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Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:36 PM

His mother WASN'T a teacher at the school after all?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/12/nancy_lanza_not_a_teacher.php?ref=fpblg
If true, this is important. I'm a teacher, and yesterday after school I was approached by a distraught parent. She was devastated by the shootings, and seemed very concerned that a teacher's son was the suspect.

If she was not a teacher at the school, this needs to be corrected ASAP. As Josh Marshall, writes, there have been questions about this for hours now, yet mainstream sources are STILL identifying her as a kindergarten teacher at that school.

This fact matters because facts matter. But I know from experience that the idea that it was the teacher's son who did this adds a new layer of terror to the situation for parents.

Also, as a teacher for nearly thirty years, I found it very strange that a credentialed teacher would keep so many high powered weapons (legal or not) in a home with an unbalanced son. It just didn't ring true to me. Teachers aren't perfect, but I was shocked to hear that.

Again, it matters, and if she was not a teacher at the school it needs to be corrected. Even if a correction is made, ninety percent of the population will always believe that it was the teacher's son who did it. Once something like this gets into the public's mind, it's in there for good.

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Reply His mother WASN'T a teacher at the school after all? (Original post)
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 OP
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #1
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #2
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #3
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #6
undeterred Dec 2012 #23
underpants Dec 2012 #25
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #29
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #4
jberryhill Dec 2012 #30
proud2BlibKansan Dec 2012 #35
Fla Dem Dec 2012 #36
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #5
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #8
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #13
undeterred Dec 2012 #7
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #9
GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #10
MrsBrady Dec 2012 #12
GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #17
MrsBrady Dec 2012 #19
Lone_Star_Dem Dec 2012 #20
MrsBrady Dec 2012 #15
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #16
MrsBrady Dec 2012 #18
WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2012 #39
Schema Thing Dec 2012 #11
underpants Dec 2012 #14
GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #21
underpants Dec 2012 #22
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #24
GreenPartyVoter Dec 2012 #26
underpants Dec 2012 #28
HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #27
senseandsensibility Dec 2012 #31
John2 Dec 2012 #33
HooptieWagon Dec 2012 #34
malaise Dec 2012 #32
jsr Dec 2012 #37
FarCenter Dec 2012 #38

Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:37 PM

1. No. She was not.

School district released a statement early this morning. She had no relationship with the school.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:50 PM

2. No relationship?

Was she even a teacher? I find this a very strange mistake for so many news outlets to make. What was it based on?

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:51 PM

3. She was reportedly an ex-wife with a healthy alimony settlement

Her son may have gone to school there. But the district says she was not an employee.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:54 PM

6. Do you have a link for that?

I'm not doubting you, but I have would love to read more about this. I haven't seen that in my searches. The reporting on this particular aspect of the case is appalling IMO.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:21 PM

23. I think its just hard to get good information in a crisis.

Its hard to satisfy the media when the #1 priority still has to be the investigation. From the news conference this morning it appears that there is an adult survivor who was hospitalized and will be able to tell the police what happened inside the school yesterday... otherwise everyone was killed.

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Response to underpants (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:30 PM

29. Thanks!

eom

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:31 PM

30. Was that limited to the present tense?

According to one report which included extensive information about the divorce, alimony, etc. she had been a teacher there up until some years ago when she left to take care of Adam full time.

Was the statement in response to reports that she is currently a teacher, or did the statement indicate that she had not been one at some prior time?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:14 PM

35. I saw that too.

All i have is a statement from the school district saying she was not an employee. Don't know if she used to be or not.

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Response to proud2BlibKansan (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:57 PM

36. ABC reported she was once a classroom aide. Info was from ex sister-in law. n/t

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:53 PM

5. The investigators said yesterday they could find no proof she was.

It appears to have all come from on person (allegedly a parent) saying they thought maybe she was a substitute teacher there.

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Response to Lone_Star_Dem (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:56 PM

8. Well, I read many reports yesterday from "reliable" news sources

that called her a kindergarten teacher at that school, not a substitute. Really appalling reporting.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:06 PM

13. Yeah, so did I.

One outlet would hear a rumor and state it as fact. Then the rest would grab it up and make the same claim. No vetting of the information whatsoever. Now a lot of people are still spreading fabrications as fact. It's as if the media is no more trustworthy than a local small town gossip.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:55 PM

7. I heard she was a former teacher, but not at that school.

The shooter was a former student at the school.

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Response to undeterred (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:58 PM

9. He was, still it's K-4.

He wouldn't have went there for 11 years or so now. Not saying that's not the connection, but damn.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:01 PM

10. So why was she there?

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:04 PM

12. she wasn't at the school

that was mis-reported.

I think she's dead at home, but I don't think they've said who's dead at her house yet.
I'm not even sure if she's dead or not, really.

This is the problem...much mis-information. I've been reading through
current news articles to try to get some more accurate information.

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Response to MrsBrady (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:09 PM

17. I heard there was a dead brother at home, but that was yesterday's confused reporting.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:10 PM

19. I don't think any of that

has been confirmed.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:14 PM

20. Heard that too. It's not true.

Lots of bad reporting by major outlets yesterday.

He killed his mother at home. His brother lived in NJ, not CT. He was at work at the time of the shooting. He's fine.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:07 PM

15. update, ok I found this

update: on edit...bad info, never mind...
and it was ABC, also

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #10)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:08 PM

16. I heard on either ABC or CBS last night that she was a volunteer teacher's aide.

(This is the first I'm tuning in today, so I'm not aware of any updates...)

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Response to WorseBeforeBetter (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:10 PM

18. she had no connection with the school

bad info yesterday.

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Response to MrsBrady (Reply #18)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:32 PM

39. "Classroom aide" according to former sister-in-law.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/adam-lanzas-mom-pulled-school-relative/story?id=17985433

But I'm not accepting anything as gospel. Other than that we've got huge fucking problems in this country, on many different levels.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:03 PM

11. You should ALWAYS assume that most everything you hear about a disaster, is wrong, the first time...



you hear it, for at least the first 24 hours.


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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:06 PM

14. Forced his way in - no school work by her - Adam has altercation with 4 school staff the day before,

3 of the 4 staff members were murdered yesterday
The mother took her sons target shooting
the father left the home to her in the divorce and $240K/year alimony
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021989843

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Response to underpants (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:17 PM

21. There was an altercation the day before? In hindsight I guess asking the cops to

keep an eye out would have been a good idea, but who knew, right?

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:20 PM

22. Hindsight 20/20

Yeah but people tend not to think that anything will happen. I mean no one could really consider that THAT would have happened. I still can't believe it myself and I know it happened.

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Response to underpants (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:22 PM

24. Yes, it would depend on what kind of altercation.

If it was violent, of course police would have been called. Verbal? It depends. With so few facts, we can't really judge.

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Response to underpants (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:24 PM

26. Exactly, especially since some of the staff probably knew him as a child and didn't

see him as that kind of threat.

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Response to GreenPartyVoter (Reply #26)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:26 PM

28. You have probably read the two profiles of him that I have

everyone in that town (of 27,000) seemed to know each other.

He was either seen as a brilliant but troubled rich kid or a whackjob-accident-waiting-to-happen rich kid

I have read both.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:26 PM

27. She was a substitute teacher, not at school at the time.

Her body was discovered at home. This was from a NYT article reprinted in my local paper today, and contradicts reports from yesterday that she was killed in a classroom at the school.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #27)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:32 PM

31. I don't even think she was a substitute teacher.

But I guess we will see as facts emerge.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:57 PM

33. She is

 

a victim, but I think she might have been an extremist. That is my opinion as more information comes in. Her son had no regards for life and she taught him to shoot.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Reply #31)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:17 PM

34. I was just relaying information from today's paper.

There may be more corrections and clarifications in over the next couple days.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:47 PM

32. Just heard that too

M$Greedia is really unprofessional.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:02 PM

37. Journalism took a vacation yesterday

Much of what was reported and repeated ad nauseam yesterday - in print and on TV - was speculative bullshit.

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Response to senseandsensibility (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:05 PM

38. According to her sister-in-law, she was formerly a classroom aide at the school

Marsha Lanza, who is Adam's aunt and Nancy's ex-sister-in-law, called her former sister-in-law an "awesome ... giving person." She also told Evelyn Holmes of ABC-owned-and-operated station WLS in Chicago that Nancy had once been a classroom aide at the Sandy Hook school.


http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/adam-lanzas-mom-pulled-school-relative/story?id=17985433

This may not have been a paid position or it may have been billed through a temp agency so the school may not have a payroll record of her.

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