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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:18 PM

The first responders and EMTs are going to have an extremely tough time getting past this.

I have witnessed the victims of gunshot wounds delivered by high-powered weapons, and I consider myself to be a fairly stable individual. But if I had ever been called on to walk into a kindergarten classroom and collect the bodies of five year olds who had been murdered by a bullet to the head, I fear that I would retreat to my bedroom and assume the fetal position for a long, long, time.
While keeping the victims and their families in your thoughts, please spare a moment for those who have to deal with the aftermath.

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Reply The first responders and EMTs are going to have an extremely tough time getting past this. (Original post)
11 Bravo Dec 2012 OP
Marrah_G Dec 2012 #1
Cooley Hurd Dec 2012 #2
Tsiyu Dec 2012 #3
Wait Wut Dec 2012 #4
Rocky888 Dec 2012 #5
ananda Dec 2012 #7
DonRedwood Dec 2012 #14
haele Dec 2012 #9
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #6
DonRedwood Dec 2012 #15
DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #18
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #19
tblue Dec 2012 #8
AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #10
freshwest Dec 2012 #11
bakpakr Dec 2012 #12
DonRedwood Dec 2012 #17
nadinbrzezinski Dec 2012 #13
ellisonz Dec 2012 #16
usmc03 Dec 2012 #20
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #21
niyad Dec 2012 #23
usmc03 Dec 2012 #24
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Barack_America Dec 2012 #25
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #28
niyad Dec 2012 #22
Tsiyu Dec 2012 #26
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #27
OneGrassRoot Dec 2012 #29
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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:19 PM

1. I can't imagine that any of them will be okay after this.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:21 PM

2. Very true 11B...

Recommended for the First Responders...

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:21 PM

3. Worked in ER's for nearly a decade

saw lots of gunshots and death, but there's no way I could manage taking those lifeless little bodies out of that school.

The responders will need grief counseling as well.

This senseless violence is like a stone thrown in a still pond - waves now touch all of us- or should.





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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:25 PM

4. Geez.

I hadn't even thought of that. I couldn't do it. Not a chance.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:29 PM

5. My firefighter husband says,

You can never get the image of a dead or severely injured child of violence out of your head. You can never wrap your head around a senseless act of this magnitude.

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Response to Rocky888 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:31 PM

7. That is so true, even secondhand.

I remember subbing with wheelchair kids, and one of them was there because his father threw him against a wall when he was an infant. I will never get over that. So I imagine it's ten times worse for the first responders.

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Response to ananda (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:01 PM

14. kids in wheelchairs. (person always comes first :0)

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Response to Rocky888 (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:58 PM

9. No, you never can. That's why I couldn't finish training for EMT.

I can't handle the level of detachment necessary to do that sort of work on a regular basis and still remain emotionally stable.

I have major respect for any first responder, and weep for the EMTs, firefighters, and police that had to enter that school.

Haele

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:29 PM

6. 40+ years later...

I'll never get over the mental images of dead and wounded children.

There weren't all that many of them, but they are all with me.

Like you, 11 Bravo, I have seen more than my share of trauma. But I cannot begin to imagine what those responders will have to live with for the rest of their lives.

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:04 PM

15. Hey Bill

I'm sorry for you having to carry that burden.

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Response to DonRedwood (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:45 PM

18. These guys will never get over it.

Just think, some (or most) of them have children of their own.

In my case, I was just a kid, myself.

Sometimes, I can hear them.

I remember hearing kids' screams coming from a burning hooch. My guys had already killed all of the adults we could find and had the kids pulled off to the side when they lit the hooches up. I always hated that part.

Then, I heard some kids who had - evidently - hidden themselves.

I ran in to get them when the thatch roof collapsed. I watched the fire consume the girl and the infant she was hiding. I still wear the scars on my neck from the collapsing roof.

I hear them, too.

You know, the images of dead Vietnamese adults and 'cong have all gone fuzzy. But the few dozen children haunt me in hi-res.

I read your post about your classroom and your vision of protecting your students. I would have loved to had you on my side.

My heroes have always been teachers...
DBH

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Response to DollarBillHines (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:57 PM

19. . . .



I'm so sorry that you must live with those horrific memories. I can't think of 'Nam without a profound sense of sadness for those of my generation who had to live the horror of an unjust war.

LTH

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 05:36 PM

8. The cost is even greater than those precious lives lost.

I'm talking about the lifelong suffering of all the survivors, including the emergency professionals involved as you said, all the law enforcement and medical resources used, cleaning and repairing the facilities at the school, rehiring faculty at the school, funeral costs, doctor bills, families moving away....

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Response to tblue (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:01 PM

10. The fallout from this will be horrendous.

I wouldn't be surprised if they just end up tearing down the school. Like, as soon as the investigation is over.

People were commenting about how calm some of the kids were who talked to the media today. Shock. Pure shock. I worry about them, and I worry about the families of those who were killed.

The ramifications of this will affect this community for years.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:07 PM

11. The public servants who confront this suffer greatly but are of strong moral fiber.

They won't be able to get this washed from their hearts and minds, but most can continue on. We must do better than to keep on this insane path...

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:22 PM

12. Perspective

As someone who in the past had to deal with something similar here is my take.

I had to clear a scene once in the past that included several small children's bodies. The result of a drunk driver.

First thing that goes through your mind is please god don't let them assign me. Even though you know it is your job.

Once your assigned you detach the best way you can because after all you have a job to do and it must be done. That is how you approach it, it is a job, your job, and it must be done.

After the job is completed you now must deal with the emotional aspect of it. That is where the counselors come in, they are a life saver. They will never fully get over it but they will be able to get past it.

I DO NOT envy any of the first responders. In my book each and everyone is a HERO.

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Response to bakpakr (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:05 PM

17. A big hug to you bakpakr

welcome to du, and sorry for that burden you experienced.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:24 PM

13. I still have nightmares

From a five year old who was run over by her dad in a tragic accident with a tractor trailer...been twenty years.

You are very correct.

My youngest shot kid, with a .226, was eight, and that was a mess.

Those people will need some serious decompression therapy.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:05 PM

16. I am a municipal employee...

...we had our city employee appreciation breakfast today. Our police, fire, EMT's and other municipal employees would be heart-wrenched.

Tens of Millions of Americans go to work everyday knowing that they could be faced with something like today.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:04 PM

20. My first deployment

It was a Kuwaiti girl, maybe four or five. An Iraqi Guardsman shoved her into my cover fire.

It's been two decades and it's still right there, just below the surface.

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Response to usmc03 (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:07 PM

21. Thank you for your service, and welcome to DU.

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Response to usmc03 (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:19 PM

23. welcome to DU-- I hope you were able to get whatever help you might have needed?

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Response to niyad (Reply #23)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:01 PM

24. No...

That one, I kept to myself. I didn't want to hear anything that might somehow equivocate it. That one I don't want to be okay with.

I've barely been able to keep my shit together today.

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Response to usmc03 (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:05 PM

25. .



I'm so sorry. I can't imagine your pain.

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Response to usmc03 (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:27 PM

28. ...

Welcome. Stick around.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:19 PM

22. before I read this post, I was reading about the first responders during the waldo canyon fire

and how it is still affecting them (even though, thankfully, only two lives were lost) Cannot begin to imagine what it will be like for the ones on scene today. my heart goes out to the families, friends and loved ones, and all the responders.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:24 PM

26. They are removing the victims now per NBC

I am leaving DU to think of them, and to hope they have the strength now and the help later to deal with this horrific task


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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:26 PM

27. Yes I will. I'll spare many moments for the first responders.

And then I'll work like hell to see that they never have to respond to anything like this again.

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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 10:30 PM

29. Absolutely...



no adequate words



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Response to 11 Bravo (Original post)

Sat Dec 15, 2012, 01:08 AM

30. I cannot even bear the thought of looking at the pictures of these children

can't even begin to process what it would feel like to be a first responder

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