people into mass murdering psychopaths"

Here are the words from the warning label on the bottle of Prozac:

WARNING

SUICIDALITY AND ANTIDEPRESSANT DRUGS

Antidepressants increased the risk compared to placebo of suicidal thinking and behavior (suicidality) in children, adolescents, and young adults in short-term studies of Major Depressive Disorder (MDD) and other psychiatric disorders. Anyone considering the use of PROZAC (fluoxetine hcl) or any other antidepressant in a child, adolescent, or young adult must balance this risk with the clinical need. Short-term studies did not show an increase in the risk of suicidality with antidepressants compared to placebo in adults beyond age 24; there was a reduction in risk with antidepressants compared to placebo in adults aged 65 and older. Depression and certain other psychiatric disorders are themselves associated with increases in the risk of suicide. Patients of all ages who are started on antidepressant therapy should be monitored appropriately and observed closely for clinical worsening, suicidality, or unusual changes in behavior. Families and caregivers should be advised of the need for close observation and communication with the prescriber.

http://www.rxlist.com/prozac-drug.htm

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Thanks to the OP: Spread the word! Tweet the URL! We must do the mainstream medias job here.

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Response to green for victory (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:32 PM

6. the OP is a bunch of bullshit.

if a psychopath kills someone, do you blame the psycopathy, or anti-depressants?

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Response to dionysus (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:38 PM

8. How so? Each article (that i've clicked anyway) is directly sourced

 

what part of that website is BS?

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Response to Celebration (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:08 PM

4. and here come the Scientologists!

Maybe if we had just treated the kid's thetans it would've all worked out.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:37 PM

7. no shit... like vultures descending, the woo brigade moves in to pick meat from the bones of

the dead...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:40 PM

9. I don't get it, are you suggesting there not be a discussion of one

 

of the most important things that link almost every (possibly every) shooting in the last few decades?

Really?

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:08 PM

15. Indeed. This is exactly when the woo-woo artists ply their trade. n/t

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Response to Celebration (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:40 PM

10. Good post.

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Response to Celebration (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:48 PM

11. People go on those meds for a reason. Are they over-prescribed? Possibly. Are

they completely unnecessary? No. For the right people they can be godsends.

It is about careful screening and follow-up. I've been on meds that destabilized my bipolar, but I know enough to get off of them when it happens. I tell the doc and we try something different.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:56 PM

12. I feel that they are sometimes necessary and worth the risk

But they should be prescribed with GREAT CAUTION, and probably not at all to people that are at risk for psychosis.

You know enough, because you are basically sane. Not sure at all about the under 25 crowd.................

We need to enter into a discussion about the contribution that the widespread use of these medication to those under age 25 has to the upswing in mass murders.

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Response to Celebration (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:59 PM

13. I have a young son who is on Prozac. He is sooo much better for it. The thing is, you can't really

know who is at risk for a bad reaction to a med. It's just a guessing game. "Don't feel right? Try this. Did that make you feel worse? Try that."

Until we can scientifically understand the workings (let alone the problems) with the human brain, this will continue to be the treatment method.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:02 PM

14. there is now an objective test for serotonin syndrome

Do doctors know about it and use it? No.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11426299

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Response to Celebration (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:11 PM

16. This is good to know. We need more objective measurements in dealing with mental health care.

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Response to Celebration (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:14 PM

17. Where's the list of violent crimes commited by people NOT on psychiatric medications

I bet it's a LOT longer.

Not to mention, people who take psychiatric meds and their families have a responsibility to pay attention to violent thoughts and behavior. You say "we have always had guns readily available." If I were a parent of a child on psychiatric meds, I wouldn't have a gun in the house, PERIOD. I take antidepressants and have struggled with depression for my entire adult life SO I DON'T OWN GUNS and I won't live with people who do.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:53 PM

18. I agree with that!

Doctors should NOT PRESCRIBE ANTI-DEPRESSANTS to people that own guns.

Not sure if there is a list of senseless mass murders that happen without medications. Obviously there were some mass murderers before psychiatric medications, but generally by older people. I think most of the issue is with those under 25 years old. And suicidal thoughts have been linked to SSRIs. There would need to be a large scale study to actually prove the linkage between improper anti-depressant use and mass murders in those under age 25, but there will never be such a study.

Japan is much more careful about anti-depressant use, for the very reason that violent thoughts can occasionally occur with their use.

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Response to Celebration (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:54 PM

19. Studies show a direct link between psychotropes..

.. and exacerbated violent and suicidal tendencies.

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