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A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 OP
Mr.Bill Dec 2012 #1
bettyellen Dec 2012 #6
eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #39
jschurchin Dec 2012 #2
NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #3
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #4
former-republican Dec 2012 #5
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #8
former-republican Dec 2012 #9
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #13
marions ghost Dec 2012 #7
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #12
former-republican Dec 2012 #22
marions ghost Dec 2012 #25
AndyTiedye Dec 2012 #23
marions ghost Dec 2012 #31
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #33
marions ghost Dec 2012 #41
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #32
marions ghost Dec 2012 #37
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #38
marions ghost Dec 2012 #45
reACTIONary Dec 2012 #53
reACTIONary Dec 2012 #47
Gregorian Dec 2012 #10
freshwest Dec 2012 #29
lbrtbell Dec 2012 #35
REP Dec 2012 #44
Hissyspit Dec 2012 #55
donco Dec 2012 #11
Jonny Dec 2012 #14
REP Dec 2012 #49
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #15
marions ghost Dec 2012 #28
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #16
JanMichael Dec 2012 #17
Comatose Sphagetti Dec 2012 #18
reACTIONary Dec 2012 #19
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #24
ileus Dec 2012 #20
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #21
X_Digger Dec 2012 #30
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #42
SpartanDem Dec 2012 #26
X_Digger Dec 2012 #27
Warpy Dec 2012 #34
rrneck Dec 2012 #36
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #40
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #46
Honeycombe8 Dec 2012 #48
REP Dec 2012 #52
renie408 Dec 2012 #43
randome Dec 2012 #50
devilgrrl Dec 2012 #51
Ghost in the Machine Dec 2012 #54
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #56
BainsBane Dec 2012 #57
A HERETIC I AM Dec 2012 #58

Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:30 PM

1. Nothing should happen.

If you are responsible and keep them secured. If you have no intention of using them, remove some critical parts that will make them not function and store the parts in safe deposit box.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:37 PM

6. this.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:14 PM

39. +27 nt

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:32 PM

2. Nothing.

Period.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:32 PM

3. Since you ask....

I think, nothing should happen to you or your pistol and rifle.

Sorry to hear about the passing of your father.

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Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:35 PM

4. Thanks. He died in 2000. You're very kind. n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:36 PM

5. The rifle you have could easily be made safe by removing the firing pin

 

As to the handgun
Do you keep that as self defense handgun in your home?

You can acquire a small safe that is finger print recognizable for easy access.
Then have it bolted to the floor somewhere in the home.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:42 PM

9. Why have rounds at all for it then, just get rid of them and lock the thing away.

 

problem solved if you think you have one.

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Response to former-republican (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:46 PM

13. But I don't. n/t

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:39 PM

7. Nobody's going to take your guns away

can you think about the kids for a minute or is it all about you?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:56 PM

22. My opinion is you took on the responsibility of having them , one you purchased

 

and one was passed on to you , either way then it's your responsibility to have them locked up and secured in your home.

I think keeping one in your dresser while you are not home and the other in a closet or where ever you keep it
is not being a responsible firearm owner

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:58 PM

25. "what should happen to me and or my two guns?"

...is your question. Like you and your 2 guns really matter here.

You're not serious, are you?

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:57 PM

23. A Burglar Might Take His Guns Away

If he wants to keep them, perhaps a gun safe would be a reasonable investment.

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Response to AndyTiedye (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:04 PM

31. Perhaps getting rid of them would be a better idea

Why keep old junk you don't use? Since it has no value, & it would be hard to say a gun is a good reminder of someone's father.

have the guts to junk em.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:05 PM

33. That's a terrible thing to say

You're mocking someone's sentimental attachment to something that belonged to his father?

I think I'm going to puke....

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:16 PM

41. I'm not mocking

but people can collect too much junk. These things are not useful to the OP, nor to anyone else.

I'm advising him to let go of them in a responsible way and stop clinging to them like some symbol of "safety."

It's exactly like when I gave away my deluxe hammock. I liked to look at it, but I never ever had the leisure time to lie in it. It was only a symbol of leisure. These guns he has are only a symbol of safety.

As for the sentimentality, he probably has better memory tokens.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:04 PM

32. So if the shooter had bombed those kids instead

Would you be demanding that none of us be allowed to keep fertilizer in our garages?

Have you any idea of what terrifying explosives can be built with ordinary things like styrofoam? Or how they can be larded with nuts and bolts as a heaping helping of shrapnel? How naive are you, not knowing that the internet is filled with plans for weapons that would cause unimaginable carnage?

Can you think about reality for a minute, or is it all about your personal fear of guns?

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:08 PM

37. I have not demanded anything

The guy has a couple of junker guns he has no use for. Just like junker cars, time to let em go....

And he needs to let go of the idea that guns will keep him safe.

Don't worry, y'all who need em for "protection" get to keep your guns no matter how many kids are mowed down. You know that's not going to change, so quit being so defensive.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:22 PM

45. OK let's just say "useless" guns then...

I know people who keep old guns around because it makes them feel safer. What other reason is there for it? They're just so much trash if they are locked away forever.

Just be free of em. Get rid of them in a responsible way so you will never have to worry about them being misused.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #45)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:31 PM

53. Old unused guns have value....

... as pleasing aesthetic objects and as historical relics. Just like old cars that no longer run, or aren't driven so much as displayed and coveted.

Guns also have value as a socially expressive possession that identifies and creates a cohesive group of like-minded people.

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Response to lbrtbell (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:24 PM

47. Sale and distribution of fertilizer has been restricted since the Oklahoma bombing...

...and fertilizer is now chemically "tagged" so its source can be traced after an explosion. These are reasonable and practical measures that HAVE been taken in response to violent acts, and it is even EASIER to take such measures in the case of guns.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:45 PM

10. We have a health care issue. Not a gun problem.

Anyone who has read my posts knows I'm anti-gun. And I hate that stupid phrase about guns and killing.

However, I have learned a great deal lately, regarding emotional trauma, and I am absolutely positive that guns are not the problem. Emotional health IS.

I do not want to make the mistake of focusing on the wrong thing. Talking about guns is the wrong thing.

Having said that, until we have a society of well, conscious, people, guns in the wrong hands can be a big issue.

However, the problem is also that our notion of mental health is about as advanced as our notion of physical health. As in, Dark Ages.

What we have to do right now is begin a new context withing which to discuss what comprises mental health.

I said it in another thread- All of this comes from mistreatment of children.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:01 PM

29. +1,000 to what you said...

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:06 PM

35. Finally, finally, FINALLY!

Somebody gets it.

I've felt so alone up to this point. Thank you for having the good sense to see the real problem at work in all these horrible crimes.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:21 PM

44. Well said.

I'm not sure I agree entirely about it all stemming from the mistreatment of children; that can very well be a big part of it, but I think mental illness is an illness, like diabetes or Crohn's or any other inheritable, genetically-linked disease and like those, they can be maintained and controlled with a combination of medicine and behavior modification (such as CBT).

I can't agree enough that mental illness is not treated well or often enough for too many, and there is still too much stigma attached to having a mental illness - an illness one did not bring upon oneself or cause to happen, but then again, some are quick to shame those with certain physical diseases as well.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:37 PM

55. You don't think they BOTH can be problems?

Why is it either/or?

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:45 PM

11. I have several

inherited weapons as well,including a Winchester 25/20 that they no longer make ammo for that my grandfather had.Collectors item.if i found ammo for it i believe that it would blow up in my face if i tried to fire it.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:48 PM

14. Something should happen.

 


Something should definitely happen.

I am not sure what, and this is a difficult problem.

Since you have done nothing wrong, the effect on you should be minimal.

If not already done, you should be required to register these weapons with some authority, and demonstrate what safety precautions you have in place, and your intended use for these weapons. Since one of them is an assault rifle ( I think ), it could possible be handed over to authorities.


What's more important is what should be done about all future purchases of weapons.

Since so many weapons are already out in the hands of people who should not have them, it will take a long long time to get effective gun control working. But the time lag is no excuse to not start working on the problem right away.

This is a good discussion to have. Thanks for starting it.

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Response to Jonny (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:28 PM

49. Neither of his guns is an assault rifle

Assault rifles are select fire (full auto or semi auto); his is semi-auto only. The assault versions of that rifle is either the M2 or M3 Carbine, and it is illegal to own one without a special permit.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:49 PM

15. Nothing. But some here feel your home should be searched and those guns removed.

 

By force of law against your will.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:01 PM

28. Bullsheeeet

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:49 PM

16. No, that is not an arsenal

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:51 PM

17. We own guns too. We don't think enough of them to post photos on a website, or give money

to a club because we like them so much.

I think people are fools to send money to those clowns. They don't do a damned thing for you. *I edited this sentence because it implied you were a member of the NRA; I meant the "collective you," but it did not read that way.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:53 PM

18. Sentiment surrounds many of my possessions

but if it were necessary to rid myself of them for the common good, so be it.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:54 PM

19. What is the intent of your question? Are you asking what measures an advocate of gun control...

... would take against you and your guns?

I would say that the first steps in creating stronger and more reasonable gun control laws would involve restricting the range of new weapons that could be manufactured and sold and make it harder and less attractive to buy, sell and carry guns. So, I wouldn't foresee stricter gun control affecting you for quite some time.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:54 PM

20. Two great classics...you sir are not the problem.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:54 PM

21. You should register them and submit to a background check, and you should be required

to have stronger containment for them than your drawer and living room. A locking gun cabinet would be a good option. Even police departments lock their guns up, why should a citizen not have to do the same?

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:01 PM

30. There is no registration in Florida, btw. n/t

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:18 PM

42. One reason is...the public has access to a police dept. But they don't have access to my house.

If they break in...well, I need to get the gun out, anyway.

Those gun cabinets don't help anything and are expensive. My brother's gun collection, among other things, was stolen while he was away. He had expensive guns in a safe that sits on teh floor. They took the whole safe! Then he had rifles in a gun cabinet. I guess the key wasn't hidden well enough. Plus...most gun cabinets have glass, I think. Maybe the rifles are locked into their positions inside the cabinet. I don't knkow.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:59 PM

26. Nothing for now

However should you decide to sell, whoever is the next owner should be required to register them.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:00 PM

27. Nothing should happen to you, and the guns should be maintained if you value them.

If you're keeping your father's revolver as a keepsake of him, I suppose it's condition doesn't matter.

If you intend on ever using them though, you may want to have them looked at (assuming you haven't cleaned them in 10 years.) A dirty gun is dangerous, and could fail in unexpected ways.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:06 PM

34. Nothing as long as your nearest and dearest don't think you've gone bonkers.

Then one hopes you sell them, hock them, or whatever.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:07 PM

36. Nothing. nt

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:15 PM

40. Nothing should happen to you. You own a couple of guns that you keep at home.

But...if it were up to me, you wouldn't be able to buy that rifle legally, now. That would be considered an assault rifle, wouldn't it? Its purpose is to kill people, not for hunting or skeet shooting. But for rifles inherited or previously bought, what you own is what you own.

I have a 38 revolver, myself, for protection.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:27 PM

48. Oh, I see. I've had a little lesson on hunting rifles. Can use for rabbits, then. A bit of...

A bit of overkill for a rabbit, I should think. (pun intended)

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:30 PM

52. The M2 and M3 Carbine are assault (select fire) rifles; yours never was

The M1 is semi-auto only and is not considered an assault rifle.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:19 PM

43. LOL...were you expecting something dramatic?

Being a bit of a drama queen, aren't we??

I agree with whoever said you should be required to register the guns. And I might throw in the requirement to show proof of having attended a gun safety course.

I think your access to large amounts of ammunition should be limited and your name and registration as a gun owner should be noted in a national data base that can be cross checked with mental health records.

But you can keep your guns, if you want them.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:28 PM

50. If you never want to use them -and you haven't for at least 10 years-

then file off the trigger mechanism or plug the barrels up with cement. Anything to prevent some crazy nutbag like the guy in Connecticut from stealing your guns and killing someone.

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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:35 PM

54. "What should happen to me and/or these two weapons?" Nothing.. absolutely NOTHING at all!!

You should be aware, though, that your .30 cal carbine can be classified as an "assault weapon" just for the mere fact that it can hold a high capacity magazine.

I have several weapons myself, and so does my son. We have them for 3 reasons: #1- For hunting. We don't shoot anything we don't plan on eating, unless we happen to come upon the occasional copperhead. We limit ourselves to one deer each, and the meat really helps save on grocery bills. #2- We enjoy target shooting on our property, which is 15 acres out in the sticks. We use our .22s or pellet rifles because the ammo is very inexpensive, and it gives us plenty of quality time together. #3- Protection... I live way out in the sticks, in the 4th smallest County in our State. Our whole County is 7 miles wide and about 35 miles long. At any given time, we have 3 sheriffs deputies on patrol. Response time can be anywhere from 20 minutes to over an hour. We have been told by the sheriff, point blank, that we are "basically on your own. You do what you HAVE TO DO to keep yourselves safe until we arrive".

One of my rifles is also classified as an "assault weapon"... but it truly *IS* one. It's a 1958 Romanian Military Issue SKS. I've modified the stock by taking the factory wooden one off and adding a TAPCO Composite stock, with a 20 round magazine. The other thing that makes it an "assault weapon" is that it still has bayonet on it:



What should happen to me and my son, and our weapons?


Ghost

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Response to Ghost in the Machine (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:41 PM

56. If you're asking me....

"What should happen to me and my son, and our weapons?"


Not a god damned thing.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:45 PM

57. Keep them locked up

So no one can get at them, no nut job sons, nephews, or innocent little ones who might accidentally hurt themselves. Behind LOCK AND KEY, in a fucking safe. ANd if anyone accesses those guns to harm someone, you go to jail for a long time.

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Response to A HERETIC I AM (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:48 PM

58. Okie Doke. That'll do. Thanks, folks.

Deleting the OP. Night.

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