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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:07 PM

The shooter's mother was armed to the teeth

How come her guns didn't prevent this massacre?

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Reply The shooter's mother was armed to the teeth (Original post)
brentspeak Dec 2012 OP
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #1
CaliforniaPeggy Dec 2012 #2
uppityperson Dec 2012 #3
DemoTex Dec 2012 #4
Kolesar Dec 2012 #13
La Lioness Priyanka Dec 2012 #5
rDigital Dec 2012 #6
baldguy Dec 2012 #10
rDigital Dec 2012 #11
aandegoons Dec 2012 #30
rDigital Dec 2012 #31
aandegoons Dec 2012 #32
rDigital Dec 2012 #33
Hoyt Dec 2012 #17
baldguy Dec 2012 #7
Union Scribe Dec 2012 #8
oldhippie Dec 2012 #9
baldguy Dec 2012 #27
OldDem2012 Dec 2012 #34
brentspeak Dec 2012 #12
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #18
brentspeak Dec 2012 #23
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #26
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #25
JI7 Dec 2012 #28
bklyncowgirl Dec 2012 #14
rrneck Dec 2012 #15
Cerridwen Dec 2012 #16
ProgressiveProfessor Dec 2012 #19
Cerridwen Dec 2012 #24
dionysus Dec 2012 #20
dionysus Dec 2012 #21
upi402 Dec 2012 #22
baldguy Dec 2012 #29

Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:08 PM

1. because they caused them.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:10 PM

2. Because her son murdered her with them. That's why...n/t

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:15 PM

3. Oh, picky picky picky. Indeed. He used them to murder her, then took them and murdered children.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:16 PM

4. What is your point, brentspeak?

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Response to DemoTex (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:35 PM

13. It's gonna be a long night for the gungeoneers...eom

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:17 PM

5. good point

(i am guessing this a retort to "we should all be armed" "teachers should have been armed" etc)

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:18 PM

6. You're not making sense. Do you believe guns are magical talismans? nt

 

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Response to rDigital (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:21 PM

10. That's the point. HAVING A GUN DOESN'T KEEP YOU SAFE OR CONFER ANY SPECIAL PROTECTION ON YOU!

In fact, having a gun makes you LESS SAFE.

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Response to baldguy (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:23 PM

11. I don't think she had them on her though. nt

 

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Response to rDigital (Reply #11)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:49 AM

30. He did and look what happened.

And you sitting right there enabling the next one. Your finger was on that trigger just like it will be on the next...

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #30)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:06 PM

31. Uh huh...sure. nt

 

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Response to rDigital (Reply #31)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 11:41 AM

32. You had your part in this murder.

It maybe small but you still had your part.

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Response to aandegoons (Reply #32)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:14 PM

33. Statements like this are the reason you can't be taken seriously. nt

 

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Response to rDigital (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:46 PM

17. I think kid grew up in gun culture, and look what happened.

Just a few days ago, one of Gungeoneers was talking about how he was going to leave his weapons cache to his kids and grandkids. How friggin nice of him. Hope they grow up and tell him they don't want his damn lethal weapons.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:18 PM

7. If only she had more guns!

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:19 PM

8. So now she's the villain?

I don't like this new angle posters are latching onto. She was a victim today.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:21 PM

9. She was a gun owner ......

A crime waiting to happen, according to many here.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #9)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:38 AM

27. Are you saying the massacre yesterday wasn't a crime?

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #9)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:27 PM

34. Has it actually been proven those guns were hers and not left behind when....

her husband left home prior to their divorce? Has it been proven she bought any of those guns, some of the guns, or any of the guns?

We have a ton of speculation in the press about who owned the guns but like most parts of this story, we have a real shortage of verifiable facts.

To be honest, the only thing we know for sure is that Adam Lanza became a mass murderer using weapons that he took from his mother's house. That's it.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:24 PM

12. Yes, she was a victim

There's no question about that.

My post makes a facetious reference to the circular and cliched illogic that "if only someone had a gun, someone could have stopped the killer". Her weapons, supposedly purchased to protect herself, were all-too easily turned against her and the many other innocent victims.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:10 PM

18. Blame the victim is running rampant on DU today

What we know about seems odd collection for someone who is not a shooting enthusiasm of some sort. Looking for more data to come out on what all she had, how they were stored, and why she had them.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:24 PM

23. Do you deny that the weapons

were not secured enough from a clearly deranged member of the household?

The mother being a victim is incidental. In another reality, she would not have been shot, yet I would have posted the exact same thread. The issue still remains.

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Response to brentspeak (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:13 PM

26. That is not clear at this point...and dog piling the dead is at best unseemly until we know more

That the son was deranged is also premature.

- We know she was the registered owner of the three weapons
- We do not know which ones were used
- We do not know if there were more in the home
- We do not know why she had them
- We do not know how they were stored
- We do not know how the son had access to them

At this point it seems to me to be more productive to mourn the victims while the facts emerge and not knee jerk blame the apparent first victim.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:44 PM

25. If SHE owned the guns and SHE let them fall into the hands of

a person who then murdered with them, she bears some responsibility.

Along with gun rights comes gun responsibility. You keep them LOCKED UP unless you are personally using them.

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Response to Union Scribe (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:39 AM

28. it doesn't have to be one or the other

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:40 PM

14. Perhaps she knew what her son was.

Is it possible that she thought she needed protection against her own child?

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:40 PM

15. She probably bought them for the boys. nt

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:43 PM

16. I wonder why she was "armed to the teeth"? n/t

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Response to Cerridwen (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:13 PM

19. I am too

What we know about so far sounds like ones a shooting enthusiast of some sort would own.

Looking for more data to come out as to what else she might have owned, how they were stored and why she owned them.

As a parent I was amazed at how many of our secrets that our kids knew, including where the copy of the safe combination was stored.

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Response to ProgressiveProfessor (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:28 PM

24. Very little gets past "the children."

I'm surprised more people don't remember their own childhood when they become parents.

There are too many conflicting stories about this horrific event to come to a clear understanding at this point, if ever.

The mother was a teacher; no, a volunteer; no, no one at the school knew her. The shooter was the older brother; no, the younger; he was a good boy; no, he was "socially awkward"; no, he was autistic. And on and on.

Why was she "armed to the teeth"? I wonder if we'll ever know.

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:15 PM

21. have some class now. nt

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Response to brentspeak (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:23 PM

22. From 1995 to 2000 an average of 4 to 5 children died every day in nonhomicide firearm incidents

and it hasn't gotten any better. more guns in the house don't make you safer.

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Response to upi402 (Reply #22)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 06:40 AM

29. More guns in the house makes you & your family less safe.

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