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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:58 PM

New Yorker: We ask babies to have more courage facing guns than politicians facing gun lobby

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http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2012/12/the-newtown-shooting-kindergarteners-and-courage.html


Some of the info is wrong here as to the father being shot, but Amy Davidson asks an important question:

"The contrast here is not only between the civility of the children and the cruelty of the shooter, but between what was asked of them at this moment and how little the public and elected officials ask of themselves when it comes to doing something about gun violence. *snip* How do we find ourselves asking kindergarteners to be more courageous in the face of a gunman than politicians are in the face of the gun lobby?"






From Reuters Michelle McLoughlin




Young Children wait outside Sandy Hook Elementary School after a shooting in Newtown.












Amy Davidson: you hit the nail on the head.










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Reply New Yorker: We ask babies to have more courage facing guns than politicians facing gun lobby (Original post)
Tsiyu Dec 2012 OP
Skittles Dec 2012 #1
bettyellen Dec 2012 #2
Tsiyu Dec 2012 #4
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #7
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #10
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #11
tblue37 Dec 2012 #12
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #15
themandylion Dec 2012 #21
AllyCat Dec 2012 #25
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #29
ananda Dec 2012 #31
Sheldon Cooper Dec 2012 #33
magical thyme Dec 2012 #35
RetroLounge Dec 2012 #14
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #16
RetroLounge Dec 2012 #17
smirkymonkey Dec 2012 #37
UndahCovah Dec 2012 #39
Cerridwen Dec 2012 #18
lsewpershad Dec 2012 #22
DainBramaged Dec 2012 #26
_ed_ Dec 2012 #32
Tsiyu Dec 2012 #36
myrna minx Dec 2012 #3
Iris Dec 2012 #5
riverwalker Dec 2012 #6
Ilsa Dec 2012 #8
horsedoc Dec 2012 #9
DallasNE Dec 2012 #13
Tsiyu Dec 2012 #38
forestpath Dec 2012 #19
themandylion Dec 2012 #20
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #23
fightthegoodfightnow Dec 2012 #24
SunSeeker Dec 2012 #30
Cha Dec 2012 #27
nolabear Dec 2012 #28
Whovian Dec 2012 #34

Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:36 PM

1. but that is natural

the gun lobby represents cowards

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:43 PM

2. selfish cowards and gun manufacturers. good read!

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Response to Skittles (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:53 PM

4. That's my take away

been doing research for a book on dysfunctional "preppers" and arsenal owners.

They are scared chicken littles, petrified of the world, and I'm amazed how honest many of them are in admitting online how often they pee their pants while hunting or out in the woods because they "hear something scary." Honestly, the ones who claim to have the most weapons are the most timid and freaked out by the world.

Yet they have no problem when kindergarten students have to brave their way out of a gunman's sights. All they care about is they might not get to keep their security blankets - also known as arsenals big enough to take down small cities.

They are lily-livered chicken shit scum, and the politicians who fellate them are cowardly PIGS.

Small children are braver than the cowering, simpering NRA-licking politicians, who should all be ashamed to even show their poltroonish faces.











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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:29 PM

7. I would ask you

 

to take back what you said about preppers. The world is a very dangerous, unpredictable place. Have you ever been to a third world country? Well guess what, I have.

Look at all the shit going down all over the world. Do you think America is impervious, protected, magically-untouchable? This country is headed for a fall. In my opinion, the foolish ones are the people who are unable or unwilling to see that, and refuse to make provisions for their safety.

Prepare, then prepare again. Don't stick your head in the sand and pretend that you are somehow going to be protected; protect yourself. I'm not referring to guns in particular, BTW.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:55 PM

10. Stats prove having a gun in the house ain't gonna protect you; it will kill you.

You're 43 times more likely to be killed by your own gun than by an intruder's. You are unlikely to have an intruder. But you are very likely to get drunk, get depressed, get in a fight with someone in your house, or have your kid find your gun. That's how people get killed. Having a gun in the house makes it far more likely that you'll get your own head blown off.

That's why it is so crazy to suggest you should buy a gun for your own protection. I would imagine this woman knew her son had mental issues. Ironically, maybe she thought those guns would protect her from him.

http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/more-guns-more-suicides/

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:07 PM

11. As I said,

 

I'm NOT particularly referring to guns. General prepping for any kind of emergency is a wise choice, not a dysfunctional one. The truth is, this world IS a scary place to live, and a lot of bad shit can happen to a person. You can minimize or avert at least some of it by being prepared.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:12 PM

12. You forgot to say "not." nt

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:19 PM

15. I keep an earthquake kit in my car, house and office.

But an earthquake kit ain't gonna kill me or anyone else. A gun, on the other hand, will make it more likely I or someone close to me will die.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:30 PM

21. Cars kill, too

 

I'm not trying to kill intruders. I'm trying to persuade them to disengage and leave after filling their underwear, when they see and/or hear I am not a helpless victim.

There are thousands upon thousands of instances annually of home invaders leaving in a hurry when a gun is presented against them. No one dies BECAUSE of that firearm.

I'm not about to sit for several minutes "hoping" the police get to me before the home-invading goon makes it to my children or I.

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Response to themandylion (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:46 PM

25. Cars have some useful other function.

And require some actual testing and licensing to drive them. Cars and guns are not even close in argument.

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Response to themandylion (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:30 AM

29. Your kids are 43 times more likely to be killed by your gun than a "home-invading goon."

Did you join DU just to tell us "cars kill too"?

Surgery kills people too, but like cars, the vast majority of the time, except for accidents, it serves its purpose of aiding us in living our lives. Guns are only built to kill. Guns don't help us live our lives. On the contrary, most of the time, a gun kills its owner rather than anyone else.

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Response to themandylion (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:45 AM

31. Cars are designed to roll fast and take you somewhere, not to kill.

Guns are designed for only one thing: to kill.

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Response to themandylion (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:29 AM

33. I love these narratives.

'leave after filling their underwear'. Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds? It's not enough that you have to scare off an intruder, you HAVE to include that you've made him shit his pants. So macho.

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Response to themandylion (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 10:18 AM

35. Welcome to DU.

Enjoy your visit. Keep it short, Mr. Cars Kill People Too.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:14 PM

14. Oh, grow the fuck up



RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:19 PM

16. Whatever

 

I hope you never have to weather any kind of disaster.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:23 PM

17. Fuck you.

_!_

RL

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:23 AM

37. +1000

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Response to RetroLounge (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:01 PM

39. Whats your problem?

 

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:24 PM

18. Do you have the courage of a kindergartener?

I would speculate...no.

I'd also speculate you made a wrong turn.

I'm weird that way.

Yannow, going under cover means not saying so. I'm just sayin'.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:37 PM

22. WTH

are you talking about? Do you which country in the world has killed more people in the world?

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:51 PM

26. Prepare for the Gay takeover, war against the Constitution, invasion of the Liberals?

War on Christmas? FAUX news lies and people die?


What is this prepare you are so enamored with?


Remember, a vote for Romney was a wasted vote.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 08:35 AM

32. "Have you ever been to a third world country? Well guess what, I have."

Wow, you need help.

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Response to UndahCovah (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:20 AM

36. Guess I should have put "Dyfunctional" in quotes as it was the qualifier

I have no problem with those who prep, but the arguments some of them have over SHTF are absolutely stunning.

If I have to live in a world where I shoot a small child who comes to my door hungry, and live inside a bunker like a dog, and absolutely hate my fellow human beings over "stuff" I think I'd rather "die with the stupid masses" as some preppers might say.


There's a life to live right here and now, and people who need help right here and now, and stickpiling shit just pales in importance to that.

YMMV.




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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:45 PM

3. K&R -

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:54 PM

5. Damn straight.

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:58 PM

6. exactly

How do we find ourselves asking kindergarteners to be more courageous in the face of a gunman than politicians are in the face of the gun lobby?"

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:36 PM

8. Gun nuts afraid of the nonexistent boogeyman cowardly

ask kindergartners to face the real boogeyman.

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:54 PM

9. Nothing but tears today...

Our leaders have failed us time and again.

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:13 PM

13. As A Parent The Last Sentences Really Strike Home

Here is how Amy Davidson concluded her article. It is so moving it needs to be repeated here.

Guns make it easier for a killer. They make it impossibly hard for parents who arrive, dazed and pleading, at the firehouse in Connecticut where the surviving schoolchildren were taken, and donít find the one they were looking for there.


That would be sheer, unimaginable terror.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:26 AM

38. Chilled me to the bone

There wil be arms aching to hold those little ones, aching to tell them how much they love them, and there will be courageous family and friends who must carry on with excrucuiating knowledge of the terror in those childrens' last moments.

But that's a worthy sacrifice the gun lobby doesn't have to make, nor the politicians who quake and quiver at their feet.

They want the babies and their families to be the brave ones.





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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:25 PM

19. She sure did.

 

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Response to themandylion (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:41 PM

23. No One Wants Your Guns in Our Schools







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Response to themandylion (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:42 PM

24. Is Living without Fear of Gun Violence Also a Freaking Civil Right?

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Response to themandylion (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:44 AM

30. Oy. Again with the "20 kids were stabbed in China"!

It takes a helluva lot longer to chase someone down and stab them to death than to shoot them. If that mentally ill nutbag in China had a gun or assault rifle, many more...probably many dozens...of kids would have been killed in the China incident--like that gun nut in Norway who mowed down 77 kids with his assault rifle.

My family were victims of both Stalin and Hitler as well. A gun did not protect my family and it would not have protected your family from Hitler and Stalin's bombs and tanks.

Take your bullshit somewhere else.

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:54 PM

27. That is the way to state it..

What a compelling pic that is..

Thank you Tsiyu

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 12:00 AM

28. That's the shit right there. I wish I'd written it. You can be sure I'll share.

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Response to Tsiyu (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 09:34 AM

34. K&R. Clear and to the point. n/t

 

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