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Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:02 PM

Raise your hand if you think Obama urged Rice to step aside

...cuz I just want to see how much "WRONG" there can be in one place.

She was his choice, and they were ready to go to war for her.

They did NOT want to wind up in a situation that would create an open Senate seat in Massachusetts.

They did NOT want to give McCain any kind of a victory.

And finally, her stepping aside leaves open the argument that something was, in fact, shady about what happened in and after Benghazi. The administration absolutely does not want that at all.

So yeah, no.

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Reply Raise your hand if you think Obama urged Rice to step aside (Original post)
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 OP
msongs Dec 2012 #1
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #2
Enrique Dec 2012 #3
backscatter712 Dec 2012 #13
H2O Man Dec 2012 #4
ProSense Dec 2012 #5
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #6
11 Bravo Dec 2012 #17
Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #7
bunnies Dec 2012 #8
joeybee12 Dec 2012 #9
lunatica Dec 2012 #10
GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #11
zipplewrath Dec 2012 #12
Arctic Dave Dec 2012 #14
warrprayer Dec 2012 #15
JoePhilly Dec 2012 #16
LiberalAndProud Dec 2012 #18
lightcameron Dec 2012 #19
WooWooWoo Dec 2012 #20
NCTraveler Dec 2012 #31
bigtree Dec 2012 #21
dmosh42 Dec 2012 #22
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #23
AlexSatan Dec 2012 #24
fadedrose Dec 2012 #25
still_one Dec 2012 #26
WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #27
still_one Dec 2012 #28
rock Dec 2012 #29
arthritisR_US Dec 2012 #30
Proud Liberal Dem Dec 2012 #32
2naSalit Dec 2012 #33

Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:04 PM

1. how bout choosing a liberal/progressive democrat for the job. does obama know any besides

john kerry, a sitting senator who would give up a valuable seat to accept?

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:04 PM

2. Different question

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:05 PM

3. raising my hand

and agreeing with Obama's decision.

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Response to Enrique (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:58 PM

13. Sometimes, you've got to pick your battles.

It sucks, but sometimes, you've got to make a hard decision.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:08 PM

4. Yes.

Recommended.

I had just logged on to pose a similar question.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:13 PM

5. You know what would help:

If people stopped smearing everyone under consideration by the President. Every name mentioned launches a witchhunt.

Ray McGovern: Say No to Susan Rice: Here's Why
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021928492

Donít jump to conclusions about Susan Rice
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2012/12/13/dont-jump-to-conclusions-about-susan-rice/

I fully expect everyone to begin smearing Kerry...again.

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Response to ProSense (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:14 PM

6. Kerry will get clobbered here

but if nominated, he will sail through.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #6)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:12 PM

17. And Kerry will get clobbered by some of the same smegma smears who have been ...

touting him as a good choice! The word "hypocrisy" truly has become a synonym for "Republican".

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:21 PM

7. It was the right thing to do.

Rice is not so wonderful that she was worth the distraction and the huge expenditure of political capital.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:24 PM

8. No way.

Never even crossed my mind.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:27 PM

9. I don't think so, but I don't think they necessarily came to

her defense recently or strongly...they saw which way the wind was blowing and Rice knew she didn't have the support.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:30 PM

10. Do you mean is politics involved?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:30 PM

11. I missed the nomination.

When did that occur?

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 05:45 PM

12. One hand up

I presume she was asked. To some extent, regardless of the exact order, if they wanted her they probably could have persuaded her. The end result, regardless of order, is that she's out.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:01 PM

14. When has Obama stood up for any of his appointees?

 

This administration is a top up loyalty only.


Everyone else gets cut from the raft as soon as any repug has a tissy.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:02 PM

15. "keeping his powder dry"

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:05 PM

16. Obama hates rice!!!!

News at 11.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:20 PM

18. I find myself disagreeing with you again, William.

Having Rice withdraw from consideration eliminates an unnecessary distraction. What will Graham and McCain have to bellyache about now? Truth be told, the greater majority of the electorate really could not care less who is named SoS. This ends the news cycle on this kerfuffle, and that's a net gain.

(hand raised)

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:55 PM

19. Of course he did.

A confirmation hearing would only have highlighted the Benghazi issue more than it already is/will be. And, as you put it: The administration absolutely does not want that at all.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Thu Dec 13, 2012, 06:57 PM

20. Tom Brady for SOS

just get him out of the AFC East so the Jets can finally get to the Superbowl.

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Response to WooWooWoo (Reply #20)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:09 PM

31. Put in Tebow and you will get there. Brady or not.

That should be just enough to start a flame war.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:04 AM

21. I dunno

I think he wanted someone with more recognized gravitas. We'll see who he ends up choosing, but Rice was no Clinton, as far as our allies would be concerned. The value of having the wife of a former U.S. president lobby nations around the world cannot be overstated. I think choices like John Kerry would provide someone who is recognizable on the international circuit, trusted, and with noticeable influence. I'm not sure Rice provided that.

I do think the president signaled that he wanted someone else and gave Rice the opportunity to withdraw, rather than have it appear he passed her up. Standard stuff. I don't see why holding that opinion should be some untoward thing worthy of derision or ridicule. It could be that Mass. and the president have worked out a way to keep Kerry's seat or have reassured the president about the risk of the open seat challenged by the republicans.

Also, McCain is a nobody. He had almost no influence in the last election and he's mostly a sad joke in the Senate that Democrats riff off of. What currency is a McCain 'victory?'

And, yes, he could have won with Rice.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 08:08 AM

22. I think maybe Obama has been waiting for the right replacement to run in Mass.

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Response to dmosh42 (Reply #22)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 09:35 AM

23. Not going to happen unless it has to

i.e. until Kerry is officially nominated.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:11 AM

24. I don't think so NT

 

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:30 AM

25. Ah, Benghazi . . .

The deaths occurred there at an embassy, the official State Dept. headquarters of the US ambassador. I kept listening for State's explanations from the day the very sad news came on, and personally thought it was part of the embassy demonstrations across the mid-east map, but nothing came from State except a statement of regret about the deaths.

I understand that Mrs. Clinton will testify (finally) next week. I wonder why Rice was asked about it to begin with on Meet the Press.

It seems that shady describes the entire affair very accurately.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:32 AM

26. well, a lot of the talking heads believe he did not want the fight /nt

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Response to still_one (Reply #26)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:39 AM

27. A lot of talking heads thought there were WMD in Iraq in 2003

and thought Romney was a shoo-in in 2012.

So.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Reply #27)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 11:44 AM

28. Good point. They have also been saying the last week we would not go over the fiscal cliff. We're

going over I think

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:04 PM

29. Keeping hand down

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:08 PM

30. If he did, he has a right to as your President. In no way would I fault him if he did!

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:16 PM

32. I don't think that President Obama urged her out

I think that this was her decision alone. President Obama was very openly supportive of her when the Republicans started up their shenanigans but I think, in the end, she decided that she didn't want to force the WH into a long, drawn out battle that would unnecessarily distract everybody from other more important things. In short, she was thinking of the big picture- the country- instead of herself, like most of the people on our team. I don't know what the Republicans' goals were in trying to defeat Rice for the position but I hope that it rings like a hollow victory to them.

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Response to WilliamPitt (Original post)

Fri Dec 14, 2012, 12:27 PM

33. I don't think he did either...

I suspect that they discussed it and I wonder if he really was planning on nominating her. There was a lot of hoopla from talkingheadville but he never said, one way or the other, what he was thinking. I think she was given the Sunday talk show rounds to keep the eye off of a lot of details while the CIA head was being neatly removed from all considerations via a pile of fodder in the form of a tawdry "affair". He got off easy.

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