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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:08 PM

 

Serious question for gun control advocates - has the Brady Bill helped?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brady_Bill

Yes or No?

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Reply Serious question for gun control advocates - has the Brady Bill helped? (Original post)
banned from Kos Dec 2012 OP
rrneck Dec 2012 #1
msongs Dec 2012 #2
neverforget Dec 2012 #3
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #5
rDigital Dec 2012 #4
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #7
rDigital Dec 2012 #9
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #13
MotherPetrie Dec 2012 #6
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #10
donco Dec 2012 #11
morningfog Dec 2012 #8
leeroysphitz Dec 2012 #12
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #14
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #16
X_Digger Dec 2012 #18
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #21
Agnosticsherbet Dec 2012 #15
X_Digger Dec 2012 #17
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #19
X_Digger Dec 2012 #20
banned from Kos Dec 2012 #22
alcibiades_mystery Dec 2012 #23
ellisonz Dec 2012 #24
Skittles Dec 2012 #25
Glassunion Dec 2012 #26

Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:09 PM

1. Yes. nt

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:09 PM

2. not much, people who own guns are still blasting people left and right nt

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:10 PM

3. What's your opinion?

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Response to neverforget (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:12 PM

5. I honestly don't know.

 

Background checks are more formal now but crime is down while mass shootings continue.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:11 PM

4. No, you have to ban all guns and imprison/deport all NRA members. nt

 

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Response to rDigital (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:13 PM

7. Do you have any serious suggestions?

Although I realize venting is cathartic, what we need are serious, pragmatic, do-able suggestions...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:16 PM

9. I think it would be easy. If they resist... Too bad. nt

 

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Response to rDigital (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:23 PM

13. Did you think this through?

Actual active enforcement would not be something the police could handle. They'd be vastly outnumbered, and all but the SWAT guys would be outgunned. A significant percentage would probably comply with orders to enforce confiscation (cops these days have an incredibly insular, "us vs the rest of the word" culture), but they'd fail. Spectacularly.

Any attempt would thus require military intervention. Leaving aside the obvious violation of posse comitatus, you do realize that the military is markedly conservative and its members overwhelmingly support civilian ownership of firearms, right? It doesn't possess that insular cop culture (that's strongly discouraged, in fact...as it tends to lead to military juntas). There is virtually zero chance that orders to actively enforce confiscation of civilian firearms would be more than sporadically obeyed.

Like I said...we need serious, practical suggestions...

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:13 PM

6. Any post addressed tp gun control advocates that begins with "Serious question"

 

Is not a serious question. It is bait - stinky bait.

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:16 PM

10. I am only fishing for knowledgeable responses - because like I said

 

I DON'T KNOW!

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Response to MotherPetrie (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:17 PM

11. How would you

have worded the OP?

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:14 PM

8. Yes. We need more.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:17 PM

12. Any control is better than no control. n/t

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:08 PM

14. Minimal, It has limited scope and has been weakened in the courts.

Typical for such legislation, it is a good idea mucked up by the pols who among other things specifically blocked its use for private transactions.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:14 PM

16. Thanks. But I thought all gun sales were retail "private" sales?

 

That is another thorny side issue.

I can buy a gun from any individual without a background check.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:20 PM

18. Depends on the state.

Sales between state residents are intra-state commerce (as opposed to inter-state). But a few states have placed limits on such person-to-person sales, requiring a background check and/or registration.

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:19 PM

21. No

Dealer sales require NCIS check or equivalent, which includes transactions that cross state lines. Waiting periods also vary by state. IIRC in some states a CCW waives the background check and the waiting period. The dealer just checks that the CCW is still valid.

Private party sales within a state may not require a background check depending on the state. If the state (like CA) requires a background check, it must go through a dealer.

Currently private sellers cannot perform background checks, something I think should change.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:13 PM

15. Serious answer, research shows that gun control saves lives...

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2012/12/what-research-can-tell-us-about-newtown-shootings/60022/
The assault weapons ban passed in 1994 expired. The Brady bill that authorizes background checks is still in effect.

We need serioius regulation of gun sales and owner ship. An unregulated militia just murders children.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:19 PM

17. Parts of it helped, parts were useless..

The waiting period for handguns did nothing to deter crime or suicide, and may have contributed to harm to those in actual danger.

The background check has turned away some criminals, but there's no way to know how many of those turned down went on to acquire a firearm through other means. According to the DOJ, the main source of guns is friends/family and 'illegal sources' (totalling 80% between those two sources).

In that way, I'm sure it did help somewhat.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:59 PM

19. Thanks. I don't see any upside on more gun control.

 

Tighten up the Brady Bill on background checks? Sure. Do it.;

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Response to banned from Kos (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:03 PM

20. One big glaring hole that needs to be plugged is mental health records in NICS.

Some states have ZERO records in NICS for mental health committments. *sigh*

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:20 AM

22. I agree. But mass shootings will not end in full.

 

There is no way to end gun violence fully.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:22 AM

23. Obviously not...we need far, far, far more restrictive gun laws at the federal level

Europe-level restrictions.

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:26 AM

24. Yes, we need more legislation like the Brady Bill.

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Response to banned from Kos (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:38 AM

26. Yes. And I'll explain.

The have been denials via NICS (current name of Brady Background Check System). From those denials, criminals have been arrested.

However, I feel that there should be more funding to aggressively go after those who try to violate the system.

From 2000 to 2008 some relatively gun friendly states have made a huge chunk of arrests directly stemming from the attempt of an illegal purchase stemming from a background check.

Virginia 6,661
Pennsylvania 2,524
Colorado 1,826
Oregon 1,048

However there are a lot of holes that still need to be plugged up. PA for example checks their purchases using their own system called PICS, it is a mash up of the NICS and the state's own system. The problem is that PA does not share its state info with the NICS system. So if you have a mental illness in PA, the state of PA will deny you from purchasing. However if you move out of the state, you could buy one, because PA did not share your mental health history with the national system that all of the states use.

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