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did you guys SEE this? (Original Post) AsahinaKimi Jan 2012 OP
This is excellent! nt Sarah Ibarruri Jan 2012 #1
Good idea. Kaleko Jan 2012 #2
I wish I could provide a link...but AsahinaKimi Jan 2012 #26
I understand the sentiment... 99Forever Jan 2012 #3
I have mixed feeling about this. I don't think it is right for someone to steal someones work that southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #5
A year? Confusious Jan 2012 #8
I really don't know much about this topic. All I know it isn't fair if an artist produces something southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #9
Speaking as a content producer, I can tell you that the bulk of the "theft" doesn't impact ME... TygrBright Jan 2012 #21
Thank you for your point of view. Many of us didn't know that. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #37
tygr...You wrote an excellent OP on this issue several days ago - in much more detail... truth2power Jan 2012 #39
You're very kind. Here it is: TygrBright Jan 2012 #52
Why would you ask me that? Confusious Jan 2012 #27
No, I don't mean you personally. It was a general question. I meant no offense to you. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #36
As a musician who has dealt with major record labels dogknob Jan 2012 #10
Thank you. I was just going to explain this. Musicians make very little of the money TalkingDog Jan 2012 #12
What can we, as end users do.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #19
Here's what I do-- TygrBright Jan 2012 #23
"Buggy Whip Industry Protection Act". Makes sense to me, even tho' I don't download music etc... truth2power Jan 2012 #40
That's why a lot of artist sell through their own web sites. Buy from them directly. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #24
Go see them when they tour Blecht Jan 2012 #34
I'm in the same mixed feelings boat... 99Forever Jan 2012 #15
Thanks for putting it better than I could. southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #18
I agree so why are we punishing music artists and artors with a boycott ThomThom Jan 2012 #20
Your right. Like the Japanese would say don't touch my rice bowl I worked hard for that and they southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #22
"Albums" are the product of Our Beloved Media Oligarchs TygrBright Jan 2012 #25
Actual people work at those studios. Not all of them are top paid executives Beaverhausen Jan 2012 #41
you make it sound easy to get around the big record labels ThomThom Jan 2012 #44
Not so necessarily true. I purchased a small digital recording device a couple 1monster Jan 2012 #46
it doesn't matter, the fact that this is about a specific issue, non partisan issue JI7 Jan 2012 #14
K&R - sounds good to me. HopeHoops Jan 2012 #4
I think I am supporting this without even trying... hlthe2b Jan 2012 #6
Yeah abelenkpe Jan 2012 #7
well said Beaverhausen Jan 2012 #42
I'm against stealing creative work cayanne Jan 2012 #11
I'd want it stolen from the Corp. who stole it from me. So, frankly, I'm neutral on the subject. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #13
The problem is NOT protecting intellectual property, but the way these bills Remember Me Jan 2012 #30
Do you have a link or reference to where this is from??? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #16
I used google to find it... AsahinaKimi Jan 2012 #45
Black March sounds like a pretty average month in the sadbear household sadbear Jan 2012 #17
I've been doing that since 1995. It hasn't had any effect. joshcryer Jan 2012 #28
Oh, man, I am IN on this. DEFINITELY, ABSOLUTELY. nt Remember Me Jan 2012 #29
I can put it off longer than 4 weeks. progressoid Jan 2012 #31
Yeah so can I. Easy for me to be in on this. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #38
I need a reminder. Hope they keep reposting this. glinda Jan 2012 #32
Does Netflicks count? Neoma Jan 2012 #33
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2012 #35
Excellent idea! The lowest paid employees of entertainment companies will be the ones who suffer Beaverhausen Jan 2012 #43
Um, no books even? mahina Jan 2012 #47
K & R snagglepuss Jan 2012 #48
I like it. I can put off any purchase to make our voices be heard. Major Hogwash Jan 2012 #49
Oh man, I know an awful lot of artists and independent film people, how will this affect them? patrice Jan 2012 #50
Ask them. They'd probably encourage the entire nation to participate. TalkingDog Jan 2012 #53
I guess I will havto to shop for a 3/31 birthday annabanana Jan 2012 #51

AsahinaKimi

(20,776 posts)
26. I wish I could provide a link...but
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 10:48 PM
Jan 2012

Last edited Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:45 PM - Edit history (1)

A friend of mine shared it with me...so I don't know. Sorry! gomen ne.

Kimiko


EDITED: Here is a link I found using Google:

http://black-march.com/

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
3. I understand the sentiment...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:39 PM
Jan 2012

... however, it's just not realistic to think it will happen on any large scale.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
5. I have mixed feeling about this. I don't think it is right for someone to steal someones work that
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:46 PM
Jan 2012

they put alot of money into the project such as their music or their movies. There has to be a happy medium. Maybe after a year then they could let them copy those things. It's just like robbing your purse.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
8. A year?
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:40 PM
Jan 2012

try life of the author + 100 years with current copyright law.

21 years was the maximum copyright when this country started. The founders knew that IP needed to be protected, but that to much impoverishes the commons. The commons is a starving orphan right now.
 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
9. I really don't know much about this topic. All I know it isn't fair if an artist produces something
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:44 PM
Jan 2012

and someone steals his production. Do you feel it is OK? Its no better than someone going to the mall and stealing it in the store.

TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
21. Speaking as a content producer, I can tell you that the bulk of the "theft" doesn't impact ME...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:29 PM
Jan 2012

...it impacts the people who bought the rights to my content from me for peanuts, jacked them into a dozen different bastardized containers and formats, charge wildly inflated prices for them, and then fail to pay me bupkis for the sales because the pitiful "advance on sales" hasn't been made back yet, by their accounting. Which I never get to actually see.

And then when I politely ask for those rights back, after ten years without a single sale, so that I can repackage them myself and put them on a website where I hope they might draw traffic and boost other forms of revenue, I'm told that I can't do so, because one of the formats is still extant in Malaysia or somewhere, and they'd have to charge me vast sums to reclaim those rights to my own work.

So, frankly? Go pirate them, people. They deserved better than they got from the Profit Machine owned by Our Beloved Media Oligarchs.

People who produce creative output want to make a living, sure. But I could have made as much or more by putting those works on a website and politely asking people who respect the work of a living content producer to donate a buck or two to download them.

And, frankly, most people who produce creative output have day jobs when we need them. Making a living from our stories, songs, illustrations, photos, whatever, is important, but so is TOUCHING AN AUDIENCE, and getting touched back. When you sell your children to the Media Oligarchs, you have to be Very Lucky AND Very Good to be among the top one-tenth of one percent who actually acquire an audience who knows who you are and values you.

This isn't about "stealing from artists." It's about the Media Oligarchs suddenly realizing they are obsolete, and wringing their hands and keening about the value of their stock options.

bitterly,
Bright

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
39. tygr...You wrote an excellent OP on this issue several days ago - in much more detail...
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 11:09 AM
Jan 2012

I didn't bookmark it. Could you provide me a link, please? thanks.

TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
52. You're very kind. Here it is:
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 06:53 PM
Jan 2012
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002188837

It's in my journal, so you can always find it by clicking on the little arrow next to my name above the header on a post, and then clicking on the "Journal" option that slides out.

I'm slowly getting used to this newfangled DU3 stuff, myself...

appreciatively,
Bright

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
27. Why would you ask me that?
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:25 AM
Jan 2012

Because I think copyright law is grossly unfair I download everything?

If I like something I pay for it, but I'm not paying for anything unless I get to try it first. I've been burned to many times.

$50 for a game that is crap. $20 dollars for a CD that has one good song.

dogknob

(2,431 posts)
10. As a musician who has dealt with major record labels
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:01 PM
Jan 2012

The money you are referring to is already being stolen from us by the same people who say they want to "protect" us. The majors don't give a hoot about piracy. What they do care about is the reality that the Internet makes it possible for artists to create and distribute their own work without their talentless, cynical, art-hating asses getting a cut*. With something like SOPA in place, all they need to do is start accusing all the indies (who can't afford a legal battle) of violating some copyright somewhere.

They want to turn back the clock to the good 'ol days when they were relevant because there was nowhere else to go.

If you don't believe me, then maybe you will believe Courtney Love: http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/

... or Janis Ian, who hasn't had a hit since 1975 but whose website gets 75,000 hits a week: http://www.janisian.com/reading/fallout.php

* "getting a cut" = getting practically everything.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
12. Thank you. I was just going to explain this. Musicians make very little of the money
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:07 PM
Jan 2012

that's being "stolen" through piracy.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. What can we, as end users do..
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:26 PM
Jan 2012

.. to help make it happen for artists? I'm so damned tired of every game being rigged in favor the already rich and greedy. I'd much rather see what I can afford to spend going to the real talent and not just the parasites that live off of them.

TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
23. Here's what I do--
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:34 PM
Jan 2012

If there is an artist, writer or musician whose work I really love and want to experience as soon as it's available, I check to see if they've got a website. Then I buy it directly through their website, if possible. I bookmark those websites and, if they have that function, sign up on their "what's new" email list.

More and more writers, musicians, etc. are either selling their work directly, or working with indy distributors on the web who treat them fairly. If that's the case, the artist or writer will often have a link to their preferred distributor in their blog or on their website.

This, by the way, scares the living crap out of Our Beloved Media Oligarchs and provides a big chunk of the impetus behind the Buggy Whip Industry Protection Act. Not all of it by any means, and it's not seriously cutting into their profits yet, but it's worrying them. And it's growing.

helpfully,
Bright

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
40. "Buggy Whip Industry Protection Act". Makes sense to me, even tho' I don't download music etc...
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 11:17 AM
Jan 2012

I'm trying to drag myself into the 21st century on that. <sigh>

What you said in your OP the other day should be read by everyone. Gives a whole new perspective.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
24. That's why a lot of artist sell through their own web sites. Buy from them directly.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:46 PM
Jan 2012

Support local musicians, too.

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
34. Go see them when they tour
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:56 AM
Jan 2012

Buy t-shirts directly from them at the shows.
Buy merchandise directly from their web sites.

Cut out the blood-suckers -- deal directly with the artists whenever you can.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. I'm in the same mixed feelings boat...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:13 PM
Jan 2012

.. with you. I understand the need to protect real intellectual property and the interests of those that produce it. But a Draconian approach goes too far the other way. Something balanced that doesn't just "hand over the keys" is more sensible to me.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
20. I agree so why are we punishing music artists and artors with a boycott
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:27 PM
Jan 2012

from what I have heard it is getting really hard to get an album made unless you finance it yourself, new bands can't afford it

but I am totally against downloading and sharing copyrighted material
if you like a band or a movie you should be willing to pay for it and support them

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
22. Your right. Like the Japanese would say don't touch my rice bowl I worked hard for that and they
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:30 PM
Jan 2012

have families to feed.

TygrBright

(20,749 posts)
25. "Albums" are the product of Our Beloved Media Oligarchs
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:52 PM
Jan 2012

A growing number of musicians are not relying on corporate-produced and marketed "albums" anymore. They are recording songs or pieces or groups of songs/pieces, (which, by the way, is no longer that expensive thanks to the increasing availability of reasonably-priced digital recording and production methods,) and marketing them directly on websites, at live performances, on streaming radio channels, etc.

If you want to go the "make a CD" route, it is actually less expensive than it has EVER been to do so. You can rent a well-equipped professional studio for a very modest hourly fee, and chances are you can even access a very nearly professional-quality amateur studio even cheaper. You can learn to manipulate your own digital output and do so for a modest investment (probably shared with buds) in software and playback equipment. Or, you can pay a good fee-for-service producer to work with you, or swap with them, whatever, and get your final digital files produced. Then you can get them transferred to good-quality media for pennies a unit.

If you're deedy that way, you can even create your own disc art and/or cover art with an inexpensive illustrator/photomanipulator software suite, and have that included in the repro package for a few pennies more. Or you can get a creative friend to do so. Or even pay a professional illustrator/photographer. All for way, way, way less than it used to cost the corporate studios per unit.

So, what do you want a corporate studio to do for you? MARKET YOU?!??

Excuse me while I pick myself off the floor from rolling around laughing. Corporate studios do exactly bupkis to market 99.999 percent of newly-signed artists, and bupkis plus a buck-fifty to market artists already under contract.

And then they own the rights to that material and god help the poor schlemiel of an artist who realizes they're being scammed, takes off on their own, and builds a real audience and a real success. They can (if they're lucky) perform their own damn' material live, but they can never re-release it without getting an assload of expensive lawyers involved.

Movies ain't gonna die because people download them without making the studios richer. That's the same garbage we heard when TeeVee was in its infancy. "OMG!!! It's THE END OF THE WORLD FOR THE MOVIES!!!"
Yeah. Right.

It's all about profits for the Media Oligarchs. Save your sympathy for them. The artists are now escaping from their clutches by the hundreds and soon, by the thousands-- finding their audiences, being more creative than ever, and flipping the bird to the Oligarchs.

informatively,
Bright

Beaverhausen

(24,469 posts)
41. Actual people work at those studios. Not all of them are top paid executives
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:13 PM
Jan 2012

I myself work at one of the biggest studios. The people who are punished when profits are lowered due to piracy aren't those who make the most money, but those who make the least.

ThomThom

(1,486 posts)
44. you make it sound easy to get around the big record labels
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:29 PM
Jan 2012

I don't think it is. It still takes cash. If you are just trying to get jobs you don't have cash or time to get people to give of theirs for your future. Things may change in the future but today it takes money to make movies and cd's. Support the artists you like by paying for it. That is my point.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
46. Not so necessarily true. I purchased a small digital recording device a couple
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 02:13 PM
Jan 2012

of years ago because I could not find a karaoke version anywhere of a Broadway tune my son wanted to use for the International Thespian's Society District Evaluations. The music for the songs had to be recorded, he could not take an accopanist.

So I paid $289 plus tax for this little music recorder, recorded my son's accompanist playing the song on piano, and found it much higher quality than I expected.

One could, using this recorder and a room with good acoustics, create a recording of high enough qualaity to sell without shame. If you want fancy editing and other techniques, one can purchase the software to make a computer into a first class mixer/editor. Some of those are available free online.

JI7

(89,235 posts)
14. it doesn't matter, the fact that this is about a specific issue, non partisan issue
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jan 2012

and people are becoming aware even if they are ignorant of politics because they use google helps the cause.

hlthe2b

(102,077 posts)
6. I think I am supporting this without even trying...
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 06:50 PM
Jan 2012

Given I really had no intention of buying or downloading any of the content listed or going to see a movie... Maybe a magazine if I wasn't thinking... So, no sweat. I'm in, regardless.

abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
7. Yeah
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 07:13 PM
Jan 2012

You know what will happen? Studios will push productions, use it as a reason to pay workers less and lay off artists and workers. The execs pushing legislation will still get paid. Personally I think trying to stop pirating (mostly overseas) is never going to work and if studios want to increase profits during a global economic downturn they need only look at the inflated salaries of the execs at the top of the food chain who take much and contribute little.

cayanne

(702 posts)
11. I'm against stealing creative work
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jan 2012

Why is anyone for it? Theft is theft. I won't hold to this boycott because it is ridiculous. You wouldn't want any of your properties (creative or otherwise) stolen from you would you?

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
13. I'd want it stolen from the Corp. who stole it from me. So, frankly, I'm neutral on the subject.
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:09 PM
Jan 2012

Get back to me when the ACTUAL ARTIST make a majority of the profit from their creative work, then we'll discuss.

 

Remember Me

(1,532 posts)
30. The problem is NOT protecting intellectual property, but the way these bills
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 12:41 AM
Jan 2012

went about it would literally shut down the internet. They wanted webmasters to police what was posted on their site. If some came to DU and posted some copyrighted material -- the owner could get DU shut down FIRST, no questions asked. Come to think of it, if I understand enough of the whole Righthaven issue, it would be like that went exactly the other way, but without any court appearances to sort it out first -- just the demand to shut down the whole bleepin' site, and boom! that's it.

We just CANNOT let such a "ham-fisted" approach to the issue destroy the internet.

Here are some links you may find useful:


***** Be a HERO and Help STOP SOPA Now!! I'll tell you How! This Video that Must Be SHARED!

&feature=player_embedded

Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act#Negative_impact_on_DNS.2C_DNSSEC_and_internet_security

SOPA Is Not A Black Or White Issue
http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/digital-marketing/stopping-sopa/

WTF is SOPA ? aka The American Government trying to ruin the
&feature=player_embedded#!

Stop the Great Firewall of America
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/16/opinion/firewall-law-could-infringe-on-free-speech.html?_r=3

SOPA
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/510787-sopa.html

What is SOPA Bill 2012? 7 Things to Know About Controversial Legislation
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/272580/20111225/sopa-bill-2012-things-know-controversial-legislation.htm

Goodbye Godaddy. $6.99 transfer to Namecheap. SOPASucks
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/509367-goodbye-godaddy-6-99-transfer-namecheap-sopasucks.html

sadbear

(4,340 posts)
17. Black March sounds like a pretty average month in the sadbear household
Sat Jan 21, 2012, 08:17 PM
Jan 2012

Can I still watch tv and listen to the radio?

Beaverhausen

(24,469 posts)
43. Excellent idea! The lowest paid employees of entertainment companies will be the ones who suffer
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:18 PM
Jan 2012

Don't kid yourself that the executives will feel anything from something like this. If anything, they will cuts jobs, most likely jobs at the lowest paid level.

great idea! not.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
49. I like it. I can put off any purchase to make our voices be heard.
Sun Jan 22, 2012, 03:02 PM
Jan 2012

Besides, we've always got the Assklown Parade of Twits Republican campaign to watch to keep us entertained.

We are the 99%, so this shouldn't be so hard for us to do.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
53. Ask them. They'd probably encourage the entire nation to participate.
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 07:21 AM
Jan 2012

If an independent can't go a month without a set back in income, they have either been incredibly lucky or they don't manage their business well.

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