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Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:33 PM

Sacrificing thousands of kids on the altar of racist rightwing fantasies

...why do exurban and rural white men care so much about this issue? Most of them don't actually hunt for sport, and hunting rifles aren't on the radar for gun control, anyway. Fear that hunting will be outlawed cannot explain it. There is a lot of talk among the Tea Party crowd about the "defense of liberty" that undergirds the rationale for the Second Amendment in the first place. But while that sort of talk is satisfying and high-minded for self-styled modern patriots, the reality belies the fantasy: the vast majority of these men don't actually see themselves gunning down police and soldiers in a hypothetical Communist state takeover, and the puny small arms in question wouldn't begin to stand up to the might of America's high-tech standing army. Being an insurgent in Iraq or Afghanistan is a dangerous occupation at best fueled in part by anger at outside invaders, and it's highly unlikely that these passionate gun advocates are hedging against a future as guerrilla warriors shooting American soldiers from duck blinds.

But it doesn't take much time reading through conservative websites to see what actually drives the desperate need to own high-priced killing machines. There is a vast, festering paranoia in conservative circles about the "looters" and "parasites" coming to take their hard-earned material possessions in the supposed coming debt-fueled collapse of society. There is continual worry about some dark-skinned assailant attempting to enter their home and potentially steal their property. Radio shock jocks react to stories about carjacking by demanding that more people carry guns in order to litter the streets with more "dead urban thugs." There are large segments of the population that want nothing more than to eliminate subsidies to the poor and then await the desperate masses who will supposedly come to their doorstep with a lead welcome. Ron Paul and Alex Jones' legions of followers have been told to "defend your supplies from those who refused to prepare" for the supposed riots coming when EBT cards are canceled. It's doesn't take much investigation of conservative media consumer attitudes to discover that these sentiments are shockingly widespread.

It sounds too awful to contemplate, but reality is a cruel mistress. It's painfully obvious what motivates the rabidly pro-gun base: a deep-seated desire to unwind the social contract and cleanse undesirables who are allegedly stealing their tax dollars. These murderous fear-fueled fantasies have no bearing on any events that will actually take place in the real world (except possibly some decades on by climate change induced migrations), but they are strong motivators nonetheless. Unfortunately, both political parties are also motivated to hold onto the voters who carry these nightmarish visions in their heads.

What this functionally means is that we as a nation are openly allowing thousands of our children to die every year so that certain segments of the population can role-play racist murder fantasies. It's not awful to admit that this is true. It's awful that it's happening, and that we as a nation must pay the price for it with the torn and mutilated bodies of our innocence and our future.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/12/sacrificing-thousands-of-kids-on-altar.html

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Reply Sacrificing thousands of kids on the altar of racist rightwing fantasies (Original post)
phantom power Dec 2012 OP
JustAnotherGen Dec 2012 #1
intaglio Dec 2012 #2
The Magistrate Dec 2012 #3
iemitsu Dec 2012 #4
loyalsister Dec 2012 #6
Archae Dec 2012 #8
loyalsister Dec 2012 #9
sufrommich Dec 2012 #5
COLGATE4 Dec 2012 #7
XemaSab Dec 2012 #10
etherealtruth Dec 2012 #28
musical_soul Dec 2012 #11
riderinthestorm Dec 2012 #12
MightyMopar Dec 2012 #13
mountain grammy Dec 2012 #14
SpartanDem Dec 2012 #15
nxylas Dec 2012 #16
TeamPooka Dec 2012 #17
freshwest Dec 2012 #18
mike dub Dec 2012 #19
Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #20
Initech Dec 2012 #21
Major Nikon Dec 2012 #22
John2 Dec 2012 #23
quakerboy Dec 2012 #24
MisterP Dec 2012 #25
DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #26
Skip Intro Dec 2012 #27
Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #30
Skip Intro Dec 2012 #31
SpartanDem Dec 2012 #32
Skip Intro Dec 2012 #33
SpartanDem Dec 2012 #34
Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2012 #36
CreekDog Dec 2012 #37
Skip Intro Dec 2012 #38
JI7 Dec 2012 #29
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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:42 PM

1. Rec

Go to the link - and read the entire article. Read it now.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:46 PM

2. Rec and waiting

... for the gun lovers to come and try to trash the thread

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:47 PM

3. Cold But Fair, Sir

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:53 PM

4. This is a well-thought-out and articulate argument that isolates

the root of the "gun problem" in America. We are a nation of fearful, ignorant, racist bigots, who feel entitled to have more than we need even when we recognize that others don't have enough to survive. And rather than addressing the basic and cruel inequalities in our society we blame and fear those who are the victims of inequality. We worship the system, institutions, and people who maintain the inequality and condemn those whose lives reveal the ugliness of what we worship.
A nation of weaklings filled with individuals so desperate for stuff that we have forgotten our humanity. And we defend this reality by shutting out and marginalizing any who dare point this out. We are an exceptional people with an exceptional destiny, I suppose, if exceptional means, no one else is quite like us.

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Response to iemitsu (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:01 PM

6. How many wars in this have been about or waged against an "other"

In other words, how many wars have we fought against white people with absolutely no racial component? Of course, there are fewer white people worldwide, but isn't that the starting point?

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:13 PM

8. We fought 2 wars against the British, and 2 wars against the Germans.

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Response to Archae (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:24 PM

9. I was pointing to wars of aggression not internal defense

Also keep in mind, the atomic bombs were not dropped on Germany. We declared war on American citizens of Japanese descent.
And, aside from those, the thousands of battles against Native American people, a Civil War, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Iraq.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:56 PM

5. Needs to be said. nt

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:11 PM

7. Well put. K&R

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:28 PM

10. "But what if I NEED to kill someone?"

This is what virtually all non-hunting pro-gun talk boils down to.

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Response to XemaSab (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:40 PM

28. it sure does

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 03:31 PM

11. Well, if there are that many white racists out there wanting to kill black people....

then it sounds like black people need some guns.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:25 PM

12. This is an excellent article. K&R. Timely, effective, necessary. nt

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:42 PM

13. Remember the so-called NRA comic book?

 

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:42 PM

14. I completely agree with this. Very sad, very true. We all know these people.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:42 PM

15. I think this is definitely a problem

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just read FR and you do seeing that rabid element. These people have controlled the debate on gun laws for far too long. The vast majority of gun owner do not think like this and actually support thing like closing the gun show loophole.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:44 PM

16. If you had to ask...

...you obviously weren't paying attention to their defense of George Zimmerman.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:45 PM

17. k+r!

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 04:55 PM

18. Agree.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:05 PM

19. This sums up my F-I-L to a T

Lives in the rural Deep South, owns many guns. He doesn't hunt. Says the guns are mostly "as protection against thugs (instead mostly using the racial epithet some use around here) who will come out of the nearest small city --to get his stuff-- when the sh*t hits the fan". Gotta love him, but man, he fully believes the bit about undesirables coming to steal his stuff (Property) --and needing to take them out with a rifle that would take a charging bear.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:10 PM

20. The stupid thing is

these suburban commandos will find themselves no match for the "urban thugs" who come to take their stuff.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:32 PM

21. I was reading an article the other day about "Doomsday Perppers" type people.

The more a person really believes in the end times the more fucked up they're likely to be - and most if not all buy into Glenn Beck's bullshit and whatever he sells they get. One guy was like "Yeah I've got my gold. I've got my gun. I've got my food insurance. Bring it on."

Really these people are crazy and psychotic.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:36 PM

22. Demagoguery is what fuels most wingnuttery

The fact that so many are easily swayed by it is very telling.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:44 PM

23. Well, I'll

 

let everybodyelse interpret their information and I will interpret it as I see it. Anybody stocking weapons up for the collapse of the country, would be extreme to me. I don't care what you say. Sure you might be a victim, but you are from your own stupidity. Mr Lanza was twenty years old and home schooled. Wether he is protrayed as mentally disturbed or not, he shot kids at cold blooded range. So I don't know if he ever saw a doctor, but he was disturbed about something and shot those kids, some seven times. I'm not an arm chair doctor though like most people are.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:26 PM

24. Ya lost me in the first paragraph

"the vast majority of these men don't actually see themselves gunning down police and soldiers in a hypothetical Communist state takeover"

Wrong, in my experience. My dad has always loved Red Dawn. The original. Granted, Im pretty sure that by the time it came out, he saw himself more in the roll of the father, having taught what he knows and being gunned down for his high moral standing. And I dont think his gun club buddies are so different.

Everyone wants to be special. And some people need a gun to feel that way, apparently. Its kinda like a super power, for the fearful

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:17 PM

25. same goes for public transit and safety nets

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:28 PM

26. UGLY ass truth

The reason so many of these people fear gun control is because America encourages a fantasy, that if worse comes to worse, White Anglo Saxon Protestant males can go ahead and blow away whoever dares limit their rights to whatever they want...yee-haw. It is the threat of violence that was meant to keep everyone else in check, thus the threats of shooting Obama, and the actual shooting of Mexicans. The Government does not want to damage that because the military depends on the idea that you, yes, you, can be turned into a superhero that can shoot those evil brown people who even arm their children with guns! Be....alll that you can be....coz it's not just a job, it's an adventure!

But more than that, the powers that be want Joe rural to think that the big threats to him come from brown people, when the corporate scum are already busy sending his job to China, and figuring out all the ways to screw Joe Rural over for profit. As vile as many of our enemies are (and yes, they are) Wall Street has killed more Americans than Ben ladin ever could.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:39 PM

27. What a load of bullshit.

Some dolt uses a post or two from a few obscure websites to paint gun owners as racists (I was wondering how long it would take to employ that tired line of attack - a day is the answer) and unstable end-of-society types.

DU's eagerness to jump on racist bullshit like the blog quoted in the OP is sad and embarrassing.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:44 PM

30. Oh, you know very well the OP isn't talking about hunters or skeet shooters

He's talking about the types who stockpile arsenals to "protect" their property from dark-skinned people. You've met such people. I certainly have.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

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Response to Lydia Leftcoast (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:53 PM

31. He's taking a few isolated posts on obscure websites

to paint gun owners as racist lunatics.

It's bullshit.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:54 PM

32. It's more than a post or two

it's a common theme on right wing sites. You should also read Freeper Madness which blogs about some of the crazier things people on FR say, this one of the more common things they post about.

http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/189713/right-wing-fringe-dwellers-stoking-race-riot-fears-if-obama-loses/


http://vikingkitties.blogspot.com/search?q=race+war



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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:57 PM

33. Yeah, those sites don't look at all obscure.

I'm sure comments there represent the vast majority of legal gun owners in the US.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #33)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:04 PM

34. They certainly represent a decent percentage the conservative bases feelings.

You've seen the polls on birtherism, it's not a stretch to believe many of these people are one in the same. If you have people in the GOP, (their presidential nominee didn't have guts to rebuke Donald Trump) too scared to say the President is absolutely a citizen, they're not gonna be very inclined to cross these people on gun control.

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Response to SpartanDem (Reply #32)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:28 PM

36. Not to mention the online comments in local newspapers

They're convinced that mobs of African-Americans are just itching to execute home invasions on their suburb.

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Response to Skip Intro (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:38 PM

37. you painted black people as racist in a big OP here at DU

and you only talk about racism against whites.

you make it a point to argue that every instance of racism against black people is false or unproven.

what is your big issue with racism? that your threshold for believing it's against white people is lower than your threshold to believe it's against black people?

and where did your progressivism go?

you used to be a liberal in many respects but the past years, since Obama got elected, it seems like you've taken a hard right turn and pretty much have only criticized Obama and Democrats from the right.

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Response to CreekDog (Reply #37)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 09:30 PM

38. Hey stalker. Please share the link to back up that bs accusation.

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on edit:

As to the rest of your post, I've been down the never-ending and pointless road of bullshit that passes for a "discussion" with you. I won't be doing that again.

I will say that the way you keep tabs on people is creepy as hell. It implies a sickness. If you behave in real life anywhere near the way you behave here your neighbors should be alerted and you should be treated, voluntarily or otherwise.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 07:42 PM

29. THey need it against threats like Trayvon Martin

who are armed with skittles and iced tea.

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Response to phantom power (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:07 PM

35. Fuckin' A. K&R.

That's it, exactly.

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