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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:17 PM

Adam Lanza's guns were legally purchased. One more strike against the argument

used by gun fans that the "law abiding" people who would legally purchase a gun would never misuse them in a murder -- that only "criminals" murder, and criminals always get their guns on the black market.

Unfortunately, even legally purchased guns can get in the hands of crazy 20 year olds.

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Reply Adam Lanza's guns were legally purchased. One more strike against the argument (Original post)
pnwmom Dec 2012 OP
tridim Dec 2012 #1
malaise Dec 2012 #4
nolabear Dec 2012 #2
bluestate10 Dec 2012 #27
Barack_America Dec 2012 #40
bunnies Dec 2012 #3
frazzled Dec 2012 #8
bunnies Dec 2012 #12
sammytko Dec 2012 #24
bunnies Dec 2012 #28
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #29
bunnies Dec 2012 #32
muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #33
CreekDog Dec 2012 #36
marions ghost Dec 2012 #9
bunnies Dec 2012 #13
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #21
bunnies Dec 2012 #23
Barack_America Dec 2012 #41
FarPoint Dec 2012 #5
elleng Dec 2012 #6
bunnies Dec 2012 #16
elleng Dec 2012 #22
Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #7
elehhhhna Dec 2012 #10
kath Dec 2012 #26
ellisonz Dec 2012 #11
JI7 Dec 2012 #14
ellisonz Dec 2012 #20
bunnies Dec 2012 #15
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #19
Marengo Dec 2012 #42
DanTex Dec 2012 #46
Marengo Dec 2012 #47
morningfog Dec 2012 #17
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #18
ananda Dec 2012 #25
Toronto Dec 2012 #30
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #31
Cleita Dec 2012 #35
Cleita Dec 2012 #34
hemightbemike Dec 2012 #37
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #38
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #39
Cleita Dec 2012 #43
PoliticAverse Dec 2012 #44
Cleita Dec 2012 #45

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:18 PM

1. Under his mother's name.

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Response to tridim (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:19 PM

4. Who would have 'thunk' it

Ah well!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:19 PM

2. Ironically, they were legally purchased by his mother.

Ach, what a mess.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:45 PM

27. One issue that I am interested in is why his mother felt she needed two guns.

She lived in an upscale, quiet town that had no crime. Was domestic abuse and her being fearful at the root of her purchases? Was she a wingnut that had a negative view of society? Her history now becomes interesting, IMO.

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Response to bluestate10 (Reply #27)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:54 AM

40. 5 guns.

2 handguns, 2 hunting rifles and the semi-automatic rifle used to kill all the children.

No?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:19 PM

3. by his mother.

If you cant lock up your fucking gun, you shouldnt be allowed to own one.

adding: Is a goddamned lock & key too much to fucking ask?

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Response to bunnies (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:21 PM

8. And she's dead

So we can't even question her as to why she did not secure them. She was a teacher: you'd think she'd have had better sense.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:24 PM

12. Exactly.

It sickens me to think a friggin safe or gun cabinet could have prevented this entire tragic thing. So much for her readily available guns being used for self defense eh?

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Response to frazzled (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:41 PM

24. She probably bought them in her name, but for him, so locking them up

Was probably not an option. Most likely not at her house.

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Response to sammytko (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:47 PM

28. He lived with her.

Lock the damn things up. Goddam it!

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Response to bunnies (Reply #28)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:54 PM

29. Maybe she allowed him access to where the guns were kept

After all, a common excuse for gun ownership is 'home defense', so you'd expect many people to allow adult members of the family access to the guns for that.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:40 PM

32. Adults with mental disabilities?

Maybe not so much.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:06 PM

33. I haven't heard about 'mental disabilities' till now, though I've read one claim

that his brother said he had a personality disorder; whether that's diagnosed, or just his brother's opinion, I don't know.

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Response to frazzled (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:19 PM

36. because the thought guns make you safer and they don't make you safer

it's amazing how many intelligent people think guns make you safer.

she's one example of one who learned that her guns made her less safe.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:21 PM

9. When this occurs whoever owns the gun

should go to jail. That would help limit access.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:26 PM

13. Couldnt agree more.

You want to own a gun? Make damn sure you know who has access.

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Response to marions ghost (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:37 PM

21. Not just "go to jail". IDENTICAL punishment as the actual perp gets.

This law needs big, sharp teeth.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:40 PM

23. Yep. Time for some frigging accountability

for irresponsible gun owners. Enough of this bullshit already.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #21)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:55 AM

41. Actually, that's kind of exactly what happened.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:20 PM

5. Al Sharpton just announce that the guns

were registered by the now deceased mother.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:20 PM

6. Legally purchased by his mother,

who was apparently shot today by her son. HUGE problem of criminal acts and accidents occurring w 'legally purchased' guns.

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Response to elleng (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:29 PM

16. Killed with her own gun?

Nah. That NEVER happens.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:39 PM

22. Right, 'never happens.'

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:21 PM

7. Don't get started with private sales that happen

every Sunday at churches....

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:22 PM

10. and gun shows

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Response to Harmony Blue (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:44 PM

26. and estate sales

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:24 PM

11. Same thing with the Chardon, Ohio shooting...

And that horrible shooting at the school in Washington...

Fuck the NRA crowd and the horse they rode in on!

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:27 PM

14. which one is the ohio one ?

where the boy was killed by gun his dad shot off by accident ?

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Response to ellisonz (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:28 PM

15. Another shooting that could have been prevented by a simple lock and key.

Cant afford a gun safe? You cant have a gun. PERIOD.

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Response to bunnies (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:34 PM

19. + 1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000

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Response to bunnies (Reply #15)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:59 AM

42. Wouldn't that be a form of economic class discrimination?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #42)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:33 PM

46. No. You already can't have a gun if you can't afford a gun.

Stuff costs money. If you really want a gun, save up enough for a gun safe.

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Response to DanTex (Reply #46)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 02:39 PM

47. Would you support a federal subsidy for assisting the poor in purchasing a safe?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:30 PM

17. A sad recommend. Have we, as a society, had enough yet?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:33 PM

18. We need laws that require owners to properly secure all guns when not in use,

and give these laws very big, very sharp teeth: if your unsecured gun is used to harm anyone, YOU will be subject to the same prosecution as the actual perpetrator. Such a law might well have put the mom's guns out of reach of the son.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:42 PM

25. What would a mom kindergarten teacher want with those kinds of guns?

That whole family must have been royally dysfunctional!

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:02 PM

30. Why does anybody not in law enforcement need a gun?

 

Being from Canada where handguns are illegal, I find it incredible that so many people stateside feel the need to own a weapon. I don't believe people are safer with guns in their homes. How do you think most criminals get their guns - by breaking into to the homes of law abiding people and stealing them. By owning handguns people are simply making themselves the target of gun thefts and possible physical harm and are also keeping the guns on the streets. As to the right to bear arms, does anyone really believe that the citizens of the US could take down a government they don't like by using handguns? I mean really?

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Response to Toronto (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:04 PM

31. Well said! On this sad day I welcome you to DU.

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Response to Toronto (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:16 PM

35. Exactly, and welcome to DU.

When I was a bartender, I was allowed to have a gun behind the bar, but I didn't. I felt whatever the situation, I would rather used my head to diffuse a situation and it worked for me for the decade I bartended. I was threatened. We were robbed a couple of times at gunpoint, yet no one was ever hurt because I did my best to keep cool in the situation and quite honestly when going over what happened each time, I really wouldn't have been able to use a gun without escalating the situation and putting people in harm's way. It was better not to have one.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:11 PM

34. Years ago Janet Reno and Colin Powell, I believe after the Columbine shooting,

a mass shooting back then anyway, put forth a plan to license the gun owner not the gun. So a licensed gun owner who had passed certain qualifications to own guns, like be over eighteen years of age, not have a criminal past or history of mental illness would be licensed and they could purchase and use any gun they liked. I think it's a good idea, but they were so trashed by the media and the NRA crowd that it was never mentioned again.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #34)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:54 PM

37. You may be surprised

by how many "gun nuts" would agree with doing that. No one, "gun nuts" included, want to see things like this happen. I'm for the second amendment, but days like yesterday, make me absolutely sick.

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Response to hemightbemike (Reply #37)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 11:57 PM

38. Welcome to DU!

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Response to Cleita (Reply #34)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:51 AM

39. And such a thing wouldn't stop a shooter that took their gun(s) from a licensed parent. n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #39)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 12:35 PM

43. No, a person can steal a gun. That will happen, however, it will stop a lot of trafficking of

guns so that they are less available across the board. Maybe it's a bad idea. I don't know, but it doesn't seem any worse than other "solutions" being presented and they are all worth being put on the table. Also, did it occur to you that part of the licensing agreement would be for those parents to secure their firearms in a place that is out of reach of their children, neighbors or visitors all together.

My son-in-law is a gun collector. He keeps his guns in a place that is so safe and secure that it would take dynamite to get access to them if he weren't around. For one thing his gun safe is hidden behind a wall so the casual visitor wouldn't know there was a space between the walls hiding something. He does this because they have grandchildren and he doesn't want them to hurt themselves with carelessly placed firearms.

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Response to Cleita (Reply #43)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:29 PM

44. Kudos to your son-in-law's security measures.

No you didn't mention requiring that firearms be stored securely in the licensing you mentioned so I didn't
realize that was what you were proposing. Do you think such a requirement would have prevented the Newton
incident (if not what would you propose that might have) ?



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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #44)

Sun Dec 16, 2012, 01:32 PM

45. I'm only suggesting what could be included in a license agreement.

Better heads than me need to work up something that can work.

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