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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:26 PM

Not to stereotype... but how come we never hear about mass shootings by WOMEN?



It's always a man. (and I am one).


90% of the time he's white.


90% of the time he's under-50.




As a white male in his 40s... I fear people who look like me.

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Reply Not to stereotype... but how come we never hear about mass shootings by WOMEN? (Original post)
scheming daemons Dec 2012 OP
thedanlovingood Dec 2012 #1
aquart Dec 2012 #2
thedanlovingood Dec 2012 #18
aquart Dec 2012 #24
thedanlovingood Dec 2012 #27
Confusious Dec 2012 #3
thedanlovingood Dec 2012 #20
aquart Dec 2012 #25
thedanlovingood Dec 2012 #37
roguevalley Dec 2012 #48
Lionessa Dec 2012 #4
kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #5
Faux pas Dec 2012 #6
LisaL Dec 2012 #7
RebelOne Dec 2012 #10
LisaL Dec 2012 #11
Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #12
LisaL Dec 2012 #16
opiate69 Dec 2012 #19
thedanlovingood Dec 2012 #40
RebelOne Dec 2012 #8
LisaL Dec 2012 #9
aquart Dec 2012 #26
antigone382 Dec 2012 #13
rrneck Dec 2012 #14
Tom Ripley Dec 2012 #42
cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #15
LisaL Dec 2012 #17
cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #22
LisaL Dec 2012 #31
cthulu2016 Dec 2012 #34
anneboleyn Dec 2012 #33
Corgigal Dec 2012 #21
kaiden Dec 2012 #23
datasuspect Dec 2012 #28
unreadierLizard Dec 2012 #29
roguevalley Dec 2012 #49
Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #30
NNN0LHI Dec 2012 #32
CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #35
LynneSin Dec 2012 #36
TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #38
unreadierLizard Dec 2012 #39
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #44
unreadierLizard Dec 2012 #47
Tom Ripley Dec 2012 #41
Zoeisright Dec 2012 #43
cabot Dec 2012 #45
cabot Dec 2012 #46

Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:32 PM

1. It's a male thing..

The GI Jane thing is a myth. Unfortunately, this degree of insanity is a twist of the male brain. I am a male aged 55, former gun owner who was a federal firearms licensee and one who built and sold the type of gun used in the Connecticut massacre today. After Columbine, I self-terminated my federal license and sold all of my guns and became an activist for gun control. If I could change my extremely pro-NRA stance, anyone can, I promise.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:32 PM

2. It's a sex-linked crime.

Men should be banned from gun ownership. Unless someone can tell me with certainty who will NOT open fire.

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Response to aquart (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:04 PM

18. I disagree!

It's not a sex-related crime. It is gender influenced, but most importantly, it's a human trait called insanity. We must renew the Assault Weapons Ban that was a rider on the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, but make it much more broad and much more toothy than the original assault weapons ban. If you know anything the specifics of that---I do ---- that ban was a stylist ban on certain 'ugly badass modifications' of military long guns such as flash suppressors, mods of triggers for rapid fire, folding stocks, magazines in excess of 30 rounds. Get my drift? That ban sunset in 2004.

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Response to thedanlovingood (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:13 PM

24. Really. So how many women have committed gun massacres?

I'll wait while you gather your figures.

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Response to aquart (Reply #24)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:25 PM

27. Your unintelligent statement bears no response

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Response to Confusious (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:07 PM

20. EXACTLY!

Women prefer poisons and paid for murders (assassinations) over messy things. But when they are messy, they are torturing heinous, and violent and sickos. Murder is a human thing, not a gender thing!

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Response to thedanlovingood (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:19 PM

25. GUN MASSACRE is a sex-linked crime.

We are discussing GUN MASSACRE not murder. Desperately running to all murders to disperse culpability is pathetic.

HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE COMMITTED GUN MASSACRES? Gun massacre is a sex-linked crime.

Or do you want to ban poison to prevent gun massacre which would be a normal piece of Republican legislation.

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Response to aquart (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:38 PM

37. Female Mass Murders

Female Mass Murderers have been rare in the US 1 out if the last 63, but they do occur. Testosterone + insanity are the drivers. But without testosterone, heterosexual women would go sexually unsatisfied and the human species would go extinct. The the likelihood of banning men from owing guns is about as likely or less than taking the right to vote from women. So, this point of yours is moot.... pointless.


http://hunteremkay.com/2011/11/famous-women-mass-murderers-in-recent-history/

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/female_mass_murderer/5.html

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Response to thedanlovingood (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:17 PM

48. the original point was GUN massacres. There is no argument that women

murder but in mass, with guns? Where is the evidence? This could be an important part of the puzzle.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:51 PM

4. I think women are more likely to turn that level of anger inward,

 

whereas men look to blame and take it out on others. Which is exactly what all the media condition us for. Whether it be movies or tv or games or whatever, boys/men are shown in their "model" behavior to be heartless killers when they are angry. Even the "good" guys become heartless killers when going after the "bad" guys. Women not so much.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:53 PM

5. Testosterone poisoning.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:54 PM

6. As a woman raised in a violent

chaotic household filled with guns, guns scare me and I think it would be too easy to use one. Nothing is up close or personal about them.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:54 PM

7. Not exactly true.

There are some women mass shooters.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:56 PM

10. Name some cases. I am curious. n/t

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:57 PM

11. Most recent case that I know of.

"Feb. 12, 2010: During a meeting on campus, Amy Bishop, a biology professor, began shot her colleagues, killing three and wounding three others in Huntsville, Ala."
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/mass-shootings-us/nTW2N/

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:00 PM

12. Luarie Dann was a local case

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #10)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:03 PM

16. Another case.

"At gunpoint, San Marco took an employee's badge, according to early news reports. The 44-year-old then shot two people in the parking lot before entering the building to shoot four more before she turned the gun on herself, taking her own life. Five died at the location from their wounds and the sixth person died two days later in the hospital. Since San Marco had left behind no suicide note, her motives remain in question."
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/female_mass_murderer/1.html

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:54 PM

8. I had been thinking the same thing.

All these mass shootings are by men.

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Response to RebelOne (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:55 PM

9. Not all.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:21 PM

26. I'm impressed by your research. The male/female gun massacre ratio would be?

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:01 PM

13. Gloria Steinem wrote a fascinating piece on this very observation called "Supremacy Crimes"

You can read it here: http://www.peaceworkmagazine.org/pwork/0106/010618.htm

I'd post an excerpt here, but you really have to read the whole thing; every paragraph is good and essential. Plus, even though the whole article is about discussing the "sociological" reasons for these crimes, I don't want to battle the cries of "misandry" for broaching even the most subtle hint that, somehow, we *might be* socializing white straight males to assume their superiority in a way that predicates these kinds of attacks. The lone crazed individual is an interpretation of such events that we are much more comfortable with.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:01 PM

14. Boys act out. Girls act in. nt

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Response to rrneck (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:51 PM

42. Agree (n/t)

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:02 PM

15. Some very prolific serial killers have been women, but they poison the sick

The shooting thing is more a guy thing

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #15)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:03 PM

17. There are a number of cases where women were mass shooters.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:08 PM

22. There is a number of most things

The fact remains that mass shooting by women are comparatively rare.

So many DU disagreements are over the selective dismissal of important words like most, average, typically, etc..

You are replying to the statement that mass-shooting are more of a guy thing... a statement I cannot imagine you disagree with.

Of course they are much more of a guy thing.

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Response to cthulu2016 (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:32 PM

31. The OP says NEVER.

Which is blatantly false.

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Response to LisaL (Reply #31)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:34 PM

34. And you were replying to me... and I'm not the OP

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Response to LisaL (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:33 PM

33. Cite some of the "number" of cases involving women mass shooters please? I know of one

in which a faculty member up for tenure review shot several of her academic colleagues. But random, mass shootings?

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:08 PM

21. its happened

Brenda Ann Spencer (born April 3, 1962) is a convicted American murderer who, at the age of 16, carried out a shooting spree from her home in San Diego, California, on January 29, 1979. During the shooting spree, she killed two people and injured nine others at Cleveland Elementary School, which was located across the street from her home. Spencer showed no remorse for her crime, and her full explanation for her actions was "I don't like Mondays

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Ann_Spencer

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:12 PM

23. You don't see women starring in "Jackass" type movies, either.

Frankly, I'm always stunned there are adult males.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:27 PM

28. it's because all men are evil rapist misogynist mass murderers

 

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:29 PM

29. I was waiting for the "the shooter was a man"

"thus all men must feel guilty" thread.

Never disappoint with your blind hatred, DU.

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Response to unreadierLizard (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:18 PM

49. given the rape shit over the past year, I think giving us a moment is the least men can do

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:31 PM

30. It does happen

There was one when I was young - in the NE a mall shooting. Shooter was a woman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sylvia_Seegrist

Schizophrenic like Loughner.

Here's another case:
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/female_mass_murderer/1.html

So yeah, you are stereotyping.

It is more often men but women are not immune.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:33 PM

32. When they do they don't get any media coverage

Had a woman shoot up a K-Mart near here in St. John, Indiana a few years ago. It was pretty much only covered locally for a very short period. Then it was dropped.

If I lived somewhere else I wouldn't have even heard about it.

I bet most people here never heard about it. And I posted about it here in real time.

So I don't know about that theory of yours.

Don

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:36 PM

35. considering how often these assholes have mothers from hell I do not think either

gender has any real points of superiority in human behavior.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:38 PM

36. I was just going to reply how most of the shooters seem to be White too

just saying!

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:39 PM

38. Young men do not sometimes get the emotional support they need

and are not shown healthy methods to cope with the ups and downs of life. They have poor role models, may not have present fathers, are surrounded by violent imagery, abuse substances, are increasingly disconnected and isolated, relate to world instead through electronics, are afraid of being labeled as effeminate or gay, are taught to think that guns are cool, and depression and mental illness are stigmatized.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:39 PM

39. Just to also point out

There must be 100+ million males in the United States of America, and there've been, what, less then a thousand events like this?

So that's...half of one percent of men are mass shooters?

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Response to unreadierLizard (Reply #39)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:55 PM

44. Oh, gee.

JUST 1,000 events.

Gee, there must not be a problem at all! Well, never mind then.

What a fucking moronic post.

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Response to Zoeisright (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:05 PM

47. Get a fucking clue.

There IS a serious problem, but it isn't gender crime here.

Every one of these incidents are serious and deserve full attention.

Don't twist my fucking posts to fit your bullshit narrative.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:50 PM

41. Women generally murder for financial gain or to remove "inconveniences" (children, spouses,...

romantic rivals)
Even batshit crazy Aileen Wuornos robbed all of her victims.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:54 PM

43. Very inadequate men.

In the lower regions, I mean.

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Response to scheming daemons (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:59 PM

45. The only two women I can think of are

Brenda Spencer (the boomtown rats wrote "I don't like Mondays" about her crime) and some woman who shot up a mall in pennsylvania, Sylvia Seegrist.

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