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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:54 PM

Here comes that same old song and dance again...

If a gun is simply a tool, why don't you build me a house with your guns? Or raise a crop?

A hammer is a tool. It could be a weapon but its primary function is a tool and it works beautifully at that.

A gun is a weapon, not a tool. A gun has no function except killing: animals and humans.

So please, go hunting with a simple shotgun or hunting rifle but spare me the need of "the right to bear arms".

Sure, you can "bear" a flintlock rifle or a musket but not a handgun of any type and certainly not a military weapon.

And how about age limits, training, testing and licensing and license renewal?

You need a minimum of these to get a drivers' license so why not a gun, nationwide, America? You are becoming a human slaughterhouse with no morals or ethics.

What other developed country allows murder and killing so freely than the U.S.?

And don't raise that argument that you can kill without guns, of course you can. But not with the ease and the distance. To kill with one's hands, a knife or a hammer requires an intimacy, face to face: smell, touch, sight, sound and even taste.

If you have to own a gun and you have to kill someone when you're angry, scared, distraught or mentally unbalanced please do us one favor: test your gun on yourself first.

Gun owner's rights? How about non-owner's rights? Victims' rights.

At one time people in the U.S. were able to smoke freely and pollute the air around them and affect those around them with secondary smoke. Gradually, kicking and screaming, smokers were tamed. The rights of the victims outweighed the selfishness of the drug users.

Do people still smoke? Of course. The tobacco industry is spreading itself bigger and better and more globally than ever.

But at least, for a portion of the non-smokers, the vehicles we ride in, the stores we shop in, the offices we work in have become cleaner, safer and healthier.

It's time for sanity to control guns and gun laws, not insanity...

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Reply Here comes that same old song and dance again... (Original post)
Godot51 Dec 2012 OP
Flatpicker Dec 2012 #1
RegexReader Dec 2012 #5
stonecutter357 Dec 2012 #14
roody Dec 2012 #18
intheflow Dec 2012 #23
patrice Dec 2012 #2
adieu Dec 2012 #6
patrice Dec 2012 #11
tk2kewl Dec 2012 #3
ginnyinWI Dec 2012 #4
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #7
former-republican Dec 2012 #16
Flabbergasted Dec 2012 #19
triplepoint Dec 2012 #8
pinboy3niner Dec 2012 #9
ellisonz Dec 2012 #10
secondwind Dec 2012 #12
tk2kewl Dec 2012 #20
derby378 Dec 2012 #21
tk2kewl Dec 2012 #22
SCVDem Dec 2012 #13
former-republican Dec 2012 #15
intheflow Dec 2012 #24
former-republican Dec 2012 #25
intheflow Dec 2012 #26
OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #17
jsr Dec 2012 #27

Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:02 PM

1. Agreed

But, I'd like to see a little more attention paid at this moment to mental healthcare.

Mental Healthcare issues need to be addressed in our country. It's needed just as badly as gun laws, if not more.
Somebody with untreated or undiagnosed issues is still a danger with or without a gun.

I just think in light of what has happened, we should take both issues on.

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Response to Flatpicker (Reply #1)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:13 AM

5. My wager is

that the shooter will be found to be borderline schizophrenic that was non compliant with his medicines and was a recreational pot user. One of the points missed by those that want to legalize MJ is that THC can push schizophrenics into a full blown episode; whereas, the rest of us it just gives us the munchies.

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Response to RegexReader (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:05 AM

14. You

You make me wanna roll throw up!

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Response to RegexReader (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:25 AM

18. Pot! Now that's a stretch.

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Response to RegexReader (Reply #5)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:06 PM

23. As if alcohol had nothing to do with domestic abuse.

And not even be connected with a mental illness.

Of course, that's part of the problem, too. What is considered mental illness in this country, and the fact that we pretend it doesn't exist in someone we know because it hasn't been diagnosed.

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:09 PM

2. Excellent post! but controls alone will not work, the root causes will just morph into something

else.

America REALLY needs to try to look at how we are living and why this kind of stuff happens.

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Response to patrice (Reply #2)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:20 AM

6. Correction...

controls alone will not fully work, but it will have a noticeable impact. And I think it's better and worthy to get 10% improvement rather than debate on how to get 100% improvement. Getting to 100% (or even 90%) is a fruitless, pointless exercise that the NRA wants us to get into. They know it is impossible at this stage, in America, to achieve 90% improvement.

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Response to adieu (Reply #6)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:37 AM

11. I agree. Never discount the value of "small" things. It may be that discounting that has put us here

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:24 PM

3. if this post doesn't hit 200 recs i will need to rethink what this place about

thank you Godot51

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:35 AM

4. yes it really matters what kind of gun a crazy can get his hands on

How many would be so bold walking into a school if their gun only would shoot one bullet at a time? And what kind of damage could they do before police arrived v.s. using a semi-automatic military gun?

If we can't ban all guns, we can ban the worst of them. You don't need a semi-automatic to shoot Bambi.

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:22 AM

7. I like the idea that handguns can only be used at a shooting range and must be stored there.

It is in effect a compromise. Gun owners can own them and the rest if society is safe from them.

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Response to Flabbergasted (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:18 AM

16. I'm sure criminals will comply with that law

 

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Response to former-republican (Reply #16)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:12 PM

19. Adam Lanza and his mother were not criminals. I'm discussing how to make these guns less accessible

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:23 AM

8. If Guns Don't Kill People...

 

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:26 AM

9. Good post, brother

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:35 AM

10. Amen.

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:39 AM

12. There are 280 million weapons in this country, how do we get rid of so many guns?

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Response to secondwind (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:26 PM

20. one at a time

if need be

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Response to tk2kewl (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:30 PM

21. Ain't gonna happen

Keep dreaming - the real world will still be here when you wake up.

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Response to derby378 (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 05:40 PM

22. i will keep dreaming

as RFK said: "There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?"

why do anything otherwise

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:46 AM

13. Time for a new NRA logo

An AK crossed with an AR-15 with a wreath of handguns.

I doubt anyone has a problem with actual sportsman rifles, that is never the issue.

So many people bought firearms just because Obama was elected and then re-elected. So many stupid sheep who will believe any old bullshit they hear on the unamerican right wing media outlets.

That's why we need psych evals before allowing a purchase. These people aren't stable!

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:15 AM

15. who tests you , a doctor set up by your state or the federal government?

 

So we have 40 million gun owners make an appointment to be tested.

Sounds easy enough.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:16 PM

24. How many drivers do we have?

We don't seem to have a problem testing every driver. Is it just because it would have to be someone who has training diagnosing mental illness instead of someone who's had training to become a driver's ed instructor? Because I see very little difference in implementation.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:49 PM

25. "Is it just because it would have to be someone who has training diagnosing mental illness instead "

 

Yes

How many qualified people do we have in the country to do that?

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Response to former-republican (Reply #25)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:45 AM

26. You speak as though education is impossible to come by.

This could be a job-creation moment. Just because we don't have the workforce this second doesn't mean that workforce couldn't be created. I'm sure there are many people who would be interested in working a mental health job but since mental health care sucks in this country, job openings are few and far between - and often pay crap - so people don't chose that profession. Your argument is short-sighted. People didn't know how to work an assembly line when Ford started his company, no one knew how to teach driving when Ford started his factory, they learned quickly enough.

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 02:22 AM

17. Same old song . . .

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Response to Godot51 (Original post)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 10:49 AM

27. But but how can you raise a cow or chicken or vegetables without a Bushmaster?

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