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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:24 PM

Semi auto, it wasn't an automatic weapon!!!!

Expect to hear that from our gun fans.

It is true. A semi auto will fire a round every time you pull the trigger

A full auto will keep firing as long as you pull the trigger until you run out of ammo

The former is called accurate fire, because you have far more control over your gun

The latter is called suppressive fire. Keeping control with the recoil is all but easy. And it s otherwise known as spray and pray.

The argument we hear from gun fans is that these are not assault weapons.

Well, the Sturmweber '44 (assault rife) is the grand daddy to the Bushmaster and other riffles derived from the M-16, and the dad to the AK-47. The Germans classified them as assault riffles. They had two modes of fire, semi automatic, like the M-1 Garand, and the revolutionary automatic mode, making it essentially a small machine gun. Soldiers were instructed, like they are today, to keep to semi auto, unless they are in an emergency. This s at the hear of fire discipline.

So now I will get some tell me, you are afraid of how the gun looks! Pure canard, and sorry, but you really do not need anything like this (the Bushmaster is very popular with hunters) to go after deer. If you do, single shot and short magazines should do the job.

So you want to keep your bushmaster, and the rest of the AR -15 family, sure...have them all be single shot. The same goes for the rest of them.

For the record, the Bushmaster is not more scary than the M-1. In fact, the M-1 will have a longer range and penetration power...in a shoot out...well let's put it this way, unfortunately learn how to take cover, because sadly this is not over.

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Reply Semi auto, it wasn't an automatic weapon!!!! (Original post)
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 OP
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #1
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #2
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #6
zappaman Dec 2012 #35
godai Dec 2012 #3
99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #4
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #8
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #10
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #14
Kaleva Dec 2012 #38
99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #46
Kaleva Dec 2012 #47
frostfern Dec 2012 #52
Kaleva Dec 2012 #53
Lizzie Poppet Dec 2012 #5
underpants Dec 2012 #7
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #9
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #16
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #27
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #34
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #40
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #41
HubertHeaver Dec 2012 #43
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #44
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #45
HubertHeaver Dec 2012 #59
underpants Dec 2012 #21
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #26
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #60
dionysus Dec 2012 #11
SidDithers Dec 2012 #12
Codeine Dec 2012 #51
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #13
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #19
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #25
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #28
rhett o rick Dec 2012 #64
Whovian Dec 2012 #15
Robb Dec 2012 #18
dionysus Dec 2012 #20
Robb Dec 2012 #42
dionysus Dec 2012 #50
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #23
dionysus Dec 2012 #29
DevonRex Dec 2012 #36
obamanut2012 Dec 2012 #61
zappaman Dec 2012 #37
rl6214 Dec 2012 #74
sabrina 1 Dec 2012 #73
trof Dec 2012 #17
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #24
former9thward Dec 2012 #22
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #30
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #33
eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #31
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #32
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #48
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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:27 PM

1. I had no idea you knew so much about firearms.

I'm impressed!

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Response to Cooley Hurd (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:31 PM

2. Some of it is from being down range

In shootouts between the Mexican Army and the cartels.

It is a survival skill.

Funny story, line at movie theater at the Last Temptation of Christ. Cops come to do hot stop, and the shotguns come out. I went down, and then proceeded to pull sister and friend behind cover.

Cops later asked how. I told them.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:37 PM

6. Damn Nadine!!!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:23 PM

35. Cool story bro!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:32 PM

3. Whatever..We're going to take them away.

Today IS the day.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:32 PM

4. Actually this distinction between SEMI and FULLY automatic is becoming less & less clear

FYI - Actually, there is NO such thing as a "Semi"-automatic firearm anymore.

Conversion kits are prolific on the interwebs, including
everything from commercially available "Conversion Kits",
to do-it-yourself at-home gerry-rigs, demonstrated on
YouTube. This means that most ANY weapon sold as a
"Semi" automatic, can easily be converted to FULLY-
automatic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021981610

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:40 PM

8. Conversion kits are technically illegal

And in some cases all you need is a file.

I will leave it at that.

But the reason they are becoming meaningless is that a well trained shooter can achieved a fairly high rate of fire even in semi auto, I will add controlled fire.

I would rather be down range of somebody shooting at full auto, not semi.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:45 PM

10. You make an excellent point. Shooters using full auto waste most of their ammunition.

Using semi-auto they take the time to aim.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:48 PM

14. And with forward grips

It's even easier to keep control. Some people got them.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #4)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:25 PM

38. No need to. One can learn to bump fire most any semi-automatic rifle

Here is the technique used on a M-1 Garand

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:18 PM

46. So I rest my case

semi-automatics are equally dangerous, and both should be banned.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #46)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:29 PM

47. I'd agree with you there to some extent.

I'd place a ban on any semi-auto that has a brrel length of less then 20". This would make semi-auto handguns illegal and many of the so-called assault weapons. I'd also place a ban on any semi-auto rifle detachable magazine that could hold more then 5 rounds.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #38)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:13 PM

52. But doing that is pointless except for pure show...

You can't aim at all and the weapon will probably jam. In a shooting spree automatic fire won't help anyone kill more people than they already can with semi-automatic fire.

The only way to limit spree kills is to limit magazine size, but even then spree killers tend to bring multiple pre-loaded weapons with them. Limiting the magazine size to 4 shots for lightweight handguns.

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Response to frostfern (Reply #52)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:21 PM

53. With the lighter rifles with less powerful rounds, one can aim reasonably well.

About as well as if the gun was capable of full auto or burst fire.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:34 PM

5. And apparently it wasn't the rifle at ALL.

The latest reports are that the rifle was found in the murderer's car, and the weapons used were two 9mm handguns (which are indeed semi-automatics). That makes sense, I guess: he was probably not able to conceal the rifle well enough to avoid having someone spot it and call the police before he could get to the classroom he wanted.



http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50137104n

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:40 PM

7. I want to ask a question simply for information and you appear to know what you are talking about

do Semi-Autos fire bursts like three round bursts per squeeze like the M-16 that I was trained on as a Cav Scout?

I really don't know and wanted to find out. Thanks in advance.

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Response to underpants (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:43 PM

9. No, they don't have burst mode

Also the M-16 at one time had the full auto, iirc, but was taken to burst because of the jamming issues with early models. Realize the last time I saw military grade, those were FAL. Fabrique National, that had a knarly tendency to go off if dropped, even with the safety on. They had full auto, burst and single shot on the selector.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:51 PM

16. The jamming issue was so bad that the Viet Cong would strip dead American soldiers of everything

except their M-16's. And soldiers were writing home to get mom and dad to ship them a decent gun. The jamming was due to using an ammo the gun wasnt designed to use. Those responsible for choosing the ammo used were bribed by the ammo manufacturer. A Gen got court marshaled, but no one really paid for those that died using the bad ammo.

Sorry to get wordy but that's a story that will always haunt me.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:08 PM

27. I don't mind learning more of that story

The early M-16 was a disgrace.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:22 PM

34. I read a great article on it in a newspaper called "Shotgun News", many, many years ago.

I have since tried to find the article but havent been able to.

As I remember the Army refused to adopt a gun similar to the AR-15 that was so popular. But when they got enough pressure they developed their own version, the M-16. They changed a lot of the good characteristics with the rationalization that the gun needed to be universal and capable of being used in the Arctic and desert. This was while we were heavily involved in a jungle war. The AR-15 was designed to use a particular manufactures cartridge which pushed the slide (sorry dont know the proper term) back far enough to eject the shell and clear the breach of gases. The competing major cartridge manufacturer bribed the Army into using their cartridge which, turns out, didnt quite push the slide (?) back far enough to clear the breach of gases, which contained powder residue. The residue built up over time and caused jamming. The Army's solution, after soldiers were complaining that their fellow soldiers were being killed because of the guns jamming, was to issue cleaning kits.

I am far from being an expert and the above was from memory of an article I read approx 30 years ago. So take that into consideration re. the accuracy.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:27 PM

40. Sounds like the army

Remember your gear was made by the lowest bidder!

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:34 PM

41. In this case the gear was made by the biggest briber. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #34)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:45 PM

43. I don't remember the article but,

I do remember the jamming problem.

Two major causes of the jamming problem: Too many rounds in the magazine; Fouling in the breech causing the spent brass to either stick in the firing chamber or not clear out quickly enough to prevent the jam.

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Response to HubertHeaver (Reply #43)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:03 PM

44. I hadnt heard about the problem with too many rounds. Thanks for the info. nm

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:04 PM

45. We all are learning something.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #44)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:36 PM

59. I experienced that particular glitch personally.

Fortunately, I was on the firing range. After that I always checked my magazines for "head space" when I picked them up from the gun-room.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:56 PM

21. Okay thanks

I was in 1990-93. Our M-16's had semi and full but we were trained to only go full if basically you were about to die anyway.

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Response to underpants (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:08 PM

26. Like German soldiers in 1944

Their FM will sound very familiar. And I am paraphrasing. "Remain in semi auto to save ammunition, unless in an emergency when you need suppressive fire." That means, take the bastards with you.

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Response to underpants (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:40 PM

60. No, one fire per trigger pull

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:46 PM

11. Sturmgewehr. Sturmweber sounds like an assault grill.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:47 PM

12. An angry grill...nt

Sid

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Response to dionysus (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:05 PM

51. Six burgers per second. nt

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:47 PM

13. I don't give a damn what kind of gun it was. They all need to be HEAVILY regulated.

And those regulations need to be vigorously enforced. If that means we can't afford a waronterra in Afghanistan, or the War on Cannabis at home, more's the better.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:55 PM

19. It's not what they are called

I raise the issue because this is a canard. Time to put a kibush to it. So the M-16 (I am going from memory so forgive me) can fire 600 rounds a minute in full, non accurate fire, or 200 rounds in accurate fire, in the same minute.

Your chances of hitting more people in the very legal semi are better than in the spray and pray fire mode. Though the other one is more impressive. (Realize you will be changing mags like a mother)

Why, if you want to keep your lovely bushmaster, forget how it looks, I want your gun to only be able to do single shot. You go from 200 rounds to 60, and legally not allow any magazines over five rounds, one in the magazine, you just cut that potential further down.

And if you are a hunter...well, people hunted with single shot guns for a long time. Hell, some hunters still do. Funny, the semi auto brigade looks down on them as not real gun owners.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:04 PM

25. My dad's family were all pretty much of the opinion that if you couldn't drop a deer with

a single shot, you weren't a real hunter.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:09 PM

28. And I agree with them

Hell, the M-1 Garand is a better weapon for that due to the round.

I wish I did not know this shit.

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Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:11 PM

64. My father told me the same thing. nm

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:50 PM

15. Gee, I couldn't wait until some gunbanger came along to teach us all about gun tetminoligy and lore.

 

Like that really matters to dead children.

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Response to Whovian (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:52 PM

18. DU has an expert on everything.

Sometimes it's the same person.

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Response to Robb (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:56 PM

20. you were supposed to put quotes around "expert" there buddy...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:36 PM

42. That's it.

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Response to Robb (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:04 PM

50. oh noes.. teh "iggy"...

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Response to Whovian (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:00 PM

23. It matters when you are to disarm the arguments.

And you are calling me a gun nut? Funny, given that I learned all this crap because I was, more than once, in real life shootouts as a medic. I got good enough to identify what I was getting shot at with, important when finding cover.

So exactly do you find objectionable about telling gun nuts that a bushmaster is an assault riffle even when only capable of semi auto fire and that we need an AWB ban, closing the gun show loophole and regulating gun ownership? I just gave you the knowledge for when inevitably you have a real gun nut pull the usual crap....but, but, but it's not an assault weapon cause it's not automatic...well, by the German definition, the people who came up with the first, yes, yes it is.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:12 PM

29. RIFLE. it is spelled RIFLE.. if you want to pretend to be an expert on firearms stop typing "riffle"

for crying out loud, seeing you type "riffle" over and over...

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Response to dionysus (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:24 PM

36. OMG. I can't help it. I have to leave.

Completely, totally, terribly, horribly inappropriate choking noise almost came out.

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Response to DevonRex (Reply #36)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:43 PM

61. .....

I spewed tea all over my shirt.

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Response to dionysus (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:25 PM

37. The key line in this reply is of course

"if you want to pretend to be an expert"

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Response to dionysus (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 21, 2012, 11:05 PM

74. And of course no reply from the OP

 

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Response to Whovian (Reply #15)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:22 AM

73. I think you got this wrong. Nadin is taking apart the arguments of gun nuts.

The idea is to prevent more dead children by getting these dangerous weapons off the streets and out of the hands of homicidal maniacs by not allowing the gun nuts to use words to diminish the threat they represent.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:51 PM

17. True, but

I have a semi-auto .22 with a 10 round magazine.
I can shoot about a round-a-second just by repeatedly pulling the trigger.
You can do a lot of damage in a short time with it.

I use it for plinking and keeping the squirrel herd thinned.
We are overrun with the 'fluffy-tailed rats'.
They're cute until they cause thousands of dollars of damage by chewing the insulation on your house and vehicle wiring. They also love to knaw down roof vent stacks and gutters.

I don't know what the answer is to this ongoing national tragedy.
Even though it doesn't appear that automatic weapons were involved in THIS shooting, a ban on fully automatic weapons would be a good first step.
Just MHO.

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Response to trof (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:04 PM

24. We already have a ban on fully auto

Going back to the 1930s.

I think part of the answer is actually caliber and pen values. Yes, your 22 can do a lot of damage, even kill. Trust me, I resect a lowly .25 handgun...but some of it might have to be caliber. Others, some times of weapons .223 in semi auto, we have used it in single shot too, perhaps don't belong.

The OP was far more of educational, since a lot of people have no idea.

I am also in favor of licensing all and every gun owner.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:58 PM

22. The Bushmaster was found in his car.

Two handguns by his body. So it is not likely he used the rifle unless you think he fired the rifle and then took it outside and put it in his car and went back with two handguns. http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50137104n

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:15 PM

30. I'm for magazine caps.

Only ten rounds between reloads. You can put collapsible stocks, pistol grips and racing stripes on your gun, and I don't care, as long as it only fires ten shots before you have to stop and reload.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:18 PM

33. That would be a good solution

Except for the grip, it makes the shooter that much more accurate.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:16 PM

31. So, the argument will be that they were killed with a LESS capable weapon, so that implies ...

there's no need to regulate the MORE capable ones ? Or is it the other way around ? It seems to me that either argument is used according to the circumstances. I'm not sure there's any point in tackling the kneejerk gun defenders' "logic". They use logic if it fits and fearmongering if it doesn't.

If the facts aren't on your side, argue the law.
If the law's not on your side, argue the facts.
If neither is on your side, pound the table a lot.

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Response to eppur_se_muova (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:17 PM

32. They are always funny

But in my mind a semi auto, while under current legal definitions, is not an assault weapon, given the potential rate of fire...it is.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:43 PM

48. I don't even like the term "assault weapon"

It's so ambiguous that any discussion turns into an argument over the definition, and the term itself is very politicized.

Which is why I'm inclined to ignore such designations myself, and simply concentrate on concrete traits in firearms that are most strongly correlated with their lethality. In my view, rate of fire is the top trait, which is why the military likes full-auto weapons, but governments usually tell civilians they can't have one.

And that's why I think we should focus on magazine caps. I don't care if your gun looks like Grandpa's duck gun, or like a baby-killing sci-fi black death rifle. I'm interested in how much lead it can send flying out its barrel. Cap the magazine capacity at ten rounds, force more reloading, you significantly slow things down.

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 07:51 PM

49. The term is not ambiguous at all if you know the history

Why the NRA has gone out of it's way to muddle it.

Simple easy and not hard to comprehend. "An assault weapon is a small arms infantry rifle with a high rate of fire capable of firing at mid range."

Tricky part, infantry.

Oh and I agree, I don't care how they look. I would add SINGLE SHOT...semi automatics are very accurate...full auto are not accurate.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:09 PM

54. It is ambiguous though

you gave the standard definition -- which is fine in conversation or most of the English speaking world.

However, when talking about "assault weapons" in the US in regards to politics it does have a specific meaning -- those weapons banned by the 1993 "Assault Weapons Ban".

On that basis, renewing the AWB is pointless. I would support effective legislation (eliminating no background check sales, eliminating semi-auto pistols, etc.), but people who advocate for a renewal of the AWB are hurting their cause and their party because they are advocating for a meaningless policy.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #54)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:14 PM

55. Of course since the bodies keep piling up

And things are just dandy right now.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #55)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:29 PM

57. I've got an idea

lets ban all doctors from hospitals -- since 100% of dead patients were under their care.

If your going to propose a ban or other regulation, propose one that would have an effect. I would possibly support a ban on all weapons -- but would oppose re-instituting the AWB. The first one might actually be effective, the second will accomplish nothing but cost us elections.

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Response to Sgent (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:31 PM

58. Because we will have to deal with now monthly mass shootings

Yay!!!!

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Response to backscatter712 (Reply #48)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 09:19 PM

63. So my 1866 Henry rifle repo is a "assault riffle"

Because it holds 15 rounds?

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #63)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:29 PM

65. It is essentially similar to the 1862-65 models used in the Civil War -- so I guess yes.

Although perhaps the term, translated from the German Stoßtrupp had not come into use yet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_troops

The earlier term was the forlorn hope, which more accurately describes the sacrificial nature of the first wave of attacking soldiers. It seems to have been in use in the War of 1812 and possibly in the Civil War as well.

So your Henry may really be a "forlorn hope rifle".

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:27 PM

39. You are a marvel

Is there nothing you have not done or do not know on this Earth?
Can't wait to see you proclaim to have been an astronaut and lecture us on Astronomy.

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Response to zappaman (Reply #39)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 08:45 PM

62. omg

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:19 PM

56. great point... how many people would be alive

If single shots were mandatory.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:31 PM

66. I don't even understand all this. Are semi-automatics used for hunting? That seems to be

the test used by some.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #66)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:47 PM

67. Quite often, yes.

There are semi-auto rifles that have wood and "blued" finishes like this one:

http://remington.com/products/firearms/centerfire/model-750/model-750-woodsmaster.aspx


It fires as fast as you can pull the trigger, with either a 4 or 10 round magazine.

There are also more modern semi-automatic rifles:

http://remington.com/product-families/firearms/centerfire-families/autoloading-model-r-25.aspx


It fires as fast as you can pull the trigger, but has more magazine sizes. It also has finishes that are more resistant to scratching / denting, is more ergonomic, and is easier to repair and/or maintain.

Same calibers, generally, same stopping power.

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Response to X_Digger (Reply #67)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:54 PM

69. Damn. It'll be pert near impossible to severely restrict or ban guns used often in hunting.nt

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #69)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:04 AM

71. Agreed. It's an uphill climb made harder because..

Those modern looking rifles are supplanting older wood and blued rifles.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #66)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:58 PM

70. Yes, what do you think the Bushmaster is?

It also spits out .223 ammo, otherwise known as standard NATO 5.56

It has the same range and muzzle velocity as a round leaving an M-16.

Some specialized rounds are not available in the civilian market. (See tracers for example) and the selector switch lacks auto and burst mode.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #70)

Tue Dec 18, 2012, 12:12 AM

72. Umm.. tracers? Are available in the civilian market.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Original post)

Mon Dec 17, 2012, 11:53 PM

68. Well, a Bushmaster is an assault weapon if it has a bayonet lug or collapseable stock

and it's not if it doesn't.

That's not really something people can argue about; that's just what the law said.

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