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Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:15 PM

 

Bath Michigan 1927, worst school massacre

and he used explosives not guns. He was a man who wanted revenge and his way only. It seems his way of thinking is growing in America and fueling the violence.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=103186662

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lalalu Dec 2012 OP
TheCowsCameHome Dec 2012 #1
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #7
lalalu Dec 2012 #14
Yo_Mama Dec 2012 #36
Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #71
datasuspect Dec 2012 #16
lalalu Dec 2012 #9
joeybee12 Dec 2012 #28
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #2
lalalu Dec 2012 #12
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #13
lalalu Dec 2012 #17
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #18
lalalu Dec 2012 #23
oldhippie Dec 2012 #24
sufrommich Dec 2012 #3
lalalu Dec 2012 #11
sufrommich Dec 2012 #38
Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #43
datasuspect Dec 2012 #4
Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #5
lalalu Dec 2012 #10
oldhippie Dec 2012 #27
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #44
ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2012 #56
oldhippie Dec 2012 #60
Care Acutely Dec 2012 #6
bobclark86 Dec 2012 #20
joeybee12 Dec 2012 #31
Care Acutely Dec 2012 #61
hrmjustin Dec 2012 #72
wryter2000 Dec 2012 #8
lalalu Dec 2012 #21
wryter2000 Dec 2012 #25
lalalu Dec 2012 #30
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #46
ecstatic Dec 2012 #15
DURHAM D Dec 2012 #19
lalalu Dec 2012 #22
Berserker Dec 2012 #32
DURHAM D Dec 2012 #37
lalalu Dec 2012 #47
Comrade Grumpy Dec 2012 #49
DURHAM D Dec 2012 #52
Logical Dec 2012 #26
lalalu Dec 2012 #35
Logical Dec 2012 #54
bluestateguy Dec 2012 #29
lalalu Dec 2012 #45
lapfog_1 Dec 2012 #33
lalalu Dec 2012 #41
lapfog_1 Dec 2012 #57
oldhippie Dec 2012 #58
aquart Dec 2012 #34
Democracyinkind Dec 2012 #39
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #40
lalalu Dec 2012 #42
Chorophyll Dec 2012 #55
uppityperson Dec 2012 #48
one_voice Dec 2012 #50
DURHAM D Dec 2012 #53
old guy Dec 2012 #62
neverforget Dec 2012 #64
wryter2000 Dec 2012 #69
countryjake Dec 2012 #70
Motown_Johnny Dec 2012 #51
Harmony Blue Dec 2012 #67
hatrack Dec 2012 #59
KamaAina Dec 2012 #63
NRaleighLiberal Dec 2012 #65
cbayer Dec 2012 #66
Le Taz Hot Dec 2012 #68

Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:17 PM

1. Go. Away.

Sorry - No stomach for your lame NRA-like stuff just now.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:21 PM

7. I see nothing about the OP that sunds like NRA stuff.

There was no claim made about justifying gun-nuttery, just a comment that the insanity is not new, but is growing.

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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:27 PM

14. Thank You

 

I am hoping people would start discussing what else is going on that is making these massacres more frequent.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:44 PM

36. There was another school attack in China today also

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/

I do think we need to ask WHY.

Because the thing that's utterly freaking me out about this is that the perp was the father of one of the kids in the class. Are we going to frisk every parent who goes to a school concert or play? How do you defend against something like this?

Gun control sounds okay at first glance, but changing the law won't take guns off the streets, nor can it protect school children against this type of a will to destroy your own child and the children of others. Little kids are so utterly defenseless.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:38 PM

71. I concur absolutely. Americans have always been heavily armed

whether you like it or not.

I went to a 1-room country grade school, and I would bet that every kid in that school came from a home in which there were multiple firearms. I would further bet that every kid, of both sexes, and including the first-graders, had had some training with those guns. When we visited each other, we would often look at and handle our parents' guns, with their easily-obtained permission. Guns were viewed as dangerous tools, like axes, and we were taught to respect them and use them correctly. Nobody was afraid that one of us would bring a gun to school and start shooting.

I am not arguing that that world of 60+ years ago was anything like today's world, and I am not addressing what society should do about guns in the present. I'm pointing out that access to firearms is not commensurate with wanting to use them on other people, or to the level of violence in society. The world was different then, and people didn't resort to guns. I can recall one (double-) murder in the county in all my years of growing up. That happened when a guy who had been brutally abused by his parents in childhood came home AWOL from the Army and murdered both parents with a deer rifle.

Everyone was really freaked out by this incident, and it was talked about for years. Yet I do not recall anyone panicking over the access we kids had to guns.

In modern times, maybe we do need to limit firearms, and I become less resistant to the idea as time goes on.

However, gun control will not solve this problem. It won't even dent t. The problem will only be solved when we stop inculcating a culture of violence into ourselves and our children.


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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #7)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:27 PM

16. if you understand historical context

 

humanity has been quite savage toward children for many, many years.

it's a horrible thing to happen. especially with innocent children.

thanks for interjection of balance.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:23 PM

9. Get a grip

 

I don't belong to the NRA and I personally do not own any firearms. It is my choice. I also know people who own guns and it is their choice. We need to look at issues beyond just the weapon used because disturbed people will always find a weapon.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:38 PM

28. And yet you claim you're not spewing NRA bullshit...

You gave yourself away right there...disgusting.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:18 PM

2. Insensitive, ill-timed, and ignorant thing to post right now. n/t

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #2)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:25 PM

12. Yes, let's just pretend the issue is guns only

 

and not the mentality behind the weapon.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:26 PM

13. What is it about life that detests you so?

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:28 PM

17. I have no idea what you are even talking about.

 

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Response to lalalu (Reply #17)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:29 PM

18. Of course you don't - and clearly never will.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #18)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:34 PM

23. I hope I never will understand such an inane post.

 

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #13)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:34 PM

24. ^^ That made no sense whatsoever. ^^ nt

 

nt

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:18 PM

3. "Kehoe had been angry about property taxes used to fund the school"

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:25 PM

11. Extremist ideology which has grown in this country is the problem

 

but people continue to ignore that fact.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:45 PM

38. Not every mass shooting is the result of ideology.

You found one. It's the extremist ideology of the NRA and it's enablers that must be dealt with right now.

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:47 PM

43. Probably a patron saint of the teabaggers...

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:20 PM

5. Fuck off, asshole. nt

 

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:24 PM

10. Your post is an example of the extremism

 

and closed mindedness fueling violence.

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Response to Comrade_McKenzie (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:37 PM

27. The hysteria, it is strong in some.

 

So many people let their emotions overcome their brains. No different than the shooters.

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Response to oldhippie (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:48 PM

44. That's pretty fucking low.

People who are pissed off about repeated mass gun murders are "no different than the shooters"?

Maybe you should delete your stupid, thoughtless, and insulting post.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:01 PM

56. maybe you should delete your 'fuck off'

since that is sooooo wonderful.

sP

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #44)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:12 PM

60. Yes, it was ...

 

So do you think being pissed off lets you do anything you want without consequences? Being pissed off excuses you from civility? Really?

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:20 PM

6. Your posts are so unclever. You fool noone and BTW

FUCK THE MOTHERFUCKING NRA AND THE SECOND AMENDMENT.

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Response to Care Acutely (Reply #6)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:30 PM

20. And while we're at it...

Fuck the First Amendment (you said something I don't like, so you can't say it anymore)! Fuck the Fourth Amendment (Eh, strip searches for your weed are always a good idea)! Fuck the Fifth (If you're silent, you must be guilty), 14th (black people need to go back to the plantation), 19th (women belong in the kitchen, not the polling booth)...

You can't pick and choose. They're all there for a reason. Don't like it? Get it removed. Good luck with that, though...

Don't get me wrong. The NRA is a bunch of fucking assholes. That doesn't change the second amendment, though.

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:40 PM

31. Load of shit right there newbie...the second amendment is a relic of

colonila times...just like the third...the housing of soldiers...they were grouped together for a reason.

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:17 PM

61. The constitution is not an infallible document from GAWD sweetcheecks.

The "right" to own slaves existed when it was written, too. That was also wrong. The 2nd amendment makes NO SENSE in a modern era. Fuck the second amendment.

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Response to bobclark86 (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 06:40 PM

72. Why are you posting this crap today of all days.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:22 PM

8. BS

This is like claiming that because there was once a horrible, awful storm in 1865 there is no climate change.

No one's buying it any longer.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:32 PM

21. Wrong. The evidence for climate change is the

 

increasing frequency and strength of storms. People who disagree with climate change say it is just the earth going through normal changes and have a simplistic view. People who believe in climate change know that we need to trace the underlying causes for the obviously increased and dramatic changes.

Saying it is just the gun causing these massacres is simplistic. There is more to it than the weapon used. There are underlying causes for the increased frequency of such massacres in this country and we need to look at them.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #21)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:36 PM

25. This is the last thing I'm going to say

Because if there's anything the evidence has shown is that people who defend the reckless availability of machines for mass murder have thousands of specious arguments to debate what ought to be common sense.

We can't eliminate crazy, disgruntled, and murderous people. We can do something to keep mass killing machines out of their hands.

And any gun lover with a modicum of taste would shut the hell up for one day.

Good bye

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #25)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:39 PM

30. So now i am a gun lover?

 

Seriously, I don't even own a gun. This just shows how narrow minded this country has become and the refusal to look outside the little box of ideology people choose.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #30)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:50 PM

46. Yes, we are becoming increasingly narrow-minded about repeated mass gun murders.

Sorry if that bothers you. A bunch of dead kids bothers me.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:27 PM

15. We know there are other methods of killing people. But

right now, we need to address our gun problem, which is out of control. Thanks for your post.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:29 PM

19. Why don't you do the decent thing

and delete this post?

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #19)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:33 PM

22. Why don't you pull your head out of the sand and

 

open your mind to look beyond simplistic reasons for growing violence in America.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:44 PM

37. I own weapons

but this is not the time for these insensitive OPs.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #37)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:50 PM

47. Insensitive?

 

Looking beyond easy answers to a growing problem of violent massacres is insensitive? It is not just guns behind the growing violence in America and we need to address those issues.

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Response to Berserker (Reply #32)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:52 PM

49. I alerted on your obnoxious, insulting, over-the-top post.

At least your avatar is appropriate.

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Response to Comrade Grumpy (Reply #49)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:56 PM

52. I see that his favorite group is the Gungeon so no surprise.

Perhaps Skinner will deal with this as he has done with the OP.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:37 PM

26. Someone alerted this post and lost badly....

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Response to Logical (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:43 PM

35. Thanks for posting this and I am sorry it even went to that level.

 

It was to start a discussion about a very serious and sad growing problem in America. This is upsetting and I am not sure what the answer is but we need to do some searching about what is going on.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #35)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:00 PM

54. Your post was fine, that is a famous incident. Worth discussion.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:38 PM

29. That guy was an anti-tax fanatic

And he used bombs to do most of his killing.

Not sure what your point is.

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Response to bluestateguy (Reply #29)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:49 PM

45. We need to move beyond the argument that the problem is guns only.

 

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:42 PM

33. wrong.

If you allow the premise that summer camp is the equivalent of school, then the 80 people (mostly children) killed at the camp in Norway by a gunman is the worst "school" shooting / killing. (not including the 7 he killed by explosion in Oslo).

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #33)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:46 PM

41. I was referring to the United States.

 

Let's be honest in that what happened in Norway was more an anomaly. In America this is happening at a growing frequency.

The thing is we are that point where it only makes the news when there is a massacre. Yet there are growing instances of violence against children everyday and in many forms. The United States has one of the worst rates of murder and violence against children in the world.

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Response to lalalu (Reply #41)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:02 PM

57. He acquired his guns from..... online gun stores in the United States. - n/t

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #57)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:10 PM

58. Please describe how he could do that? I'm really curious ...

 

Have a link?

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:43 PM

34. Again. A MAN mass murders.

We have leash laws for dogs but what is stopping the men? Here, have a gun and kill as many people as you'd like. Kill as many women's children as you like.

Take guns away from men.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:45 PM

39. Thank you so much.

Before your OP, NOBODY on DU would ever have fathomed that killing children with explosives is even possible. Very important and timely to bring that up...

????????????????????

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:46 PM

40. Oh, and that makes it all okay, does it?

We have mass shootings every week now. Your gun-clutching "argument" is invalid.

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Response to Chorophyll (Reply #40)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:47 PM

42. You missed it completely.

 

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Response to lalalu (Reply #42)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:00 PM

55. I missed nothing, pal.

Not a thing.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:54 PM

50. +100000000

Thanks Skinner!

I don't usually do that, but for this one I will.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:58 PM

53. Yes, thank you.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:25 PM

62. Yes. Thanks Skinner!

My ignore list is way too long as it is.

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:28 PM

64. I want to spike a football for that tombstone! THANK YOU SKINNER!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK YEAH!!!!

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:18 PM

69. Add my voice

Thank you!

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Response to uppityperson (Reply #48)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 04:36 PM

70. Yes! Bravo Skinner!

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 01:56 PM

51. and when we get 20 of those a year we will equate it with mass shootings

until then your point is meaningless

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Response to Motown_Johnny (Reply #51)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:03 PM

67. +1

That sums up my position.

Placing of explosions and making them takes a lot of time and planning.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:12 PM

59. Our massacre du jour was not accomplished with explosives, nor the killings in Portland this week,

The mass murderer at Virginia Tech did not use explosives to kill his victims, and neither did the killer during the Oikos University attack in Oakland back in April of this year.

Klebold and Harris did use explosives during the Columbine massacre, but their victims, fatalities and wounded alike, were shot, not blown up.

Moving beyond schools to other mass murders in public spaces, 12 died and 58 were wounded earlier this year in Aurora by firearms, not explosives, though the tear gas grenades Holmes used could technically be called explosives, or at least pyrotechnics.

Similarly, the Seal Beach Massacre (eight dead) 12 October 2011, the Cupertino Quarry shooting (five dead) 5 October 2011, the Tucson shooting of Gabi Giffords and her constituents (six dead) 8 January 2011, the Northern Illinois University shooting (six dead) 14 February 2008, the Westroads Mall Shooting in Omaha (nine dead) 5 December 2007, the Cafe Racer shootings in Seattle (six dead) 30 May 2012 and the Sikh Temple shooting in Oak Creek, Wisconsin (six dead) 5 August 2012 were all mass murders in which guns rather than explosives were the weapon of choice for the perpetrators.

So what the FUCK is your FUCKING POINT?

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:27 PM

63. But remember, explosives don't kill people....

If only the teachers had had TNT...

Aw, screw it.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 02:50 PM

65. Thank you, Skinner!

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #65)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:02 PM

66. And not a moment too soon.

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Response to lalalu (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 03:06 PM

68. My first and last post to you.

You are REPREHENSIBLE!

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